Audizine B6/B7 S4 & RS4 1/4 mile times update 12/11/09

[sakimano]

what's the two timeslip rule all about?

if someone's going to post a fake timeslip, why couldn't they just post two fake timeslips?

if someone runs 11.9, and they only get one run in because it's hot, or because it's too busy, are we going to say it didn't count? Just trying to understand the rules.


p.s.

Just putting it out there for all the people saying that the PES charger isnt all that and was installed in my driveway not in anyones shop

[Justincredible]

Sakimano great questions let me touch on them.


I am for the honer system and most of this is biased off that. The 2 time slips offers several things along with keeping it more honest.

1 if you are going to fake a time slip you will have to now work twice as hard
2 it stops people from using the possible faster time in the next lane as there time
3 the 2 time slips with in .2tenths are part of the NHRA rules for setting a record. We don't need it to be with in .2tenth of each other but it is a good thing to have. A little more fraud proof
4 it helps give an over all idea of how consistent the car is

The way I look at it is there are people out there that are looking to lie and cheat for on line status
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=127

In the end it just makes it a little more legitimate. With all the work by say VF and PES the S/C battle is obviously going to continue to grow. The more proof the more legitimate our records are. Holding ourselves to this higher standard puts the rules out there for everyone.

Bottom line I look at it like this. With as undependable as the dyno is for several people, this seems to be the measuring stick. Best to keep the measuring stick and its rules solid, For as hard as you, or anyone worked to get performance out of there car and a solid 1/4 mile time. We are all working to make sure its legitimate.

Video obviously clears all doubt. But with the video you still need your ONE time slip to prove it was you. If your breaking a current record it would be very respectful and obviously entertaining to provide a video.

If you went to the track getting 2 time slips and providing them should not be an issue. None of the rules should be an issue if you truly went to the track.

I ask that everyone that goes and doesn't get video that you make every effort to show you were at the track Possibly with a pic of your car and your slips at the track.

Do I think we Need all this..No because most of us are completely stand up and honest. But it will clear all doubt and squash any debate against anyone's times if we follow the rules. I don't want Anyone's good time to be questioned and put a bad mark on the accomplishments because of doubt. This system helps clear that possible doubt by some

[jfunkey]

ya bro its not like we need a blood sample. But I don't want to go bust my ass to get a good time and have some duschbag post up some random slip because he can't get it done.

[sear]

Sakimano great questions let me touch on them.


I am for the honer system and most of this is biased off that. The 2 time slips offers several things along with keeping it more honest.

1 if you are going to fake a time slip you will have to now work twice as hard
2 it stops people from using the possible faster time in the next lane as there time
3 the 2 time slips with in .2tenths are part of the NHRA rules for setting a record. We don't need it to be with in .2tenth of each other but it is a good thing to have. A little more fraud proof
4 it helps give an over all idea of how consistent the car is

The way I look at it is there are people out there that are looking to lie and cheat for on line status
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=127

In the end it just makes it a little more legitimate. With all the work by say VF and PES the S/C battle is obviously going to continue to grow. The more proof the more legitimate our records are. Holding ourselves to this higher standard puts the rules out there for everyone.

Bottom line I look at it like this. With as undependable as the dyno is for several people, this seems to be the measuring stick. Best to keep the measuring stick and its rules solid, For as hard as you, or anyone worked to get performance out of there car and a solid 1/4 mile time. We are all working to make sure its legitimate.

Video obviously clears all doubt. But with the video you still need your ONE time slip to prove it was you. If your breaking a current record it would be very respectful and obviously entertaining to provide a video.

If you went to the track getting 2 time slips and providing them should not be an issue. None of the rules should be an issue if you truly went to the track.

I ask that everyone that goes and doesn't get video that you make every effort to show you were at the track Possibly with a pic of your car and your slips at the track.

Do I think we Need all this..No because most of us are completely stand up and honest. But it will clear all doubt and squash any debate against anyone's times if we follow the rules. I don't want Anyone's good time to be questioned and put a bad mark on the accomplishments because of doubt. This system helps clear that possible doubt by some

From reading JUST this response it sounds like the rules are:
1) two time slips OR
2) at least one time slip + video OR
3) at least one time slip + picture (of car & time slips)

Not saying this is right or wrong, just trying to understand the rules better. I think the above summarizes expectations for offical postings. I too was confused about the two slip rule and what alternatives were acceptable.

