2009 Dodge Viper ACR

[JackalS4]

Don't know what it is. I just LOVE the car. Everything about it's look and supposed performance.

I normally despise Dodge and their direction, but I am unbiased and totally LOVE this car off for some reason. I'd actually buy it as a second "fun" car if I had some extra cash lying around.

Oh, and it's already run a 7:22 at the Nurburgring with the driver bouncing the limiter at every other turn.

It's just not often I get "giddy" about a car but I love this car's "attitude".

Real brakes, lightweight wheels (13" wide in the rear with 345 tires!), LSD, 600hp, adjustable coilovers from factory, carbon aero and spoiler add 900lbs of downforce at speed - with the only real downsides for me being the name brand, potential reliability questions (who cares!), and the subpar interior (meh).










Anyone else?

[kodycobra]

Don't know what it is. I just LOVE the car. Everything about it's look and supposed performance.

I normally despise Dodge and their direction, but I am unbiased and totally LOVE this car off for some reason. I'd actually buy it as a second "fun" car if I had some extra cash lying around.

Oh, and it's already run a 7:22 at the Nurburgring with the driver bouncing the limiter at every other turn.

It's just not often I get "giddy" about a car but I love this car's "attitude".

Real brakes, lightweight wheels (13" wide in the rear with 345 tires!), LSD, 600hp, adjustable coilovers from factory, carbon aero and spoiler add 900lbs of downforce at speed - with the only real downsides for me being the name brand, potential reliability questions (who cares!), and the subpar interior (meh).
Anyone else?

I agree with just about everything you said. I know that that huge-ass spoiler adds a lot of downforce but seriously... I hate the look of a viper with any spoiler. I've always loved the body lines of a viper, and I hate to deface them with that hideous thing on the back.

Btw... I may be a little biased, as I'm currently looking through the market for a blue/white 96-99 GTS for my project drag car It won't be untill spring/summer when I purchase one, but when I do... I'm bringin the thunder lol

Basically just like this one, but a lot faster(hopefully) http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...urbo_39592.htm

[CruzS4]

ha, define "some extra cash"... that car is disgusting, good pics

[gmann]

Leather seats and a 2 pt harness in a ACR Viper? I figured they would have at least put in a 4 point from factory.

[Dr.Duct]

they look nice.. Kid I know has one.. looks bad ass though.. He had all of the black on the car, re done in flat black and took the wing off..

They arent fast at all though, I walked one from about 70-130 on my bike. Ahmad (blackbenz's) car is def. faster.. Id say its par with a stgIII on 100oct program..

But it has the sex factor and blows flames out of the exhaust when he gets off the gas at highspeeds.

[JackalS4]

kodycobra - Nice vid!! That almost seems a bit much but nonetheless amazing! I really like the wing myself, but I can understand how some wouldn't. It's pretty....blatant. Good luck on the project.

CruzS4 - Okay so a "little cash" might be an understatement...

gmann - Yeah you know, I never thought about that...makes sense especially considering it's whole "race" orientation. Safety, schmafety lol.

Dr. Duct - definitely fast enough for me to have fun! Sex factor and blowing flames never hurt either...

It'll be interesting to see if someone manages to beat it's own 7:22 time on the 'ring soon. AND, to see how the Spec-V compares.

[Whitseml]

I have always loved vipers. IMO they are so much nicer than corvettes and for some reason everyone overlooks them when they talk about american sports cars.

[YMJ]

this car is NUTS! i love it, and i hate american cars, this one though i loveee!!

[blkNJ a4]

i think deep down inside, everyone loves a viper!

[s2000_s4_525]

Rents got one of these but a 05 black/black, I agree that wing should be there this is the most tail happy car ive ever been in. I refuse to get in it, each gear is suicide. Im shakeing as I type this ive had some close (controlled) calls with that thing, as for a passanger im scared shit less. Il stick to awd when it comes to that much raw power.

[RolledMySTi]

The new car is fast, but I have a special place in my heart for a 96 GTS in blue with white racing stripes. That car just has a timeless look to me.

[MacDaddy]

I don't think its going to be a very enjoyable car, and just because it ran 7:22 at the ring dosn't mean the driver wasn't balancing the car on the edge of a razor the whole time and shitting bricks, it was probably very difficult to pull off.

