Audizine B6/B7 S4 & RS4 1/4 mile times update 12/11/09

[Justincredible]

Ok so over the past few months we have been talking more and more about the B6/7 S4 and its 1/4mile times. The data we look at comes from several different sources. We have drag times. Nice but not accurate some times. There is doc mike who has a great set up but many don't know where or how to access it. So my thought is This I will make this the 1/4mile thread.

We can request that there is a sticky for this and we can update the times for everyone to see.

After some recent events. I think there should be some ground rules that we follow for this. This will keep it honest and make it so all the times on the list are genuine.

1. All people requesting to be on the 1/4mile list need to produce 2 time slips. Not this ONE random time slip thing. Requiring 2 time slips makes this a LITTLE more fraud proof. This way people can't claim the time in the other lane was them. Also this will show how consistent the time is. If one person has consistent 13.6 times and just one 13.2 then it would be fair to say there car/driver is not very consistent. This will weed out the glory pass that is not a true representation. Thus helping others draw there own conclusions. How ever the fastest time will make it on the list. if the board feels there is a large Disparity between the times and this is a issue the Time will have a ** next to it to represent GLORY pass. NHRA Rules state you must be able to have 2 passes with in .2tenths of each other for some of there events to accept the pass as genuine. Im not saying that we need to adhere to this but if something gets out of hand we can use this rule.

There is no reason why you can't produce 2 time slips if you were at the track.

2. The time slips must be from the same day and must be a full pic of the time slip. FULL PIC with the track info Date car # etc. Not some pic with some blurry A$$ #'s on it and just the times.

3. Post the time slips in the thread or E mail them to me and I can update the time on the list. This way everyone has a part.

4. This is NOT for any other cars other then the B6/7 S4 & RS4 all others need not apply

5 As the mod lists grow I will make a legend for the mods as to not have a page long mod list

6 Corrected Times and calculated adjusted times are not proper representation of what your car did. Feel free to post the Altitude and temps for that day for a gauge and reference for others. But please leave corrected times out of your post. It detracts from the actual FACTUAL data we are gathering. Please let the temps and posted altitudes help others draw conclusions off the factual data and the corresponding times

When posting time you will need 2 TIME slips. Please post the TEMPS if you wish your MODS and WEIGHT REDUCTION IS A MOD.

None of this just listing weight reduction and thinking that is good enough. Any thing other than removing the spare and the spare tire and tools constitutes as a weight reduction. If you have the spare tire in please let us know so it can be added back in

Now there are some current standing times that have just 1 slip. I will be taking them from doc mikes list. He has required the slip info and there are not too many on the list. I am on the list but I will not be putting my time. I will post my last track times with 2 time slips and video.

For the 12 sec club or any record breaking event. Out of respect for the other people that had the last record. It is needed for video proof and time slips. This is only out of respect to the other participants on the list. They worked hard to get there and its only fair that we don't leave any speculation on the table. Too many good events get derailed by speculation and possible hear say and lack of proof.

Not only does this keep the system full proof it really helps bring the community into the experience with you.

If the situation presents it self for a feet of this nature. Video and times would be nice. The more proof the better. If you find your self not able to get video might I suggest getting pic's of you and your car at the track with the #'s on the time slip matching the #'s on your car.

I really don't like the fact that the honor system is not able to stay on the table for us. I really didn't think there was going to be a need for all this. Till this.....People completely just making things up

The back story on this is SOME guy claims to have gone 13.4 @ 113 with a 2.2 60 foot No time slip as "HE HAD TO LOOK FOR IT. This guy went on forever about this he even said that he granny shifted. The best part was the more he posted the more mods his car got 4 posts down from the post HE made his car all of a sudden has more mods then he listed Stasis center diff and LSD.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=127

My issue with this is there are People out there that get great results and everyone starts questioning the results.

After this bogus post and other misleading and non factual posts people were having a discussion over why this happened and better yet how this happened. This has been going on for too long we discuss things trying to make since of them. In the end there is more argument then advancement. With the facts on the table we should all be able to make since of what works and what doesn't.

With the Rules set to what they are. This should be easy for all to do and in then end we have a little more of a fact based platform to work from. Better to just take all the guess work out of the equations

[Justincredible]

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A little beta testing here. This seems to be a better way to post the times. It is easier to edit (well to some extent I'm still working on that) but we get better information and the ability to read it.

for those of you who don't know. Simply click on the list to expand the size of it



B7 RS4 1/4 mile times
TOP TIME ___driver_________year___trans___program_____________mods_____________60ft____1/4mile___speed
-1.Mickf29______08/RS4___Man/6___Stock 93___Stock____driver mod__________ 1.88____.13.40_____102.89

[ieatfishburitos]

Thanks for doing this Justin..

