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    Starting this since there are no dedicated threads. Last I heard form Daniel:

    Hi,
    you order is seriously being delayed because we want to fix the major complaint - unstable connection with iPhone 7+, and iPhone X.
    Since the factory is producing new PCB board, it could take up to three weeks to be delivered. Let me know if you want to wait or cancel your order.
    Two questions:
    1. Do we know when the new PCB board will be completed, if so, how do we tell if we have the new board?
    2. What is the status with Android Auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalb5 View Post
    Starting this since there are no dedicated threads. Last I heard form Daniel:



    Two questions:
    1. Do we know when the new PCB board will be completed, if so, how do we tell if we have the new board?
    2. What is the status with Android Auto?
    1&2 dunno but.....my advice is to trust Daniel 100%. If he says it's better to wait just wait... Think about it, anyone else would have taken your money, sent you whatever they had on the shelves, would have then demised the 2017 version and started selling the 'new' 2018 one...

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    i trust Daniel, but I also don't just buy blind. these aren't unreasonable questions.

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    How did I miss this one?

    Anyway, Well, it's not pcb but new cables that to reinforce the power
    and android auto rom update is said to be finishing up UI. What I meant by UI is that our UI to let you access to AA, HDMI, and Setting. They said AA implementation is complete and finishing the UI which was the final thing on their to do list. Also, AA draws more power so it's imperative to have new cable for more stable connection. Even Audi Factory interface is having trouble with AA due to power drawing.

    There will be both firmware update for the micro controller for new voltage logic, as well as new Linux rom to be flashed. This will be done over USB stick.

    Personally, I am very unhappy with all of this, and that's exactly why I am heading to china on 8th to storm the factory.

    Let's see what the factory would offer
    Daniel Kim
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    Quote Originally Posted by a4android View Post
    How did I miss this one?

    Anyway, Well, it's not pcb but new cables that to reinforce the power
    and android auto rom update is said to be finishing up UI. What I meant by UI is that our UI to let you access to AA, HDMI, and Setting. They said AA implementation is complete and finishing the UI which was the final thing on their to do list. Also, AA draws more power so it's imperative to have new cable for more stable connection. Even Audi Factory interface is having trouble with AA due to power drawing.

    There will be both firmware update for the micro controller for new voltage logic, as well as new Linux rom to be flashed. This will be done over USB stick.

    Personally, I am very unhappy with all of this, and that's exactly why I am heading to china on 8th to storm the factory.

    Let's see what the factory would offer
    Thanks for the update. ETA on the new cable and firmware? Is the new cable the harness, or just a cable that plugs into the female USB port that is provided? Could we install an existing system and then update without having to pull the car apart?
    Last edited by norcalb5; 12-27-2017 at 05:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalb5 View Post
    Thanks for the update. ETA on the new cable and firmware? Is the new cable the harness, or just a cable that plugs into the female USB port that is provided? Could we install an existing system and then update without having to pull the car apart?
    It's whole harness to be replaced. But Frankly, i do not know anything about the firmware update and the new cable because even I myself didn't see it in person yet.

    This specific factory, which is a different factory from where we make android devices, is really ... I don't know... It's like there were so many promises but nothing is delivered in terms of updating and customer supports. The only crap is this is the only factory which is offering ACP for aftermarket. Every aftermarket acp stuff from china is made by this company.

    So I am heading china to get everything settled down.
    Daniel Kim
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    For the cable recall, it's expected to begin accepting claims from next next Thursday, 11th (the promised date of 'stock in' from the cable supplier).
    For AA firmware update, I hope to have it before my travel to China, but in worst case scenario, I will be at the factory in 18th to figure out where the hell they are.

    I am leaving for East Asia next Monday morning.
    For initial ten days, it will be personal stuff in Korea like friend's wedding.
    Then hopping into China to pull some hairs.

    It's my objective to clear out all the glitches by the end of the month. Also, I will get the source code of the system image so that many other developers can jump in and making the device better.

    Be rest assured that I am working on it to deliver every promise.
    Daniel Kim
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    I hope Korea was enjoyable & things are going well in China. Please update us as soon as you have a chance.

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    Okay, I am finally at the factory and I do see a good quantity of new cables are made. I will test them in person tomorrow and will decide if we can immediately begin shipping the cable.

    Meanwhile, android auto is still debugging. It seems bluetooth is bothering a lot because it's not easy to pass Audi BT to android auto caller.

    Daniel Kim
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    Thanks for the update Daniel. Note that my friend owns a cable harness factory in Southern China and they supply to Tier 1 automotive OEMs. PM me if you’d like an introduction. He’s extremely knowledgeable and well ‘connected’ pun intended.

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    Since it's rather hard to penetrate the great firewall of china, let me get it straight.

    1. Cable recall is postphone because the factory's solution to stablize the usb power is not so effective. The above shown cable will be scrapped.
    They will produce another cable according to my suggestion.