[Justincredible]

From reading JUST this response it sounds like the rules are:
1) two time slips OR
2) at least one time slip + video OR
3) at least one time slip + picture (of car & time slips)

Not saying this is right or wrong, just trying to understand the rules better. I think the above summarizes expectations for offical postings. I too was confused about the two slip rule and what alternatives were acceptable.

Sear,

Great question too.

I know the guys that start to challenge the times are going to want to make sure the time that beats them are legit. No one wants to have there time be questioned and this will start to happen as time goes on. So I really want to set the president now.

1 yes, two time slips makes it a little more fraud proof. sakimano is right if you can make one fake slip you can make two. but its going to be twice as hard.

2 knowing that people can just make there own slip. It is strongly suggested and highly asked that if you do beat the best time that you go above and beyond to prove the legitimacy of the run. If you come to the site often and are going to attempt to be one of the fastest cars then you should be quite conscious of the responsibility to bare proof.

3 the best thing to do is to grab proof. Video and the corresponding time slip will be good enough for any of the spots but will become mandatory at some point in time for the top spots.

The current group is set and all verified. I have do doubt that the PES car was able to run the time it did.

However there was a situation where the PES car not too long ago went 12.97 @ and there was no time. This unforchunately will not go in the list. with out a full run info there is no data for me to put in and thus does not qualify.

So to sum it up

1 two slips for any average time or
2 one slip and a video. or if you only got one pas and no video
3 one slip and at least take a camera pic of your car at the track and the slip
4 if you have broken the top spot record You do need video.
Lets face it at this point going mid 12's is an event we all would like to share. So this is obviously a dual bonus

For me with all the issues and arguments about the dyno. Making this fool proof is best for us. I know its not fool proof but these things take lots of the possible questions about validity of a run and the time out of the equation

[Swanky]

However there was a situation where the PES car not too long ago went 12.97 @ and there was no time. This unforchunately will not go in the list. with out a full run info there is no data for me to put in and thus does not qualify.

that is too bad because that guy provided 2 timeslips AND a great video of his record breaking run clearly showing the results on the board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs8757iq6HE

there is no question he followed the rules and there is no question he set the record at that time. with all of the bs floating around, people that actually follow rules shouldn't be disposed because of something outside of their control. there are always grey areas and all that means is common sense is required to do what is right.

[JB_ImolaS4]

The current group is set and all verified. I have do doubt that the PES car was able to run the time it did.

However there was a situation where the PES car not too long ago went 12.97 @ and there was no time. This unforchunately will not go in the list. with out a full run info there is no data for me to put in and thus does not qualify.

Are you referring to my car which had no trap speed? I ran a 12.958, but I'm assuming you mean me. As I said in my original post in a thread that somehow went downhill, resulting in it being locked, I attached a link to the video of the run as well as a picture of the timeslip. Unfortunately, that lane was not displaying trap speed (would've been good to know), as could clearly be verified in both the video and the timeslip. I posted a second timeslip--of the only run I got in the other lane (with a working trap speed) to give the community an idea of what this car was trapping. Anyways, I don't really care about making the leader board one way or the other, the bottom line is the 12.958 run had no trap speed, but I figured I'd get the facts straight here for the community.

And thanks Swanky for supporting sound documentation and data on these boards. Tried the best I could with the circumstances I had.

[Justincredible]

that is too bad because that guy provided 2 timeslips AND a great video of his record breaking run clearly showing the results on the board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs8757iq6HE

there is no question he followed the rules and there is no question he set the record at that time. with all of the bs floating around, people that actually follow rules shouldn't be disposed because of something outside of their control. there are always grey areas and all that means is common sense is required to do what is right.

I 100% agree. Also when I used the reference time I meant MHP/time/60ft all of it.

Where there is Grey area the common sense approach to do what is right, is to refer back to the fastest fully documented time. This way there is no Grey area

I'm more then happy to post the time you have full representation for and I don't dispute for even a second that the 12 sec pass was fast or a great run, or even a 12 sec pass. Obviously you will always be documented as the first 12 sec pass in the S/C class for sure.

Your situation is one of the time slip don't give a MHP. I can't just fill in a guesstimate MPH. Your situation was effected by the time keeper and because of that there is nothing we can do to put a full official time up for you. Im not disputing for even a sec that this sucks.