[Auditude2.0T]

07/RS4 Bone stock 1.919 12.80@107mph

[jaybquick@JHM]

Great Idea Justin. I was gonna actually do the same thing soon to help get this forum organized. I fully agree with your idea to make people bring solid evidence. It will be nice to keep this organized and policed by a member so that the Drama can hopefully stay out of this forum that has become common place in the B5 S4 forum.

Thanks and I will see if I can make this a sticky and allow your 2nd post to be editable indefinitely so you can keep it updated since they do eventually lock you out of editing. This is part of the reason I decided to sponsor this forum, to bring stuff like this to the table, so I will get behind this and see what AZ can do since I didn't make this post. (I know I can do the above to my posts)

[cabracco85]

Glad to see this as a sticky. Also thanks go to justin for stepping up and being the man that will take time out of his day to help all the b6/b7 cars get some forward progress, along with all of the other guys on the forum that are helping the cause too. They know who they are and im pretty sure most that are performance minded do too.

[Justincredible]

Thanks guys.

I am un sure if we should mix the RS4 and the S4 let me know what you guys think before I do it. Also feel free to make suggestions about any ideas you may have to help this out

cabracco85: your the 60ft king nice launch

[jaybquick@JHM]

Got it stickied. However the 2nd post will eventually be non editable. They haven't found a way around that for non moderators

So to help out I made this webpage for you to put a link to in your second post. Email me what you have at jason@jhmotorsports.com for links to timeslips and videos and full mod lists. I will do my best to get the page updated soon. This way people don't have to search this whole thread for a complete list.

The link --> http://jhmotorsports.com/timeslips/B6S4/

Thanks

[moroblues4]

i just got a apr catback and i removed the res i havent had time to put it on you think it gonna make big diff in power

[Captain Insano]

Thanks guys.

I am un sure if we should mix the RS4 and the S4 let me know what you guys think before I do it. Also feel free to make suggestions about any ideas you may have to help this out

cabracco85: your the 60ft king nice launch

Since this forum includes both the B6/B7 S4 & RS4... I think we can include both the RS4 and the S4 on the same webpage JHM provided, but I would suggest separate spreadsheets or charts to show each car. That way it's easy to differentiate. They are technically different models of car after all. This is just my opinion, provided at your request.

[bigredx24x]

Got it stickied. However the 2nd post will eventually be non editable. They haven't found a way around that for non moderators

So to help out I made this webpage for you to put a link to in your second post. Email me what you have at jason@jhmotorsports.com for links to timeslips and videos and full mod lists. I will do my best to get the page updated soon. This way people don't have to search this whole thread for a complete list.

The link --> http://jhmotorsports.com/timeslips/B6S4/

Thanks

Why don't you just create a google spreadsheet? The OP could be the sole owner, but all others could be given read access. I think this would be easier for the OP, instead of having to use HTML. Just a thought.

Only 4 times so far? I'm surprised there haven't been more submitted.

[Justincredible]

I posted my time here is a link to my 2 time slips and Video

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showpo...70&postcount=1

I have been searching for more time slips to add. But in the end I think we should stick with what we have and just add to it. AZ is a great site, the best by far for the B6 S4 IMHO. I want to make sure we use this as a solid no B.S. account for what OUR cars can do. So I would rather have less time sips (for now) with Real info then lots of time slips with possible bad info.

09 looks like it could be the year for 12's lets get those cars to the track and get the slips on the data board.

[sakimano]

07/RS4 Bone stock 1.919 12.80@107mph

RTFS...2 time slips, not 0.

1. All people requesting to be on the 1/4mile list need to produce 2 time slips. Not this ONE random time slip thing. Requiring 2 time slips makes this a LITTLE more fraud proof.

[jaybquick@JHM]

Why don't you just create a google spreadsheet? The OP could be the sole owner, but all others could be given read access. I think this would be easier for the OP, instead of having to use HTML. Just a thought.

Only 4 times so far? I'm surprised there haven't been more submitted.

That would work and I could always just link it and auto forward it.




Hey Justin, put that link up in your 2nd post since it will get locked within 30 days and I can put that all in the page I have or if you make a google spreadsheet like he suggested or have something else easy to link. We don't need people having to search through this thread for updated times, since in 30 days from your original post you will be locked out.

[b00st]

i like the idea of the pic of the car with the number on it and the timeslip. everyone has a camara phone to take a pic of their car with number at the track.

[Justincredible]

Congrats to Todeshandler. #1 on the list. Great job.

