10 sec s4

[Das General]

There is already an S4 avant in the 9's.

[jstdoit1112]

working on building a 2.7 /// stroked to 3.0 and big turbos /// I ll be happy if i hit 550awhp

[Chknkatsu]

I don't know who the second person is in the 10's...who is it?




hhhmmm you are making me do some thinking and research!!!

no I'm not saying there's a 2nd person in the 10s yet, but there should be a few builds ready soon, one of them is bound to do 10's

[t1demont1]

working on building a 2.7 /// stroked to 3.0 and big turbos /// I ll be happy if i hit 550awhp

your doing a 3.0 stroker? i heard you got an s4

[blackbenzz]

There is already an S4 avant in the 9's.

Not in the US

[mike-2ptzero]

I wanna see someone do a built motor, twin GT40r's with small hot side for quick spool, hit it with a 100 shot to spool off the line then cut it, put in a fully built auto trans, leave it awd of course, full weight, stand alone ecu, run C16 or Q16 30psi. A S4 properly setup like that should be 9's for sure.

Twin 40's is a bit big for a even 3.0 liter. Twin 3071r's with 2.75" inlets and a shot of nitrous the 300z's are running into the 9's at over 150 mph.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...rue_201565.htm

[Das General]

Not in the US

That we know of. But I don't think anyone has done it stateside, yet.

It won't take twin 40's either.

[mike-2ptzero]

That we know of. But I don't think anyone has done it stateside, yet.

It won't take twin 40's either.

I should only take a single GT40 or BW S366>, be it on a built S4 or A4.

[JMTx86]

I notice with S4's to get into 10's is a real challenge and takes a ass ton of money to do so. And to keep it in the 10's is another entire challenge alone from just doing it once or twice. Your heads just don't flow very well. And a GT28 setup is hardly anything compared to 1 turbo most drag honda's run for that matter. GT28's are small period. They are slightly larger than my stock twins that came off my supra years ago. And i can't imagine trying to utilize them turbos to go 10's when they max flow out under 600rwhp.

I wouldn't say your weight is a disadvantage as much as your drive train's and limited turbo sizes are. Also i don't hear many of you using stand alone ecu's? Just basically it's a real challenge. And the guys who have done it i give alot of respect to. You all def. don't lack in the tq side though. Just let time develop more parts and you all will get more car's there im sure.

My supra at 530whp on low boost (23pis) T67 single turbo, bone stock motor, stand alone ecu, built auto trans. Full weight weighing in at 3450 with me in it ran a 10.30. But that is easy with our cars we have tons of room for massive turbo's, fuel systems and standalone computers all over ready to go. And being RWD is the best drive train setup to run drag period.

I wanna see someone do a built motor, twin GT40r's with small hot side for quick spool, hit it with a 100 shot to spool off the line then cut it, put in a fully built auto trans, leave it awd of course, full weight, stand alone ecu, run C16 or Q16 30psi. A S4 properly setup like that should be 9's for sure.

shhhh, don't say that Gen will be in here telling us how gt cars are so great *sigh*


twin gt40's? ummmm, no. Twin gt30s would be more then good, and with a 3L to spool them (still some what slowly) Id say 10sec is very possible full weight.

[mike-2ptzero]

shhhh, don't say that Gen will be in here telling us how gt cars are so great *sigh*


twin gt40's? ummmm, no. Twin gt30s would be more then good, and with a 3L to spool them (still some what slowly) Id say 10sec is very possible full weight.

Getting into the 10's with just twin 2871r's is possible, it just takes a driver to do it and no nitrous needed.

[KevinZtwin]

Wow. I sorta lost most of my respect for the infamous S4 in this thread. I thought they could actually be made to be fast. I have a twin turbo 300ZX (essentially the exact engine layout of the B5 S4, but 3.0L instead of 2.7L)...both a bitch to work on with no room...pretty much pulling the engine for everything. Charles Park of Powertrix ran a 10.95 @ 125.01mph at Fontana California Speedway in a STOCK engine, STOCK turbo Z. BTW weight of these cars is around 3700lbs in stock trim.

I hope the S4 can at least hold its ground in AutoX and road racing, because otherwise it really has nothing going for it, looks are subpar.