It really depends on what you want, if you will enjoy it get it, but your nowhere near Nuremberg, that car is going to get pulled over all the time by the cops, the carbon fiber splitter is going to get smashed off on in a parking stall and you'll have the worst dealership experience with that thing ever (no warranty because they will say you were driving it "too hard" all time time)

[1997gtx]

A car that expensive with knob climate controls?

Pass.
--Adam

[YMJ]

i think deep down inside, everyone loves a viper!

lol so true!

[milehighpilot]

there is a reason there is a book for a users manual a course to teach you how to drive one properly... of course its sexy

[JackalS4]

S2000_S4_525 - It's fun to be a little scared of your car sometimes... That's just the the spirit of the Viper.

1997gtx - Although I see your point, to worry about these little interior things like heater knobs etc would be missing the point on a car like this!

MacDaddy - The thought of the front scraping had occured to me haha, i'm a former lowered 240sx owner (with lip).. But meh, apparently it's pretty reinforced...and again...just sometimes comes with owning a true sports car IMO. As for cops, my car would be "stock", so they can just go away and leave me alone!!

RolledMySti - The 96 era ones were hot too, I agree. But the 08/09 ACR update just looks so sick! I just can't help myself!

[Sleeeper X]

Trust me, that car needs a spoiler. I was at MIR for a track event a few weeks back and one guy had the ACR viper. He was doing everything he could to get that car in to the 10's. He was running consistently 11.0's he made about 15 passes that day, 10 with the spoiler on and 5 with it off. The car with the spoiler off just had no traction and was consistently running 11.3-11.5.


PS. I highly doubt any, ANY, stage3 ::ko4:: s4 could remotely come close to beating one........600BHP, 560LB/FT sorry, I've seen one in action with a proper driver and theirs just no way you could take one.

[NogaroWonda00]

that is a dirty ride! but for me if i was gonna bring the thunda id get one of these... and make it like the one that won the speed channel shootout






or possibly throw a RUF turbo kit on there

[Sleeeper X]

or possibly throw a RUF turbo kit on there

Or get a gt2.

[dak360rt]

I would rather have one of these....






There is more technology in the valve stem on the tire than there is in that ACR Viper...knobs for climate control terrible....

I would love an early viper though, it would be fun

Marty

[AudiA4_20T]

I would rather have one of these....

My friends dad has one sitting in his garage as we speak, badass car I got to check it out, in that exact color too

[JackalS4]

GT3RS + ZR1 = Win!! I truly love both...like honestly....

Somehow though, like a hot woman that catches your eye, the new ACR caught me at the heart level though unlike the other two lol!

And in the ultimate irony, I think both the GT3RS and ZR1 are much, much better cars....and I just don't care.

That's kind of what made me post this in the first place. It's like what I had when I was a kid for the Countach.. Once in a blue moon, a car just gets you "giddy"!

[FrimmelNoJerz]

as much as american cars make me want to vomit. there is really nothing quite like a high horsepower american muscle car or sports car.

[blmlozz]

600 horse out of a 8.4L engine always seemed kind of weak sauce, 71hp/l is *less* than what a stock *eight year old* S4 makes to the wheels (74 @ 200BHP). Although, how dodge managed 22mpg out of it is beyond me.. simply genius.

I have always loved vipers. IMO they are so much nicer than corvettes and for some reason everyone overlooks them when they talk about american sports cars.

well.. for starters, the viper has always had a much higher price premium they start @ 88+ and that kind of money buys you a Z06 with some toys, and second, the corvettes are acutaly pretty good in doing other things besides going in straight lines. The car uses 13" wide tires and still is practicaly uncontrolable). Although, I think I'm with you.. given the choice between the two I'd probaly choose the viper because of its flaws.. it just seems like a car with alot of character, and everybody and their sister has a corvette.. how many vipers do you see?

A car that expensive with knob climate controls?

Pass.
--Adam

ehh.. all lightweight super cars, even from ferrari and porsche are like that.. As I see it, it's less to go wrong and less to weight me down, which is what most of the crowd buying these street-to-track cars are looking for anyway. These are the kinds of cars you hand down to your children if you're the right kind of person.. so less is more in this case.