I would like to thank Todeshandler for helping get this info for us. Also thanks for providing the 2 required time slips and A PIC of the car.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251712

Lets PLEASE all keep these rules in mind when coming close to that ever elusive 12 sec zone.

Thanks

[Todeshandler]

I think it'd be nice if you also started listing the DA as that makes a HUGE difference with the relativity of the time/mph.

You can calculate DA here http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php it even has a look up for historical weather data for every 1/4 track in the US I believe. DA for my run was 2,139

[jaybquick@JHM]

I think it'd be nice if you also started listing the DA as that makes a HUGE difference with the relativity of the time/mph.

You can calculate DA here http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php it even has a look up for historical weather data for every 1/4 track in the US I believe. DA for my run was 2,139

Very true.



Hey Justin before you can't edit that post anymore we really need to get you another spot to post it or link it. Maybe make it a picture and just edit the picture and use the same name it will be right there for eternity.

let me know if you want I can host that for ya. Don't want putfile or one of the other free hosting sites causing issues for over bandwidth.

Like this. I just took a screen shot of your post, cropped it and hosted it. So if you just link the image and any time you overwrite it with an update it will show in that post.
Like this


So once it is linked once you just copy and paste a newer pic with the updated data and it will automatically show it.

[whartung]

Am I crazy, or should the supercharged S4 be running times faster than 13.02 at speeds faster than Justincredible's naturally aspirated...? Someone mind clearing up why the S/C'd car only gained .18 seconds at the dragstrip with a hp increase of over 100?

[GameBreaker]

Am I crazy, or should the supercharged S4 be running times faster than 13.02 at speeds faster than Justincredible's naturally aspirated...? Someone mind clearing up why the S/C'd car only gained .18 seconds at the dragstrip with a hp increase of over 100?

An elevation difference of about 2000ft.

[whartung]

I knew elevation made a difference, but never that much. So if I challenge a supercharged S4 to a race with the only stipulation being that he took the high road, approximately 2000 feet higher than mine, it would be almost fair? Good to know.

Thanks for clearing that up

[jaybquick@JHM]

I knew elevation made a difference, but never that much. So if I challenge a supercharged S4 to a race with the only stipulation being that he took the high road, approximately 2000 feet higher than mine, it would be almost fair? Good to know.

Thanks for clearing that up

When I went to 2 different tracks I saw a difference as well.

Back in early 06 my B5 S4 trapped in the 120mph to 121mph range in 70 degree temps at sea level and I was running 11.8 to 11.9 quarter miles.

Soon after I went to a drag race even down at LACR which is even higher than that at about 2700 feet. Also the day I ran there it was in the mid 80s. Usually every 10 degree of ambient my car would slow down 1 to 2 mph. On that day I ran 12.0s and 11.9 quarter miles with trap speeds in the 115mph to 116mph range. So I fell off about 5mph. Part was due to the heat and part was due to altitude.

So at a sea level track his car should trap in the 109 to 112mph range. I think also their tune is probably not finalized (hence the fact that it is not officially for sale yet). Bottom line it probably wasn't a good marketing move for them to post their results at that track prior to the kits release.

I think in time as more get to the track and they finalize their kit the results should improve.

Hopefully my personal experience and 4 years of drag racing Audis helps clear this up even more. (raced mustangs for 10 plus years prior)

[jaybquick@JHM]

Can you still update this Justin. We just went 13.03 @ 105.9 with just bolt ons. --> http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261628

[sway]

Just out of curiosity, what where the temps that day for those runs, and how much would your time be affected, if any, for about every 5 deg faren hotter?

[jaybquick@JHM]

Just out of curiosity, what where the temps that day for those runs, and how much would your time be affected, if any, for about every 5 deg faren hotter?

It was in the mid to high 60s most of the day and got really close to 70. So it was definitely no huge advantage like if I was up north in 30 or 40 degree temps.

I haven't had enough of these cars to the track in different temps to get detailed data, but I would gestimate every 10 degrees F would add or remove .5 to 1 mph on a full run. This would also be affected by cool down procedures and if any ice was used or if they had our intake spacers or not.

NA cars don't see as drastic of a difference as Turbo cars with ambient. But I would say around 85 degrees or so these NA S4s would probably start to suffer more drastically.

I am basing this off my 15 years plus of racing NA Mustangs.

Thanks.

[sway]

It was in the mid to high 60s most of the day and got really close to 70. So it was definitely no huge advantage like if I was up north in 30 or 40 degree temps.

I haven't had enough of these cars to the track in different temps to get detailed data, but I would gestimate every 10 degrees F would add or remove .5 to 1 mph on a full run. This would also be affected by cool down procedures and if any ice was used or if they had our intake spacers or not.

