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    Quote Originally Posted by viceroy1976 View Post
    Stage 2 here on OE clutch for the last year. Daily driving has been fine. Launching would just slip, even when the engine was stock, but the last couple of months I've been getting shudder on low RPM pull offs, so think it's time for a new clutch.
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    Have you replaced the clutch line to delete the CDV? That removed 90% of my shudder issues as I feel I have tighter control over engagement and can simply slip the clutch a little more when it begins to shutter.

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    sounds like i need a new clutch... my shop is recommending the South Bend Stage 2 endurance kit at the moment (they'll be doing some more research for me as well)

    thoughts on a flywheel?

    any general recommendations are welcome, along with any feedback on the SB setup

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    Lwfw definitely improves drivability, love mine from JHM!

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    I'd try to stay away from any clutch set up that comes with the SAC pressure plate.


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    Sadly, the ECS and JHM solutions are for LHD only. I would need a RHD line, and that would need to be custom. I should just get hold of a hydraulic specialist and see how much to make up the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic32 View Post
    I'd try to stay away from any clutch set up that comes with a non-organic disc and SAC pressure plate.


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    Fixed.

    The SAC becomes an issue with non-organic clutch material grabbing too aggressively and causing the SAC to "jump".

    My Sachs XTend clutch has a SAC pressure plate and an OEM organic disc and it's been absolutely fantastic for about a year now. My ECode stage 3 clutch started showing signs of issues with less than 6 months of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmaddr View Post
    Have you replaced the clutch line to delete the CDV? That removed 90% of my shudder issues as I feel I have tighter control over engagement and can simply slip the clutch a little more when it begins to shutter.
    I'll second that removing the CDV with a stainless steel line removed almost all shudder during initial drive off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogz View Post
    Fixed.

    The SAC becomes an issue with non-organic clutch material grabbing too aggressively and causing the SAC to "jump".

    My Sachs XTend clutch has a SAC pressure plate and an OEM organic disc and it's been absolutely fantastic for about a year now. My ECode stage 3 clutch started showing signs of issues with less than 6 months of use.
    did you consider South Bend at all? i confirmed i need a new clutch and just curious why you chose what you did. someone else recommended that i try the Sachs Xtend as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogz View Post
    Based on issues people have had (Including myself) with clutches from multiple brands that utilize the OEM style self adjusting pressure plate and non-organic disc material, I would not recommend a setup like that. Buy a USP clutch line, and a Sachs XTend clutch for around $600 and you will have a perfect setup for a Stage 2+ daily driver.
    Curious on your thoughts as well. So you are running a stage 2+ Dual Pulley as a DD? And the Sachs Xtend is holding the power and not slipping? I saw the Sachs Xtend has a 15% increase in torque load over OEM which doesn't seem like enough for a Stage 2, let alone Dual Pulley. Would you say it has more clamping force than your Eurocode Stage 3 you had?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRp220 View Post
    did you consider South Bend at all? i confirmed i need a new clutch and just curious why you chose what you did. someone else recommended that i try the Sachs Xtend as well
    No, I didn't consider South Bend. I've run their clutch before and they are great, but I couldn't justify the extra cost over the Sachs for what I'm using it for. I choose the Sachs because they have more experience making clutch than anyone else in the S4 game and they have a sterling reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callandor View Post
    Curious on your thoughts as well. So you are running a stage 2+ Dual Pulley as a DD? And the Sachs Xtend is holding the power and not slipping? I saw the Sachs Xtend has a 15% increase in torque load over OEM which doesn't seem like enough for a Stage 2, let alone Dual Pulley. Would you say it has more clamping force than your Eurocode Stage 3 you had?
    I'm running Stage 2, not dual pulley. I've run the stage 2 race gas tune (which is at least as powerful as a dual pully 93 setup) without any issues at all. I'm convinced most of the stock clutch issues people have are NOT from the holding capacity of the stock pressure plate, but the presence of the clutch delay valve in the factory clutch line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogz View Post
    No, I didn't consider South Bend. I've run their clutch before and they are great, but I couldn't justify the extra cost over the Sachs for what I'm using it for. I choose the Sachs because they have more experience making clutch than anyone else in the S4 game and they have a sterling reputation.
    thanks for the reply. it looks like i'll need to go with their stage 3 endurance since the stage 2 will only handle 430lb/ft of torque. not happy about hte bump in cost, but i'd rather pay labor once and not have to upgrade later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmaddr View Post
    Have you replaced the clutch line to delete the CDV? That removed 90% of my shudder issues as I feel I have tighter control over engagement and can simply slip the clutch a little more when it begins to shutter.
    I recently installed the ECS transmission and differential mount inserts, and 99% of my clutch shudder issue has disappeared.
    I reckon deleting the CDV will completely eradicate the issue.
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    I see that ECS now has a delay line delete as well. Shall we add this to the original thread? I need to get one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Khan View Post
    I see that ECS now has a delay line delete as well. Shall we add this to the original thread? I need to get one of these.

    https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-part...017626ecs01~a/
    I'm installing one Sunday, hoping it will solve the usual complaints.