    2. They showe me a 3rd generation sample of the rsnav box which comes with front and rear cam support, different usb power supply scheme, but without hdmi input. Instead of deleting hdmi, we add screen mirroring, but it only works with certain iphone/android for now. I will update my product description when we start to sell the new generation.

    Making a new generation does not mean we will end supprot of the previous generation with hdmi.

    We will update software as well as supply new cable for existing customer.

    3. Android Auto is almost ready, but one thing is preventing us from the release. We can't make Audi BT to kick in when android auto caller is making/receiving a call. Thus, now android auto caller goes to handsfree mode with phone mic and phome speaker when you use android auto caller.

    4. With the dev team head, we explored the existing known problems - bt call voice echo, incapable of updating mcu with current software and so on. With short experiment, I did confirm that the bt caller echo is fixed and the software is updatable and after an update it will be possible to update mcu for more steering support etc.

    The dev head asked one month to fix everything for rsnav international version. But, the factory owner ordered one week to fix. I think within two week we could finally expect new software which is at least better than what was shipped with.

    Finally, android auto test i have done with the dev team today. That's my own pixel connected to a test device.

    https://youtu.be/NDJmbzzI3ms
    Daniel Kim
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    Hi Daniel, can you give us an update?

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    Sorry. Suffering from the worst cold of my life.

    Nothing is happening since.

    Still waiting the factory to come up with new harness and the sw update.

    At least i confirmed that the cable replacement will work and software is updatable.

    It seems the factory owner was also not happy with the performance of the dev team.

    I am nagging every night, but it's not advancing as i expect.
    Daniel Kim
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    OK. Thank you. Feel better soon.

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    Hi Daniel, per your page:
    https://rsnav.com/collections/frontp...-interface-kit
    and given I have a 2012 C7 A7 (pre-facelift) and I am an iPhone user, I have some questions below. It seems like lack of HDMI on the new gen. is the one thing making me hesitate to got for the new gen...

    1. Deleting HDMI - seems like a good feature to play in video motion from iPhone since carPlay will not support that. Will an adapter like this work? https://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...tal-av-adapter Will it make audio and video work? Is it reliable?

    2. Adding 1 analog video input - my only use for this would be video in motion from the iPhone - will that work? How is the video quality?

    3. rear view camera input - so does this mean I would have to move the OEM camera connection from the OEM head unit to the RSNAV box and then the camera will not work any more on the OEM headunit? Or can it work in both places at same time? If I leave the camera connected to the OEM head unit, how would I see the OEM camera when reversing and then get back to CarPlay UI after? Is that a pain?

    4. an improved system - what does that mean? What is improved what should get my attention to make up for the lack of HDMI input (assuming HDMI works well - see above). Will you keep doing updates and bug fixes on the old gen as well as the new gen?

    5. USB stability, It is fine for me to pay for a genuine apple USB cable if that's all this is. Anything else I should know?

    6. Android Auto enabled firmware loaded by default - tell me more about the Apple screen mirroring on Android - assume this is what the $15 app does. Say I use CarPlay 90% of the time but occasionally want to use video in motion from my iPhone via Android Auto - how do I switch back and forth?

    7. and so on. - what did you mean by "and so on", are there any other advantages of the new version not mentioend above?


    *Some of the current generation product already sold requires a replacement cable for better USB connection stability. Existing customers will be notified when the new cable is ready to be shipped. (OK I am aware and I can wait)

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    1. That adapter is required when you are sending iPhone screen to some display device. Since we are deleting HDMI, it will be no longer useful.

    2. It's intended for some TPMS device, dashcam or 360 degrees around view system. It won't be good enough to watch some video transmitted from iPhone.

    3. No, that's just for cars without OEM rear camera. In some country, like Canada, there were trims without the OEM back up camera. Otherwise, the system will recognize the car is in reverse and will display the OEM interface. No problem.

    4. Such as wired airplay support, some android wired screen mirroring may be added. E.g. you can run CarPlay or Airplay(Both wired over lightning cable), and when airplay mode, it will be mirroring your iphone to 3G MMI screen. This is why we deleted HDMI. The entire reason that I went to china was to keep the maintenance of the product line. I didn't come back with immediate outcome, but I am still working with them to sort out this.

    5. The instability has two factors. First, iPhone 7+ or later model draws too much compared to 6. Second, we didn't separate 5v power supply for our logic board and iPhone charging circuit, thus the system shutdowns when iPhone is drawing too much. This will be fixed for both existing and new gens by mean of replacing cable harness with small separate power supplier for iPhone.

    6. That app has nothing to do with the standalone interface. It's for Android-based devices. Your understanding of Android Auto concept is somewhat different from the reality. Android Auto is just for Android phones.

    7. There is EQ icon in the test firmware and there were some interesting icons in the testing firmware, but I was not able to test them. Thus, I'd rather mention them as 'so on'

    For a while, I will be selling both 2nd Gen. with HDMI and 3rd Gen. with Analog input.
    The major differences are the existance of HDMI or Analog input, and for 2 Gen, there are over 5 sub-models for each car model, but 3rd Gen will be a universal interface for all Audi with MMI.