Its clear you have a fast well built 12 sec car. Much faster then what your current 12 sec time is. Using your situation as the example as I was in the above post. I'm saying in these cases we are going to just default to the next fastest fully documented time.

Look P.M. me. if your not going to get back to the track. We can just consider putting your time like 12.97 @ XXX MPH. (obviously filling in all the correct info less the missing MHP that will be noted by XXX) I really want to keep the times complete but with the fact that you are the first fastest S/C car I think we can make an exception.

That being said I don't think we should continue to keep this as a common practice.

Thoughts

[Patrick - PES]

Justincredible, I have a feeling that your going to be updating the list alot in the next coming months.

[Justincredible]

Justincredible, I have a feeling that your going to be updating the list alot in the next coming months.

It sounds like if you got off your back side and got your car together we might be putting up some 11 sec time slips?

Not only that but so far the PES cars are not even running at full stride. Give the drivers time to get used to there car and I think we are going to start showing what the B6/7 S4 and RS4 are really made of.

This is part of the reason why I was and am not overly concerned with the incomplete time for JB_ImolaS4. He is just going to go back to the track (if he does) and go much faster any way. If he doesn't the tragedy of the situation with the slip might make cause for us to make the exception for the XXX on the board just to make sure he gets credit for his accomplishments. I just don't want to use this approach and have this issue come back in the future with someone else and bite me in the ars

[Patrick - PES]

It sounds like if you got off your back side and got your car together we might be putting up some 11 sec time slips?
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Haha, is that a challenge? What do I win when I post up my 11 sec. slip? I think we have Atco rented out for a day next month, maybe I'll have to bring something serious to the table.

[JB_ImolaS4]

Look P.M. me. if your not going to get back to the track. We can just consider putting your time like 12.97 @ XXX MPH. (obviously filling in all the correct info less the missing MHP that will be noted by XXX) I really want to keep the times complete but with the fact that you are the first fastest S/C car I think we can make an exception.

That being said I don't think we should continue to keep this as a common practice.

Thoughts

Thanks justin that would be appreciated. Local street legal test and tunes shut down after next weds so I have one shot left--I'll try to go weds but I can't promise anything. Thanks again.

[Justincredible]

Thanks justin that would be appreciated. Local street legal test and tunes shut down after next weds so I have one shot left--I'll try to go weds but I can't promise anything. Thanks again.

Yes. you got screwed with the situation. I just wanted to set the precedent for this in the future. Your situation was a great tragic example that I was looking to use. Lets please do this. If you get back to the track this season and do better then this will obviously not be an issue. If you are unable to do so then we can make the exception and give you much deserved credit and just put the XXX. For you I would love to see the obviously faster time you have coming on the list then the XXX

Haha, is that a challenge? What do I win when I post up my 11 sec. slip? I think we have Atco rented out for a day next month, maybe I'll have to bring something serious to the table.

NO no no. Not a challenge, but a request that you and your customers continue to help show the performance of this once bashed platform. I know we are all going to do this.

You mentioned that you had some JHM headers and special PES tricks up your sleeve. We can see a first time drag racer can run strong 12s with that combo. Love to see what you can do with it.

[Patrick - PES]

NO no no. Not a challenge, but a request that you and your customers continue to help show the performance of this once bashed platform. I know we are all going to do this.

You mentioned that you had some JHM headers and special PES tricks up your sleeve. We can see a first time drag racer can run strong 12s with that combo. Love to see what you can do with it.

Ha, I sorta wish it was a challenge. I need a kick in the ass to get my car together. We do not have a set of headers but we do have some great plans for rolling back the numbers. I might do a lil write up on Tony's car when I put the numbers up if thats ok. Were not planing on anything crazy. Sorta just like the JHM car, all bolt on, just a lil boost on top though.. This makes me want to go do some calculations. haha. I love a challenge.

[Swanky]

Thanks justin that would be appreciated. Local street legal test and tunes shut down after next weds so I have one shot left--I'll try to go weds but I can't promise anything. Thanks again.

Yes. you got screwed with the situation. I just wanted to set the precedent for this in the future. Your situation was a great tragic example that I was looking to use. Lets please do this. If you get back to the track this season and do better then this will obviously not be an issue. If you are unable to do so then we can make the exception and give you much deserved credit and just put the XXX. For you I would love to see the obviously faster time you have coming on the list then the XXX

this was handled extremely well. definitely a positive example of calm and rational behavior on an internet forum.