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    Installed the ECS line yesterday. As advertised, clutch engagement from a stop in 1st or going from 1st to 2nd at slow speeds is much more consistent. No more shudder at the end/top of letting the pedal out due to delay in clutch engagement. Hopefully that'll breath a little longer life into the disc.

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    does anybody have their stock clutch (post stage 2 or dual pulley) kicking around? i have a client looking for one in the name of science and i have some plans for mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRp220 View Post
    does anybody have their stock clutch (post stage 2 or dual pulley) kicking around? i have a client looking for one in the name of science and i have some plans for mine!




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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic32 View Post




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    Willing to part with it/ship it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KRp220 View Post
    Willing to part with it/ship it?


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    That thing cost me so much to replace, Iím keeping it and burning it with the car


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    Quote Originally Posted by sonic32 View Post
    That thing cost me so much to replace, Iím keeping it and burning it with the car


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    Lol, Iím making a clock out of mine. What do you replace yours with? I just had a south bend stage 3 endurance installed. Not cheap and break in is a biiiiitch


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    Quote Originally Posted by KRp220 View Post
    Lol, Iím making a clock out of mine. What do you replace yours with? I just had a south bend stage 3 endurance installed. Not cheap and break in is a biiiiitch


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    How is the clutch pedal feel? Looking to do mine eventually. However my car is a daily


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    Sachs Xtend , update the slave and fork, install a SS line, new stock OEM flywheel, new pilot, flush the system and your good.

    i also installed new motor mounts, inserts, new OEM stock trans mount..blah, blah

    Bedding the Sachs Xtend took about 500 miles or so of stop and go-

    Strongly feel this set up will take whatever you toss at it other then a ton of 3000 to 4000 dumps -

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polo77 View Post
    How is the clutch pedal feel? Looking to do mine eventually. However my car is a daily


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    South bend says clutch feel should be about 20% stiffer than stock, which I would agree with. Itís def a little ďgrabbyĒ I guess and engages super quickly but again, Iím still in the break in process (200 Miles)


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    Quote Originally Posted by trip'n View Post
    Sachs Xtend , update the slave and fork, install a SS line, new stock OEM flywheel, new pilot, flush the system and your good.

    i also installed new motor mounts, inserts, new OEM stock trans mount..blah, blah

    Bedding the Sachs Xtend took about 500 miles or so of stop and go-

    Strongly feel this set up will take whatever you toss at it other then a ton of 3000 to 4000 dumps -
    I was under the impression that the Sachs Xtend did not have the torque rating to handle dual pulley figures.


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    + tints, sports diff, j-codes, Akebono pads, SS clutch line...
    GONE 2010 S4 // QUARTZ GREY // 6MT // GIAC STG2 // AWE TRACK // ROC EURO // 034 TRANS MOUNT // H&R OE's // AG M610 FF 19x8.5 // + random stuff

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    Yeah Iím looking for a clutch and fly wheel option. I plan on eventually going Dual pulley so it will need to hold. However I daily my car and donít feel like breaking my leg to push a clutch lol. Thereís not many solid reviews on all the other options. Stage 3 daily vs endurance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by trip'n View Post
    Sachs Xtend , update the slave and fork, install a SS line, new stock OEM flywheel, new pilot, flush the system and your good.

    i also installed new motor mounts, inserts, new OEM stock trans mount..blah, blah

    Bedding the Sachs Xtend took about 500 miles or so of stop and go-

    Strongly feel this set up will take whatever you toss at it other then a ton of 3000 to 4000 dumps -
    did you install the clutch or motor mounts yourself? i've been contemplating the Xtend + motor mounts and thinking i may do it myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polo77 View Post
    Yeah Iím looking for a clutch and fly wheel option. I plan on eventually going Dual pulley so it will need to hold. However I daily my car and donít feel like breaking my leg to push a clutch lol. Thereís not many solid reviews on all the other options. Stage 3 daily vs endurance?


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    its def stiffer, but no too obnoxious. i'll prob write a review at some point. i went with endurance. i went with what myh shop suggested and i trust them 100%. i think it had something to do with the material used in the endurance over daily. not sure, but i went with what they suggested
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    I had the work done, full clutch is a bitch on these cars, lots of hrs-

    KRP220...not sure where your getting that info as there truly is not a rating on the set up that I know of, only that it's 15% more then stock... but what is stock failure #'s with a SS line? I'd bet its a lot more then people think given a new or healthy bone stock clutch

    I'm a strong 93 file, Full APR ULTRA, stage 2, Dual pulley, AWE downpipes, JHM test pipe, AWE Cat Back, cars a DD and I would not even second guess keeping the set up next spring with miles on it when I go ported blower, meth and a 104 file-

    As I spoke about even my stock clutch was not slipping before the test pipes but everything else installed. I did the clutch at the same time as the pipes-

    Clutch's IMO have a ton to do with how they are bedded in, how the installer cleans the flywheel during install and how the car is driven.