[JaredVL]

Wow. I sorta lost most of my respect for the infamous S4 in this thread. I thought they could actually be made to be fast. I have a twin turbo 300ZX (essentially the exact engine layout of the B5 S4, but 3.0L instead of 2.7L)...both a bitch to work on with no room...pretty much pulling the engine for everything. Charles Park of Powertrix ran a 10.95 @ 125.01mph at Fontana California Speedway in a STOCK engine, STOCK turbo Z. BTW weight of these cars is around 3700lbs in stock trim.

I hope the S4 can at least hold its ground in AutoX and road racing, because otherwise it really has nothing going for it, looks are subpar.

stfu

try creating your own aftermarket support, its a little harder than when you can just dial up the local asian tuner of the minute and have 50 options that are all dirt cheap

[changs4]

[QUOTE=GT2FAST;3116956]I heard that they're only 2 s4's in the whole country running 10's this has got to be bullshitttttt!!![/QUOTE

who cares...those 10's cars are not everyday driveable.

[Dr.Duct]

Myyyyyyyyy turnnnnnnnnn lol

first of all, Like Jared said, its not to to uncommon, but the reliability of a drag car to hot lap 10's is the uncommon part..

Jrock, I lubs you dawg, but your so so wrong in everything you said. twin 40r's??? spooling a GT28 on a 1.35L so to say?? not really that small for it. Doing a built 3.0L will give you a Liter and a half to spool a 40r.. Lol get real. Honda's have tons of lag on a 40r, with a bigger motor (given they are spooling 1 not 2.) Not only that, but they rev high which gives them more time in boost, and better ability for high high trapspeeds. Also, Look how unreliable most of them are.. Look at how many of our friends with these setups break multiple times a year. We dont have the amount of resources in parts either. Their isnt really a standalone for our car's either. A supra is a glorified drag car.. Its got a very beefy crank, a good size motor, and a long wheelbase, Its an inline so you dont have 9ft of manifold running through the engine bay, and their is a shit ton more space in your engine bay.. Running a single turbo in our with alot of manifolds also creates alot of heat in the engine bay.. Their reall is no comparisson. Like weve argued many time's.. They are good for going straight, and dyno's.. That pretty much the extent of it.


Here is my biggest thing..

Our car's have weak trans, Weak rear ends, and decent (but not rock solid) axles. A twin GT28 car would run hard with a built motor on race gas, BUT the drive train isnt going to hold very many hard launches out of the hole.

My ideal setup for the drag strip would be rs6's, Built 3.0L, gutted, Stasis close ratio trans, and some custom made mounts for the rear diff (crossmember). Axles, driveshafts and everything would have to be on standby. All the ran with a 100 shot of nitrous and tuned properly for c16. To me that would be the ultimate drag vehicle.



As for the polish car.. Ive never once seen it run on an actual drag strip that showed a time. Just me though. If someone has a video of this and can post it then I would be a believe, but until then.. I would only refferance car's in the state's.

[mike-2ptzero]

who cares...those 10's cars are not everyday driveable.

You are kidding right? David's S4 that did run 10.8 was his daily driver and it ran that time on some weak all season tires that Eurotuner forced them to run.

Pretty sure Marc's car was even driven all the time even though it was fully gutted.

As for the polish car.. Ive never once seen it run on an actual drag strip that showed a time. Just me though. If someone has a video of this and can post it then I would be a believe, but until then.. I would only refferance car's in the state's.

You wont ever see it run on an actual drag strip because they dont use them where he is at. They usually run at air strips and setup their own timing systems.

This is the only video of his showing a 9.9 http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A...le-in_3212.htm

[KevinZtwin]

stfu

try creating your own aftermarket support, its a little harder than when you can just dial up the local asian tuner of the minute and have 50 options that are all dirt cheap

haha, you think the 300ZX has a lot of aftermarket support? Do your research next time. Audi's and S4's have assloads of aftermarket stuff compared to the 300ZX. There are so many places to go for audi I can't even begin to keep up. The 300ZX has like 5 places unless you start searching out the "underground" tuners. As far as aftermarket parts and support...Z1, Concept Z Performance, Specialty Z, Powertrix, and AMS are really the only places to get stuff. (and AMS is in Canada). BTW, a car that is 19 years old has a much harder time getting aftermarket support and just regular replacement parts.

Either way, S4 is a great, quick little car. My buddy has one with 450hp and its quick. But I just thought more of it.