[jfunkey]

THATS facts first baby.

I think its bull Fkn balls that the clock triped up like that. But I also respect the position of keeping this all 100% factual. Both guys are in a bad spot.

Bro just go back to the track and run a 12.5 like your car should and we can all get past this.

This is how conversations go when the people don't have an agenda and are here to help us all out with FACTS.

Thanks guys. Let this be an example for us all.

[cabracco85]

I have some new times but i need to get the slips to where you can read them. I will post the new updated times soon.

[jaybquick@JHM]

I have some new times but i need to get the slips to where you can read them. I will post the new updated times soon.

A little birdie told me about this. From what I understand you are faster than me and consistently faster. Good job Mr. 12 second bolt on man!

You are officially the new all motor King.

CONGRATS!

[JB_ImolaS4]

Yes. you got screwed with the situation. I just wanted to set the precedent for this in the future. Your situation was a great tragic example that I was looking to use. Lets please do this. If you get back to the track this season and do better then this will obviously not be an issue. If you are unable to do so then we can make the exception and give you much deserved credit and just put the XXX. For you I would love to see the obviously faster time you have coming on the list then the XXX

Hey Justin, never made it to the track. Instead, I was at the final Yankees home game (we lost... but I got on TV at least--thank God for Tivo):



Would you please post the 12.958 from here?

Thanks again Justin.

[cabracco85]

A little birdie told me about this. From what I understand you are faster than me and consistently faster. Good job Mr. 12 second bolt on man!

You are officially the new all motor King.

CONGRATS!

I wouldnt say that im the NA king as your whip did trap a few more mph then mine. The only thing that helped me get a 12 was the good launch.

Well i will go into what i ran even though it wont be good untill i get the slips posted. Or atleast get them over to justin.

Here is the break down of my best pass

60ft 1.749
330 5.314
1/8 8.242@83.96
1000 10.773
1/4 12.905@106.65

The car went 12s a few other passes too. This was just your basic bolton JHM powered car. I have piggies, cat back, pulley, tune, manifold spacers, JHM ss, JHM front rotors and k&n filter with flapper mod. The car is on heavy wheels and still the stock clutch. And also is on full interior. Sorry i have no video as it is mostly just me that goes to the track. But there are other people on here that have been to the track that can attest to how my car goes. I didnt think i was going to get out of the 13 sec bracket, but i did.

[Justincredible]

Glad to. Im just going to put in the XXX for the MPH. Ill do all the updates this weekend.

Im looking to get crafty enough to put the link in to the time so you can click on the time and go to some of the treads that support the time. that way there is more information. But that is down the line. So much on my table right now but one of my things on the list is to update the 1/4 mile time list this weekend

[cabracco85]

Glad to. Im just going to put in the XXX for the MPH. Ill do all the updates this weekend.

Im looking to get crafty enough to put the link in to the time so you can click on the time and go to some of the treads that support the time. that way there is more information. But that is down the line. So much on my table right now but one of my things on the list is to update the 1/4 mile time list this weekend

Also look for my updated time slips. let me know if the pic of me at the track turned out. Dont know because it was on my camera phone.

[vwrcer]

Ok so made another trip to the track tonight.
Videos should be able to post tomorrow in car and out, hope these timeslips validate my 12.77 and had a nice 12.81@111.28 found out that hot lapping kills clutch on third run thats the awsome 14.3@91 the 12.8 was after letting clutch cool.Next purchase is jhm clutch.

[jfunkey]

Get a strong clutch behind that bad boy and your all set. I have my eye on the JHM unit as well nice piece for sure.

Nice runs car is very consistant.

[beemercer]

I wouldnt say that im the NA king as your whip did trap a few more mph then mine. The only thing that helped me get a 12 was the good launch.

Well i will go into what i ran even though it wont be good untill i get the slips posted. Or atleast get them over to justin.