NA cars don't see as drastic of a difference as Turbo cars with ambient. But I would say around 85 degrees or so these NA S4s would probably start to suffer more drastically.

I am basing this off my 15 years plus of racing NA Mustangs.

Thanks.

Thanks for the info. I ran consisten 14.0's on the quarter and was highly upset. I have normal tires and I had just finished driving 360 mi to get there when I did those passes. It was about 90 that day, and I still had my subs in the trunk (approx 70 lbs). I just wanted to know if that had a huge play. That or I just need to learn how to drive better.

[jaybquick@JHM]

Thanks for the info. I ran consisten 14.0's on the quarter and was highly upset. I have normal tires and I had just finished driving 360 mi to get there when I did those passes. It was about 90 that day, and I still had my subs in the trunk (approx 70 lbs). I just wanted to know if that had a huge play. That or I just need to learn how to drive better.

The 90 degree temps probably cost you a mph or 2 over if it was 70f out. So without subs and better temps you would have ran some 13.9s or 13.8s no problem.

If you post up the slip info I can do better analyzing where the problem is (I can better determine if it is the nut behind the wheel or not ). Might have some tips for you as well. Knowing the trap speed, 60ft and half track speed and ET give me the data to dissect the run and have good feedback for you.

To better help. What was the gas you used?? What is your full mod list? What RPM were you shifting at?? What RPM were you launching at?? What technique??

[sway]

The 90 degree temps probably cost you a mph or 2 over if it was 70f out. So without subs and better temps you would have ran some 13.9s or 13.8s no problem.

If you post up the slip info I can do better analyzing where the problem is (I can better determine if it is the nut behind the wheel or not ). Might have some tips for you as well. Knowing the trap speed, 60ft and half track speed and ET give me the data to dissect the run and have good feedback for you.

To better help. What was the gas you used?? What is your full mod list? What RPM were you shifting at?? What RPM were you launching at?? What technique??

R/T... .746
60'.... 2.074
330... 5.954
1/8... 9.107
MPH... 78.31
1000... 11.775
1/4... 14.037
MPH... 99.65

My full mods list is in the signature block. My engine was still pretty hot from the drive. I launched anywhere from 1k to 2.2k. I was being a little bitch because I didn't want to be stuck 360 mi away with a bad clutch. I have videos I can show you as well. I shifted at about 6500 rpm's. All the passes where about that.

[Justincredible]

Sway,

Don't feel bad that is about right for what you have. A chip is going to do nothing with stock Dp's but hurt the motor after a while.

My advice. Get some piggie Dp's throw away the EVMOS intake thing and have Jay set you straight on some helper mods. My car went 14.3 @ 98 stock 13.3 @ 107.3 With the JHM mods and Im a automatic

[sway]

I'm waiting for the headers to come out. The intake sounds nice. I'm going to wait until I have a dyno available to see for myself. I'll have the stock intake on hand. I've read the thread on intakes. Don't think I'm not taking you're advice. I see you go through a lot to prove what works and doesn't work.

[moroblues4]

i went to the track in nj i ran 13.9 i will post time slips not that great of a run but ill take it.

[Mr. Corey]

i went to the track in nj i ran 13.9 i will post time slips not that great of a run but ill take it.

Where you dragging at show and go?

[moroblues4]

yes i was

[jaybquick@JHM]

R/T... .746
60'.... 2.074
330... 5.954
1/8... 9.107
MPH... 78.31
1000... 11.775
1/4... 14.037
MPH... 99.65

My full mods list is in the signature block. My engine was still pretty hot from the drive. I launched anywhere from 1k to 2.2k. I was being a little bitch because I didn't want to be stuck 360 mi away with a bad clutch. I have videos I can show you as well. I shifted at about 6500 rpm's. All the passes where about that.

Yeah you could have probably got in the 13s with a harder launch. I don't blame you on the clutch though.

Thanks for all the PMs by the way. Looks like we have a good plan figured out for your car.

[Mr. Corey]

yes i was

I definitely saw you then.

[trexturk]

i went to the track yesterday with an i/e i ran a 13.4. I also took a incar video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM2j4...e=channel_page

[Justincredible]

Thanks for this. Please get a pic with 2 slips and a clear pic of the entire slip with the track, date and all the 1/4 mile info

[trexturk]

[hot2trots4]

i went to the track yesterday with an i/e i ran a 13.4. I also took a incar video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM2j4...e=channel_page

Good driving man. What is your full mod list, that is a good time? Thanks.

[_Lex_]

wouldn't be a bad idea to put the elevation of the track or it's name/location... so everyone can decipher the true differences in times.

for info:
http://www.dragtimes.com/drag-racing-tracks.php
http://www.staginglight.com/links/trackfinder.html