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    Just another catastrophic cam follower failure

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    Just wanted to share my 06 a4 avant at 95k km. Cam follower failed, hpfp is toast. I'm assuming cam is no good. What else should i be looking to replace?

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    you can salvage your pump with this: https://jhmotorsports.com/jhm-high-p...-2-0t-fsi.html

    Intake cam here: https://jhmotorsports.com/camshaft-o...wt-engine.html

    We have cam followers here: https://jhmotorsports.com/cam-follow...-2-0t-fsi.html

    We will have anything else you need as well. Best way to know is to dig into and see what got damaged by metal shrapnel.

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    Really try and get all the bits of the follower out. Change oil a few times and get a magnetic drain plug to catch any bits. Iíd change your cam chain tensioner while your in there and do the rear coolant flange while itís exposed as well. Iíve got the cam lock and cam gear puller if you need. Iíve also got half tube (opened this week) of the green sealant thatís needed. Pm me if you have any questions.
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    Iíve also got a spare new hpfp pump too.


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    Thanks guys. Going out to pull it apart and assess damage further. Wish me luck 🤞

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    Also, say I wanted to spend a bit more and upgrade, what would I be looking for, (and how much more $)?

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    Upgrade hpfp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickassfoo View Post
    Just wanted to share my 06 a4 avant at 95k km. Cam follower failed, hpfp is toast. I'm assuming cam is no good. What else should i be looking to replace?

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    Having done this same thing and seen other people here with the same issues, I needed a new engine, it slowly, 6 miles went from no CEL to not drivable. I wanted to replace things as well but I had a ton of metal shavings in my oil and the nipple got stuck in the engine and screwed me harder.

    just my .02 if you have the $$ to build it, nows the perfect Oppo.
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    I don't have the time, nor money, or space to be rebuilding a full motor. It doesn't seem worth investing in a full rebuild on a ten year old car. If anything I'd pick up a used motor slap it in and sell the vehicle for something that won't explode, with less catastrophic design flaws

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAudi View Post
    Having done this same thing and seen other people here with the same issues, I needed a new engine, it slowly, 6 miles went from no CEL to not drivable. I wanted to replace things as well but I had a ton of metal shavings in my oil and the nipple got stuck in the engine and screwed me harder.

    just my .02 if you have the $$ to build it, nows the perfect Oppo.
    Same thing happened to me. You can maybe save it if you get all the metal out, but if itís not worth it for you to rebuild, Iíd think about buttoning it all up and trading it in before you need a new motor.
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    Plenty of motors have survived a follower failure so that isn't necessarily the outcome in every case. I bought a B7 with a toasted follower that was in horrible mechanical condition and I successfully revived the motor. I ran it pretty hard for a few thousand miles as a daily and then sold it. It ran great and never had an oil pressure warning.
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    Go to the dealer... FREE Repair up to 120k miles

    The dealer replaced my cam follower, HPFP, Intake cam, Gaskets and new hardware on my b7 avant when it had 119,200 miles on it. i did not pay a cent. i also got a pretty sweet audi a3 loaner car for 3 days.

    DO NOT throw away your damaged parts... put them back in and tow car to dealer. (call them first)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nizmosx View Post
    Go to the dealer... FREE Repair up to 120k miles

    The dealer replaced my cam follower, HPFP, Intake cam, Gaskets and new hardware on my b7 avant when it had 119,200 miles on it. i did not pay a cent. i also got a pretty sweet audi a3 loaner car for 3 days.

    DO NOT throw away your damaged parts... put them back in and tow car to dealer. (call them first)
    120k miles OR 10 years. His car is an 06 and won't be covered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nizmosx View Post
    Go to the dealer... FREE Repair up to 120k miles

    The dealer replaced my cam follower, HPFP, Intake cam, Gaskets and new hardware on my b7 avant when it had 119,200 miles on it. i did not pay a cent. i also got a pretty sweet audi a3 loaner car for 3 days.

    DO NOT throw away your damaged parts... put them back in and tow car to dealer. (call them first)
    1) he's in Canada
    2) its 10 years or 120k, thats run out for 2006 models

    OP, same failure happened to me. Yours is bad, but mine was actually a bit worse. Either way, I replaced the cam, pump and a few other minor bits and have been relatively problem free for almost 40k miles since I did it in December 2012. I have oil consumption decently bad (1L/1400miles) but since the failure had already occurred before I purchased the car I have no way of knowing if the failure caused the consumption or the consumption caused the failure.

    Either way you'll probably be okay just replacing the cam, pump, and follower.
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    ahh didnt catch the year. my bad. mine was an 07 and tool care of it early this year so i was good to go. =)


    still worth asking maybe?

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    I had a blown cam follower and the engine was never the same. Slowly the oil consumption got worse to where I was putting a quart every week. After it happened everything just started going south slowly and the engine was just unhealthy. If you want to keep it, do like you and Aluthman said, drop in a motor that you know is in good condition. Finding one that is in proper shape without having to rebuild it is another challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    1) he's in Canada
    2) its 10 years or 120k, thats run out for 2006 models

    OP, same failure happened to me. Yours is bad, but mine was actually a bit worse. Either way, I replaced the cam, pump and a few other minor bits and have been relatively problem free for almost 40k miles since I did it in December 2012. I have oil consumption decently bad (1L/1400miles) but since the failure had already occurred before I purchased the car I have no way of knowing if the failure caused the consumption or the consumption caused the failure.