[Das General]

haha, you think the 300ZX has a lot of aftermarket support? Do your research next time. Audi's and S4's have assloads of aftermarket stuff compared to the 300ZX. There are so many places to go for audi I can't even begin to keep up. The 300ZX has like 5 places unless you start searching out the "underground" tuners. As far as aftermarket parts and support...Z1, Concept Z Performance, Specialty Z, Powertrix, and AMS are really the only places to get stuff. (and AMS is in Canada). BTW, a car that is 19 years old has a much harder time getting aftermarket support and just regular replacement parts.

Either way, S4 is a great, quick little car. My buddy has one with 450hp and its quick. But I just thought more of it.

Jared is going to own you in about 5, 4, 3 , 2, 1...

[blackbenzz]

It can be done as stated before. There are S4's in the tens.

Question: Why doesn't anyone try building an auto? No boost lost during shifts and great launches. Just a thought.

If you want to see a lack of an aftermarket look no further than benzes. And be prepared to get r4ped if you do find something decent. I snap axles like twigs without even spraying and am trying to get them custom built. It has been a long and expensive road for me but I love it for what it is. I am not delusional in thinking I can make my CLK faster than a vette with the same amount of money in it. I could be driving a lowww 9s or high 8s vette for what I have in my CLK but at the end of the day my car is exactly what I want it to be (within reason).

People that are building S4's should look at what their ultimate goal is and not judge their cars against other cars unless thats what you are building it for. If all you want is a 10s car there are much easier ways to get there. Unless you go the 10SecS4 route LOL At which point your car is no longer an S4 but a tin can on wheels

[Dr.Duct]

It can be done as stated before. There are S4's in the tens.

Question: Why doesn't anyone try building an auto? No boost lost during shifts and great launches. Just a thought.

If you want to see a lack of an aftermarket look no further than benzes. And be prepared to get r4ped if you do find something decent. I snap axles like twigs without even spraying and am trying to get them custom built. It has been a long and expensive road for me but I love it for what it is. I am not delusional in thinking I can make my CLK faster than a vette with the same amount of money in it. I could be driving a lowww 9s or high 8s vette for what I have in my CLK but at the end of the day my car is exactly what I want it to be (within reason).

People that are building S4's should look at what their ultimate goal is and not judge their cars against other cars unless thats what you are building it for. If all you want is a 10s car there are much easier ways to get there. Unless you go the 10SecS4 route LOL At which point your car is no longer an S4 but a tin can on wheels

So many people pee on the idea of nitrous, but you can take a car from 11.4, to 10.9 pretty easily and Daily drivable with it..Its no more of a cheater mod then a turbo.. Anyone can slap a turbo on a car and go faster, but to tune it, make it reliable, and reliably faster is what makes it awesome.. same with nitrous.

[mike-2ptzero]

It can be done as stated before. There are S4's in the tens.

Question: Why doesn't anyone try building an auto? No boost lost during shifts and great launches. Just a thought.

You do know that a manual can be shifted without going into vacuum, turbo to slow down much and this can be done without flat shifting?

[blackbenzz]

You do know that a manual can be shifted without going into vacuum, turbo to slow down much and this can be done without flat shifting?

So a manual can hold the same boost between shifts as an auto? I did not know that. Auto is more consistent shifting and easier to launch too. You do know it was just a question right?

[generationjdm]

shhhh, don't say that Gen will be in here telling us how gt cars are so great *sigh*


twin gt40's? ummmm, no. Twin gt30s would be more then good, and with a 3L to spool them (still some what slowly) Id say 10sec is very possible full weight.

just stick to the k03ss and a 300 shot im sure you will find your way to 10ss with them

[generationjdm]

If anyone spends anytime here they can clearly see why theres not many 10 sec cars, it's painfully clear why.

(1) I was told these turbos will make 700+hp because they have a 60lb comp wheel

(2) I was told the stock manis are the best

(3) I was told I could run 35lbs of boost

(4) I was told these 440cc injectors were good for 700hp

(5) I was told that the RS4 fuel pump was good to 1000hp

(6) I was told by this guy who knows another guys cousin that running the RS4 fuel filter was the key..

(7) I was told by a supra guy that if I did this because it work on my much larger motor that was the key

Heres why we haven't seen many in the 10ss, it's so clear why. Jared did something out of the box he figured out how to run a proper nitrous system on his car, 10 sec Marc figured lightening the car to go 10ss, asp figured making power on gtss. They all have 1 thing in common, "they didn't do what everyone else did,said,herd etc" They were all different and study the car and used a search button more then likely outside of AZ. Theres also no cheap JUNKYARD way to see 10ss I'm sorry but theres not

[mike-2ptzero]

So a manual can hold the same boost between shifts as an auto? I did not know that. Auto is more consistent shifting and easier to launch too. You do know it was just a question right?