    I'm not a ton of stop and go and I don't dump it- I do enjoy my cars on the back rds., highway and will row the gears to red line a few times a day

    Additionally you have to add in driving habit / skills., I've been a manual guy my entire life from my first car 30 plus yrs ago... I once had an 2002 F-150 that had a clutch go for well over 285,000 miles and I beat that thing up-

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    Quote Originally Posted by trip'n View Post
    I had the work done, full clutch is a bitch on these cars, lots of hrs-

    KRP220...not sure where your getting that info as there truly is not a rating on the set up that I know of, only that it's 15% more then stock... but what is stock failure #'s with a SS line? I'd bet its a lot more then people think given a new or healthy bone stock clutch

    I'm a strong 93 file, Full APR ULTRA, stage 2, Dual pulley, AWE downpipes, JHM test pipe, AWE Cat Back, cars a DD and I would not even second guess keeping the set up next spring with miles on it when I go ported blower, meth and a 104 file-

    As I spoke about even my stock clutch was not slipping before the test pipes but everything else installed. I did the clutch at the same time as the pipes-

    Clutch's IMO have a ton to do with how they are bedded in, how the installer cleans the flywheel during install and how the car is driven.

    I'm not a ton of stop and go and I don't dump it- I do enjoy my cars on the back rds., highway and will row the gears to red line a few times a day

    Additionally you have to add in driving habit / skills., I've been a manual guy my entire life from my first car 30 plus yrs ago... I once had an 2002 F-150 that had a clutch go for well over 285,000 miles and I beat that thing up-
    whether they explicitly state it has a rating or they just say "15% more than stock" my shop was not convinced it was enough, nor was i
    i dont have the tools or experience to do a clutch myself, nor would i really want to try on my daily driver, so i really wanted to avoid "close enough" and have to pay for an install twice
    driver skill is always a factor, as is previous owners skill. my previous stage 2 B8 had 80k on it (with SS line) and the clutch only slipped very rarely. my current car slipped after stage 1 (with SS line). bought with 30k miles so who knows how the previous owner drove.
    is what it is. i've eliminated a variable by having a clutch that should be easily capable of holding the power of my setup with 104 octane, which is most likely as far as i'm going to take the car power-wise
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    + tints, sports diff, j-codes, Akebono pads, SS clutch line...
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    Can you use a south bend stage 3 clutch disc with the factory flywheel? Iím worried about chatter. I donít want my Audi to rattle lol.. i seen some videos online of mk6gtiís chatter. Itís crazyyyy loud!


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    Quote Originally Posted by trip'n View Post
    I had the work done, full clutch is a bitch on these cars, lots of hrs-

    KRP220...not sure where your getting that info as there truly is not a rating on the set up that I know of, only that it's 15% more then stock... but what is stock failure #'s with a SS line? I'd bet its a lot more then people think given a new or healthy bone stock clutch

    I'm a strong 93 file, Full APR ULTRA, stage 2, Dual pulley, AWE downpipes, JHM test pipe, AWE Cat Back, cars a DD and I would not even second guess keeping the set up next spring with miles on it when I go ported blower, meth and a 104 file-

    As I spoke about even my stock clutch was not slipping before the test pipes but everything else installed. I did the clutch at the same time as the pipes-

    Clutch's IMO have a ton to do with how they are bedded in, how the installer cleans the flywheel during install and how the car is driven.

    I'm not a ton of stop and go and I don't dump it- I do enjoy my cars on the back rds., highway and will row the gears to red line a few times a day

    Additionally you have to add in driving habit / skills., I've been a manual guy my entire life from my first car 30 plus yrs ago... I once had an 2002 F-150 that had a clutch go for well over 285,000 miles and I beat that thing up-
    I'm Unitronic stage 2+(single pulley) with oem clutch with ~60k miles on it and SS line. It only slips if I dump over 3000 rpm and at the beginning of the summer it was 3800 rpm, but I abused it lol

    I think the OEM clutch will hold much more power than what it is thought to hold

    Sachs Xtend, I think, is easily capable of holding at least any dual pulley setup on 91-93 octane levels
    2012 S4
    Brilliant Black | 6MT | Sports Diff | B&O
    Roc-Euro Intake | Unitronic Stage 2+ | CTS Turbo Catback | USP Clutch Line | 034 Inserts

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