Here is the break down of my best pass

60ft 1.749
330 5.314
1/8 8.242@83.96
1000 10.773
1/4 12.905@106.65

The car went 12s a few other passes too. This was just your basic bolton JHM powered car. I have piggies, cat back, pulley, tune, manifold spacers, JHM ss, JHM front rotors and k&n filter with flapper mod. The car is on heavy wheels and still the stock clutch. And also is on full interior. Sorry i have no video as it is mostly just me that goes to the track. But there are other people on here that have been to the track that can attest to how my car goes. I didnt think i was going to get out of the 13 sec bracket, but i did.

Absolutely killing the quarter mile. Great work

[sway]

Damn, good times everyone! Makes me want to go to the track even more reading this stuff! Anyone recommend a track round savannah? I know I'll have to travel a good distance, but definitely willing to do so!

[cabracco85]

Ok so made another trip to the track tonight.
Videos should be able to post tomorrow in car and out, hope these timeslips validate my 12.77 and had a nice 12.81@111.28 found out that hot lapping kills clutch on third run thats the awsome 14.3@91 the 12.8 was after letting clutch cool.Next purchase is jhm clutch.

Congrats on the times, deff has alot up top.

[vwrcer]

Here is link to a few passes
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/E...gon_710760.htm

[vwrcer]

Here is link for in car video of my stage2 pes supercharged s4 avant,good vids bad driving.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/I...-S4_710930.htm

[nuklearmaniac86]

What was in the other lane that posted a 1.4 60ft and a 12.7 1/4 time @ only 81mph. Sounds like a shelled car on slicks...

Your car is awesome. Were you @ H20? I remember seeing a supercharged avant there.

[vwrcer]

Yes i was there and it was stripped full cage mustang.Thanks justin for up dating the list oh and VWRCER like vw racer not ricer but hell top is top.I am looking forward to the ams car with turbo should be faster.Im sure there are going to FAST cars coming in spring hopefully ill have a few more hp and clutch by then.It never stops.

[Justincredible]

Yes i was there and it was stripped full cage mustang.Thanks justin for up dating the list oh and VWRCER like vw racer not ricer but hell top is top.I am looking forward to the ams car with turbo should be faster.Im sure there are going to FAST cars coming in spring hopefully ill have a few more hp and clutch by then.It never stops.

LOL sorry fixed.

To be honest. I don't think turbo or S/C there is going to be much of a difference. I think the S/C cars have a little of an advantage due to the instant boost.

If you ask me it wont be the turbo car that will be faster it will be the NOS cars that look to rain in a new era of power and fastest times in the future

[B6guy42]

WOW looks as if the PES cars are taking the leaderboard! Sucks that I am not up there, but hopefully will be soon......

[sakimano]

WOW looks as if the PES cars are taking the leaderboard! Sucks that I am not up there, but hopefully will be soon......

not really...2 out of the top 10 are PES SC cars...and only one other top 10 car is SC (Todeshandler/VF)

the other 7 are all n/a, including 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th which are JHM modded

I'd say JHM is taking over!

[B6guy42]

not really...2 out of the top 10 are PES SC cars...and only one other top 10 car is SC (Todeshandler/VF)

the other 7 are all n/a, including 2nd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th which are JHM modded

I'd say JHM is taking over!

True. The leader is now a PES gy, and ImolaJB had an issue with the timeslip, otherwise they would be #1 and 2, then I am going back on the 14th of the month and hope to bump myself up with two timeslips and a vid, but I need someone to take the vid!

[jfunkey]

True. The leader is now a PES gy, and ImolaJB had an issue with the timeslip, otherwise they would be #1 and 2, then I am going back on the 14th of the month and hope to bump myself up with two timeslips and a vid, but I need someone to take the vid!

Bro if you read it imolaJb still got credit he just didn't get the MPH. there are 2 12 sec JHM cars and there are 2 PES cars. So the board is correct.

[B6guy42]

^You sir are correct and I apologize, I didn't even see the list updated , YESS I am #11......LOL

[jfunkey]

^You sir are correct and I apologize, I didn't even see the list updated , YESS I am #11......LOL

11th place is nothing to scof at. Thats good stuff right there. How is the beast running?

Its just nice to see the board filling up and people getting to the track.

[vwrcer]

I would say we all have to owe some thanks to JHM think we all have something they produce and i owe great thanks to PES for offering a great product.

[jfunkey]

I would say we all have to owe some thanks to JHM think we all have something they produce and i owe great thanks to PES for offering a great product.

Its clear the leading 2 companys in S4 development. That combo is clearly helping drive the performance of this platform.