Yes an Auto is more consistant, but then a 6 year old could drive it and everyone knows it doesn't exactly take much skill to press the gas pedal and allow an automatic transmission to do all the work.


As for easier I would have to disagree with that when talking about a turbo car with very little displacement, now maybe if it is using a trans brake to allow the turbo to spool up and be under high load before launching. Pretty sure thats not even possible with a S4 transmission and line locks cant be used with ABS.

[revhards4]

If anyone spends anytime here they can clearly see why theres not many 10 sec cars, it's painfully clear why.

(1) I was told these turbos will make 700+hp because they have a 60lb comp wheel

(2) I was told the stock manis are the best

(3) I was told I could run 35lbs of boost

(4) I was told these 440cc injectors were good for 700hp

(5) I was told that the RS4 fuel pump was good to 1000hp

(6) I was told by this guy who knows another guys cousin that running the RS4 fuel filter was the key..

(7) I was told by a supra guy that if I did this because it work on my much larger motor that was the key

OH SNAP!!!

[slowslvrs4]

yeah if you want an easy way to get into the tens on a k04 car just route a fogger system on your manifold do a 120 shot if you run 11.5s now you will be in the tens with the right suspension and tires.

[obviouspro]

yeah if you want an easy way to get into the tens on a k04 car just route a fogger system on your manifold do a 120 shot if you run 11.5s now you will be in the tens with the right suspension and tires.

On a stock motor? I am not a nitrous guru by any means but I feel like anything over a 75 shot on a stage 3 on stock motor would snap some rods from the immense torque increase. Comments?

[RenegadeEngr]

If anyone spends anytime here they can clearly see why theres not many 10 sec cars, it's painfully clear why.

(1) I was told these turbos will make 700+hp because they have a 60lb comp wheel

(2) I was told the stock manis are the best

(3) I was told I could run 35lbs of boost

(4) I was told these 440cc injectors were good for 700hp

(5) I was told that the RS4 fuel pump was good to 1000hp

(6) I was told by this guy who knows another guys cousin that running the RS4 fuel filter was the key..

(7) I was told by a supra guy that if I did this because it work on my much larger motor that was the key

Heres why we haven't seen many in the 10ss, it's so clear why. Jared did something out of the box he figured out how to run a proper nitrous system on his car, 10 sec Marc figured lightening the car to go 10ss, asp figured making power on gtss. They all have 1 thing in common, "they didn't do what everyone else did,said,herd etc" They were all different and study the car and used a search button more then likely outside of AZ. Theres also no cheap JUNKYARD way to see 10ss I'm sorry but theres not

You are totally my favorite AZ'er Well put....

and to the 300ZX guy, turbo lag, rear wheel drive, and twin turbo - instead of biturbo steered me away. Great looking car still but for current market value and the turbo lag it's not an appealing deal.

[obviouspro]

You are totally my favorite AZ'er Well put....

and to the 300ZX guy, turbo lag, rear wheel drive, and twin turbo - instead of biturbo steered me away. Great looking car still but for current market value and the turbo lag it's not an appealing deal.

Twin turbo is the same as biturbo. You may be thinking of sequential which I am almost positive 300zx's do not have.

[mike-2ptzero]

Twin turbo is the same as biturbo. You may be thinking of sequential which I am almost positive 300zx's do not have.

Correct. But hey maybe he just likes Bi's better then twins.


It is the supra that was sequential stock.

[S obsessed]

I would say another reason that there aren't a whole lot of cars in the tens is that no one really buys this car to drag race. It is not an ideal setup for that although withsome work it will do it. If people bought these to make drag cars out of like camaros and mustangs and what not then you would see much more of them along with aftermarket support for it. Another reason is that it takes alot of skill to take a car down the track with a manual transmission and run 10's. Not everyone that has a gt car with 800 horsepower can go to the track and drun 10's without lots of practice. Constantly beating on this car with that much power is going to cause problems. It would be better to start with a K04 car than go practice then go to a larger setup if that is what your goals are. My point is it takes more than power to get into the 10's.

[Das General]

On top of that... there were less than 14,000 made. And I'd guess half of them are totaled and/or stolen!

[GunSupplier]

Yes an Auto is more consistant, but then a 6 year old could drive it and everyone knows it doesn't exactly take much skill to press the gas pedal and allow an automatic transmission to do all the work.