    Again, I am doing my best to deliver what was promised. I know the schedule is crazily behind, but what could I do further? My counterpart in China also expressed his responsibility, and doing his best - except his employees are ... too slow.
    Daniel Kim
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    Hi Daniel, thanks for the GREAT and FAST answers. Please note these questions are not to complain about the schedule. I just want to make sure I know what I am getting and choose the right model.

    I think your answer to my #4 means that the 3rd Gen (new one) is perfect for me. Please confirm though: there is some way of flipping between Carplay mode and wired-USB Airplay mode while driving along. So if my passenger wants to watch some Youtube we need to go into wired airplay/mirroring mode over the lightning cable (no need for WiFi in the car). Question: how do you change between CarPlay and Airplay modes?

    FYI I have worked with Chinese consumer electronics manufacturers for over 20 years. I know your pain. Thanks for making the trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PacBeach View Post
    Hi Daniel, thanks for the GREAT and FAST answers. Please note these questions are not to complain about the schedule. I just want to make sure I know what I am getting and choose the right model.

    I think your answer to my #4 means that the 3rd Gen (new one) is perfect for me. Please confirm though: there is some way of flipping between Carplay mode and wired-USB Airplay mode while driving along. So if my passenger wants to watch some Youtube we need to go into wired airplay/mirroring mode over the lightning cable (no need for WiFi in the car). Question: how do you change between CarPlay and Airplay modes?

    FYI I have worked with Chinese consumer electronics manufacturers for over 20 years. I know your pain. Thanks for making the trips.
    If I remember correct, you push a button to go our own main menu, and select between carplay or airplay, then the system reset the USB connection to trigger either service. Nevertheless, it seemed airplay need to be activated on the phone.
    Daniel Kim
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    Salve, sono nuovo del forum chiedevo a qualcuno montando il 10.25 con sorgente MMI3GPLUS ha dovuto mettere il cavo aggiuntivo isolatore acustico e dogle usb per il corretto funzionamento.
    Oppure ne posso fare un meno ??
    Grazie a tutti

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    Hi Daniel, regarding your update of 02Feb2018 above.
    Cable: Glad to see the progress. Is that still passing all your tests? No longer creating any delays?
    Software: Has there been any substantial progress on the software since 02Feb?

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    Let me speak very frankly, not as a seller, but as a person who owns an Audi.

    1. CarPlay interface is an outsourced product apart from our primary factory which produces screen replacements for B8s.
    2. This outsourced plant is the dominant and big one in the Chinese market. My impression, however, is communication is not really effective. I requested many and only a few had been returned. It's partially due to their stance that 'we are self-sufficient in the Chinese market and oversea sales is miniscule' claiming that they have sold 2000 of this devices domestically. It seems the people of China is very tolerent to what is not working, which I don't understand at all. Nevertheless, it seems they already suffered considerable number of complaints since iPhone X came out to China. That is why they decided to modify cables(for recent product for Q3, and C6) and develop a new generation.
    3. So I made the trip to China to regulate all. However, I was surprised how they were not getting my points(or 'our points'). I did a briefing again, and engineers promised to deliver what I've asked sooner.
    4. Nevertheless, it seems engineers are more inclined to develop the new generation, instead of solving our problems.
    5. Despite the promise that they will release an SW before the Chinese New Year Holiday(10th ~ 21st), they just went on the holiday.
    6. In the last few days, I made several angry calls with the owner, and followings were the points of discussion

    Daniel: Our reputation is hitting the bottom. I am already taken about 10 returns. Where's the cable I asked? and new SW? If you are not going to fix this, then you need to replace it with the third gen.

    Owner: We'd replace all problematic units if it's returned to China by prepaid shipping. [At this point, did not specified if he'd replace it with third gen, or something else]

    Daniel: Unacceptable. This is a recall and every cost must be born by you. It's still cheaper to fix the software and produce the cable that I suggested. I saw you did a good job with the new generation, and I saw even the existing generation was working better in chinese firmwares.

    Owner: I'd give you a firm remedy on this matter after the holiday. You can count on me. (It sounded like he's going to make a big decision)

    7. Here's what is going to happen: If there was no progress in the update and new cable, I will push for a free upgrade to the third gen. If necessary, I will go to China again, grap 50 new gen units in the factory, and ship it to Canada, distribute it to purchasers on my cost.
    Daniel Kim
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    Thanks Daniel for pushing and for the offer. Please give us an update about Feb 28th after they are back from CNY about 1 week. Even if not final solution, make post here to keep us informed.

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    Wow, incredible follow through Daniel. Thank you.

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    Thank you Daniel.

    I’m having all sorts of issues with my unit including poor connectivity, dropped audio and failure to work altogether. My previously existing iPod connection no longer transmits audio.



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