    Either way you'll probably be okay just replacing the cam, pump, and follower.
    I called Audi of Canada already and they told me that since the warranty was up there is a 99% chance they would do nothing. I was also told I could bring it to the dealer for an assessment but since I had opened it to check the cam follower they'd consider that I've "tampered with it" I checked to see if there was a recall listed under transport Canada but there doesn't seem to be. If there was then I'd have a case and Audi could be forced to pay for repairs, no such luck.

    I'm going to slap a cam and hpfp, do the coolant flange and call it a day. I'll flush the engine out with a few oil changes and assess it from there. If I have any problems come summer requiring further action so be it. I can't rebuild a motor at -30. I just purchased the car in April and the avant with 6mt took me ages to find in good condition. I seem have good luck in all aspects of life, and I've seen motors survive worse (blew a supercharger in a corrado and sent metal dust into the motor). I have high hopes that once I put it all together it will happily run another 100k +. Time will tell

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    Also I'm looking for a used cam, I've found two used hpfp on the forums here, but if anyone in Canada has anything let me know! I'm in Alberta. My plan is to hopefully find these parts slightly used and save some money, so I can see how the motor runs without investing 1000$.

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    Just curious...was the engine tuned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WewannaB7 View Post
    Just curious...was the engine tuned?
    The engine was tuned at 80k with unitronic stage 1. Cam follower detonated at 95k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickassfoo View Post
    The engine was tuned at 80k with unitronic stage 1. Cam follower detonated at 95k

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    Wow, only 15km (9k miles) and then cam failure. Wonder if that had anything to do with it. I tuned to APR stage 1 at around 15k miles, and now at 45k miles 3 yrs later. Maybe I should change my follower soon. Hope your carís fixed soon without issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WewannaB7 View Post
    Wow, only 15km (9k miles) and then cam failure. Wonder if that had anything to do with it. I tuned to APR stage 1 at around 15k miles, and now at 45k miles 3 yrs later. Maybe I should change my follower soon. Hope your carís fixed soon without issue.
    You should check it. It takes half an hour to remove the hpfp. My old car was fine when I checked it at 150k, so I assumed my avant would be ok until 100k. Never assume. These cars have a serious design flaw that can cause engine damage. Best to be sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickassfoo View Post
    You should check it. It takes half an hour to remove the hpfp. My old car was fine when I checked it at 150k, so I assumed my avant would be ok until 100k. Never assume. These cars have a serious design flaw that can cause engine damage. Best to be sure

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    Thanks. Good advice. What were your symptoms when it failed btw?...car just stopped and died? Any warning signs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WewannaB7 View Post
    Wow, only 15km (9k miles) and then cam failure. Wonder if that had anything to do with it. I tuned to APR stage 1 at around 15k miles, and now at 45k miles 3 yrs later. Maybe I should change my follower soon. Hope your carís fixed soon without issue.
    Premature cam follower wear also would be contributed from having a modified HPFP. Stage 2+ and up. It tends to put more psi on the cam itself. Stage 1 still utilizes the stock hpfp. For pre- Id check every 60k or less thou
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    Quote Originally Posted by WewannaB7 View Post
    Thanks. Good advice. What were your symptoms when it failed btw?...car just stopped and died? Any warning signs?
    No symptoms or warning signs whatsoever. I drove the car very hard sometimes and up until the night before it failed it ran amazing. Then in the morning it wouldn't boost when I stepped on it. Turned around and parked it at home because i heard the pump shaft squeaking on the cam. No cel, I scanned for codes and got code p2293 power train - fuel pressure regulator 2 performance.

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    Damn...that sucks. Thanks for getting me all worried now. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WewannaB7 View Post
    Damn...that sucks. Thanks for getting me all worried now. ;-)
    Looks like yours is a 2008. There may have been a revision around then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickassfoo View Post
    Looks like yours is a 2008. There may have been a revision around then

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    Thanks, but I think Iíve read here that they all fail...even the 08s. Iíll have it changed out at my next service prob just to be safe.
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    Just another catastrophic cam follower failure

    The only thing they fixed on the 2008 is that the cam lobe is much harder so the pump and cam follower wonít damage it as quickly when the CF fails. Which generally means less metal floating around your engine.

    And mine was a 2008 and it failed at 54k miles, totally stock. My old 06 had 80k miles when I checked the follower for the first time in the carís life and it was totally fine. So it has very little to do with tuning or model year and everything to with how on the ball all the owners over the cars lifetime have been with oil changes and using good quality oil.
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    Thanks for the info. Mineís been serviced since new at dealer. Iím at 45k now, and almost at 10-yr mark, so Iíll have them change it at next oil change and see what old one looks like.
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