[1997gtx]

^ Show me a picture of the inside of a Ferrari and Porsche that are like that. Are there really some like the Viper?
--Adam

[blmlozz]

^ Show me a picture of the inside of a Ferrari and Porsche that are like that. Are there really some like the Viper?
--Adam

http://www.vbmotorsport.com/wp-conte...scuderia_7.jpg

that's from the f430 scuderia

the 612 Scaglietti has knobs too

lots of the off-brand super cars (like the gumpert) have knobs.

the lambo gallardo superleggera has knob-like features too
http://www.timpelen.com/images/cars/...gera_img10.jpg

of course.. comparing the suede, C/F laiden anorexic interior of a f430 to that of a dodge product, even if it's an expensive, racing, 600hp dodge product.. is far from apples to apples still. the dodge still looks like an 80K neon interior wise. It's not hard to choose which you'd rather be breaking your back in, but then again.. that's why you're paying 150K+ for the ferrari and lambo.

[1997gtx]

^ Those interiors are not CLOSE of comparison. But I see your point.
--Adam

[1997gtx]

Also, $100k for the ACR or $110k for the GT3?

Take your pick.
--Adam

[RolledMySTi]

A car that expensive with knob climate controls?

Pass.
--Adam

3 knob climate controls ftmfw!

I hate the automatic climate control of my S4. It's possessed by the devil I swear. I wish I had three simple knobs so I can concentrate on driving instead of pressing a temp button 20 times to get the damn temperature I want. I want to find a way to swap in a vw 3 knob control.

[JackalS4]

GT3 RS - MSRP $124,900.00 (US)
Viper ACR (Package B) - MSRP $101,570
Base Viper $89,520

Keep in mind the Viper CAN handle (at least to a degree) and pulls 1.08g's in the skidpad. But regardless, of course it stills boils down to the buyer's choice and preference.

blmlozz - Although the V10 remains relatively inefficient as you say, our cars aren't a good comparison because of the forced induction. But i'm sure the overkill 8.4L adds power in the low/midrange haha! It gets the good highway mileage because 6th gear at highway speed or even above is virtually idle speed...which is cool. So yeah, 6th is really only for cruising/fuel economy.

RolledMySti - Haha i'm the opposite! I hated climate control until I had it. Now i'm a spoiled baby and would rather always have it if possible.

[GTIBONO]

id choose the viper just because the name....Viper...... and i mean srt.....10.... it even has 10 in the NAME!!!!!
and i mean 22 mpg beats the zr1, and its just so pointless and AWESOME!!!!!

but imagine the acr was properly geared for the track... i mean it would get 13-14 on the highway but i mean damn it would be rediculous

[revhards4]

i'll take the zr-1 thank you very much

[MacDaddy]

I bet it will use more fuel than advertised, the testing they do on a dyno poorly reflects real world driving.

all i have to say about the Porsche GT2, watch the first episode of top gear, lol you better be the stig if you get that thing.

[highPSI-S4]

I didn't look up the stats but i saw one at the Strip yesterday and that thing is fast.

11.8 @ 128-130 not sure which but it looked good doing it.

[blackbenzz]

I didn't look up the stats but i saw one at the Strip yesterday and that thing is fast.

11.8 @ 128-130 not sure which but it looked good doing it.

A friend of mine hasone and i've seen it go low 11's. He is a damn good driver

[dak360rt]

"That's right, drop the ZR1 into 3rd gear, nail the throttle and it will light up the back tires at 75 mph before launching you into triple digits." - Edmunds Inside Line

Not necessary, however awesome at the same time

[JackalS4]

Exactly! Which is why if I get a chance to own 2 cars, my second car will need to fill that, as I call it, "testosterone to the wheels" attribute!

A silly car, basically.

And I bet this particular one could hit 10's with some tires and a good driver.

[tschmale]

101k for an old school displacement driven motor with NEON climate control and radio, There is absolutely no way.

[blmlozz]

blmlozz - Although the V10 remains relatively inefficient as you say, our cars aren't a good comparison because of the forced induction. But i'm sure the overkill 8.4L adds power in the low/midrange haha!

well, If you compare apples to apples it's worse really.. the B7 RS4's 4.2 32V v8 makes 100hp/L, even the 40V V8 used in the S8 and S4 for years and years makes 80hp/L(73HP/L back when it was introduced 11 years ago in 1997) . I suppose it deserves some credit.. the Engines in these new muscle cars (or any american engine really) are not terribly complicated. It's a single rocker Cam 2 valves/cylinder V10 compared to a twin DOHC 5 valve/cylinder TT V6 or twin DOHC 4 valves/cylinder V8. it gets the job done just as well.. just at the cost of more gas, which I suppose is some of the appeal to american cars, It's just not my thing.