Uhh, since when is a car being easy to drive a negative aspect? By that logic, every automotive reviewer and enthusiast should hate the BMW M3 because it's just "too easy" to drive it fast around corners.

Sure, on the street it's more fun to shift yourself, but for consistency I don't see any problem whatsoever with an automatic transmission.

[mike-2ptzero]

Uhh, since when is a car being easy to drive a negative aspect? By that logic, every automotive reviewer and enthusiast should hate the BMW M3 because it's just "too easy" to drive it fast around corners.

Sure, on the street it's more fun to shift yourself, but for consistency I don't see any problem whatsoever with an automatic transmission.

There is consistency with skill, then there is just straight out boring and being lazy. Sorry but watching a 10 second automatic race is like watching paint dry, but I am sure it would be the same in the driver seat.

Now bracket racing a 10 second manual turbo awd car does take some skill.

[slowslvrs4]

On a stock motor? I am not a nitrous guru by any means but I feel like anything over a 75 shot on a stage 3 on stock motor would snap some rods from the immense torque increase. Comments?

A 120 shot fogger is safer then as standard 75 shot and if you have the no2 come on late in the rpm band the tq wont bend a rod

[Das General]

There is consistency with skill, then there is just straight out boring and being lazy. Sorry but watching a 10 second automatic race is like watching paint dry, but I am sure it would be the same in the driver seat.

Now bracket racing a 10 second manual turbo awd car does take some skill.

I would have to agree. Something about watching 8 second Supras doesn't excite me. I respect them for the build, and I understand the transmission selection. But I do think it is quite boring.

[GT2FAST]

I agree man manual all the way. Unless you runninig a 7 or 6 sec car then you may need to switch but straight manual till then.

[2ndEngineS4]

Constantly beating on this car with that much power is going to cause problems. . . My point is it takes more than power to get into the 10's.

This is quite possibly the most important statement in the thread and the real reason that there aren't very many cars in the 10's. Most people have:

A. Not enough money to build and maintain a capable car.

B. No desire to spend the money (or the time) to build a capable car.

C. Not enough skills to get the car down the track in under 11 seconds.

D. No patience/nerve/commitment to continue to abuse their car after a few major track visit induced repairs.

I would say that 99.8% of B5 S4 owners fall into one (or all) of these categories. The other 0.2% run 10s.

[KevinZtwin]

and to the 300ZX guy, turbo lag, rear wheel drive, and twin turbo - instead of biturbo steered me away. Great looking car still but for current market value and the turbo lag it's not an appealing deal.

The twin turbos in my 300zx actually hit the same as or faster than my K03 in my A4 beleive it or not (I don't know why either, the A4 should hit sooner) Perhaps it just feels that way to me because the Z puts out more power than the A4 even without being fully spooled.

And yes, Sequential is the term for two turbos where one "spools" the other. Biturbo and twin turbo are the same. The Supra was sequential but the larger turbo got tired in the top end, they should have made the larger turbo bigger. Stock for stock the twin turbo Z was faster than the sequential supra both 0-60 and 1/4 mile. Then when you started raising boost on stock turbos on both cars the supra with its smaller sequential fell behind even more....then the single turbo swap was introduced and everyone has 800+rwhp supras lol.

I am not trying to "bash" on any cars here. I almost bought an S4 before I decided it would be bad on my bank account to have two twin turbo cars, I knew I would drop money into it that I didn't have. I am just surprised that hardly any S4's are in the 10's (and that really isn't that fast when a lot of other cars are running 9's and even 8's)? Auto tranny would definately help when trying to hit 10's and lower.

[Dr.Duct]

This is quite possibly the most important statement in the thread and the real reason that there aren't very many cars in the 10's. Most people have:

A. Not enough money to build and maintain a capable car.

B. No desire to spend the money (or the time) to build a capable car.

C. Not enough skills to get the car down the track in under 11 seconds.

D. No patience/nerve/commitment to continue to abuse their car after a few major track visit induced repairs.

I would say that 99.8% of B5 S4 owners fall into one (or all) of these categories. The other 0.2% run 10s.

without the aid of nitrous and/or weight reduction its never been done.. TO MY KNOWLEDGE. People in this community hate both, THATS why it isnt done often. Thats your real answer.. GT cars are along ways away from a constant 10 second car on full enterior and no aid of nitrous or meth.