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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Morales View Post
    ...Hellcats supposedly dyno in the 630 rwhp range stock. That should be good for 10.8@128 with a strong bite as I would estimate that is where I am power-wise in my 4500 lb tank.
    Funny you should mention that - my buddy's dynoed at 657 rwhp when brand new (900 miles) - strongest stock Hellcat the dyno shop had seen at that point. That's part of why he runs 10.8s...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    Funny you should mention that - my buddy's dynoed at 657 rwhp when brand new (900 miles) - strongest stock Hellcat the dyno shop had seen at that point. That's part of why he runs 10.8s...
    street tires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Morales View Post
    For that matter, I'll say I have been unimpressed with the legendary C7 Z06 as well. They run low 11s in the normal conditions I've seen them in (including the time I put a bus length on one with my S8)
    A bone stock, (RWD), from the factory car, running low 11's is not impressive?? I am in no way an American car fanboy. But having a C7 Z06 in my garage... I can tell you, the out of the box performance is impressive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiS4B8 View Post
    street tires?
    305 section width street legal drag radials, so "kinda".

    He drives to the track and back on them, but obviously doesn't DD them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    A bone stock, (RWD), from the factory car, running low 11's is not impressive?? I am in no way an American car fanboy. But having a C7 Z06 in my garage... I can tell you, the out of the box performance is impressive!
    Of course they're both impressive, relative to what one could buy 10/20 years ago they're all light years ahead, there has never been a better era to be a gear head. That said, we're all 4Rings guys/girls (maybe) here so none of us are likely to think another car is more impressive than Audi's flagship sedan. My last justification for the RS is that despite being rated at 100+ HP less and giving up 130+ CI to both the Z06 (and weighing about 1/2 ton more than this one) and Hellcat, neither would want any part of the RS in a "true" street race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobrario View Post
    Of course they're both impressive, relative to what one could buy 10/20 years ago they're all light years ahead, there has never been a better era to be a gear head. That said, we're all 4Rings guys/girls (maybe) here so none of us are likely to think another car is more impressive than Audi's flagship sedan. My last justification for the RS is that despite being rated at 100+ HP less and giving up 130+ CI to both the Z06 (and weighing about 1/2 ton more than this one) and Hellcat, neither would want any part of the RS in a "true" street race.
    Of course. Vorsprung durch Technik all the way!

    A roll race between the RS7 the Z06 would be interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    A bone stock, (RWD), from the factory car, running low 11's is not impressive?? I am in no way an American car fanboy. But having a C7 Z06 in my garage... I can tell you, the out of the box performance is impressive!
    I don't mean to say that. Yes, low 11s is impressive. It does well. But the car's been built up on the internet as a mid-10 second monster, and relative to that I have been unimpressed by my real world encounters with the car. That's all I meant to say. Didn't mean to dog on your car as with very little mods it would whoop up on my car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    Of course. Vorsprung durch Technik all the way!

    A roll race between the RS7 the Z06 would be interesting...
    I'm sure the Z06 would pull, stock for stock. Some unflattering videos were posted in 2015 noting mods on the RS7s but conspicuously not on the Z06 (though without a doubt the Z06 had to be modded). Misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    305 section width street legal drag radials, so "kinda".

    He drives to the track and back on them, but obviously doesn't DD them...
    I get the "kinda" as I ran DRs on my Saleen and could drive them on the street.

    But even though we see more and more streetable drag radials, DRs, no matter how streetable, are not street tires. If you have drag radials on the car, you're running drag radials. No hellcat is running 10s on any kind of street tire from what I've seen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    A bone stock, (RWD), from the factory car, running low 11's is not impressive?? I am in no way an American car fanboy. But having a C7 Z06 in my garage... I can tell you, the out of the box performance is impressive!
    Super impressive in itself but not so much when the car was made out to be ripping mid 10s from the factory.

    I came from american muscle so I get the appeal but I'm with Chris, the new Z06 has under-performed from expectations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Morales View Post
    I don't mean to say that. Yes, low 11s is impressive. It does well. But the car's been built up on the internet as a mid-10 second monster, and relative to that I have been unimpressed by my real world encounters with the car. That's all I meant to say. Didn't mean to dog on your car as with very little mods it would whoop up on my car.


    I'm sure the Z06 would pull, stock for stock. Some unflattering videos were posted in 2015 noting mods on the RS7s but conspicuously not on the Z06 (though without a doubt the Z06 had to be modded). Misleading.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAi799tlyJk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bmB-q6l-0
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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiS4B8 View Post
    Super impressive in itself but not so much when the car was made out to be ripping mid 10s from the factory.

    I came from american muscle so I get the appeal but I'm with Chris, the new Z06 has under-performed from expectations
    Yeah, but it's still got enough power to put an "oh shit this car is fast" look on your face!

    But of course, the RS7 is a feat of amazement! An almost 4500lb executive Saloon that can put up the numbers it does... is nothing short of astonishing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omnipotent View Post
    Yeah, but it's still got enough power to put an "oh shit this car is fast" look on your face!
    Oh god yes. A friend had one (recently sold it) and it was STRONG. I just dislike corvettes despite their obvious bang for the buck
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    Found this from Australian Auto site - some evidence base on the trap (if they're using trap or just a pbox for speed) that the performance may be faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    seems that way but again, I ran 11.21 with a trap of 123 (which would likely be the same 125 on a pbox or whatever the magazines use for 0-60 and 0-100 etc...). We need someone on here to runs theirs please I'm begging you to close this door once and for ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobrario View Post
    seems that way...We need someone on here to runs theirs please...
    Knew you would be first to respond, and knew exactly what you were gonna say...

    May not actually need to be said, but: Both cars were tested by the same publication, using the same testing procedures, and the documented performance increase is as clear as it could be. It's also just about what you might expect from some 70-odd (lyin' Audi, again...) extra horsepower, so - case is closed. (as if it will ever be...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobrario View Post
    seems that way but again, I ran 11.21 with a trap of 123 (which would likely be the same 125 on a pbox or whatever the magazines use for 0-60 and 0-100 etc...). We need someone on here to runs theirs please I'm begging you to close this door once and for ever
    Now why would I do that when this speculation and ongoing discussion is far more entertaining .

    Joking aside: if we assume that any two given Audi RS 7 Prestiges run similar times... and we then add a third into the mix with enough additional factory-quoted horsepower and torque to make a tangible dent, it seems reasonable to assume it's going to be just a little bit faster which is what the rags seem to be supporting.

    The only useful data I have for now is the GPS-measured (Solo box) 0-60 and 0-100 runs both of which, after many more additional attempts and adjustments to determine optimal car setup, better the Car and Driver numbers. I'm taking the car to Vegas in a few weeks and I might well have the chance to run it there assuming the weather holds... fingers' crossed. For completeness, 0-60 is at 3.11 (managed that three times) and 0-100 in 7.1 seconds which I strangely seem to hit most of the time (even when the 0-60s of that same run were slower... can't fathom that one).

    // EDIT: by the way, the optimal setup is not dynamic mode--I lose at least 2 tenths on the 0-60s in that mode. Instead, it's individual with everything cranked up to 11 except dampers and steering (the latter 'cause I'm a wuss).
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    Quote Originally Posted by limeypride View Post
    Now why would I do that when this speculation and ongoing discussion is far more entertaining ...
    LOL - right?

    Serious question, though - I've read from multiple sources (including this C&D test) that DRC-equipped cars ride very poorly. What's your experience/opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    Knew you would be first to respond, and knew exactly what you were gonna say...

    May not actually need to be said, but: Both cars were tested by the same publication, using the same testing procedures, and the documented performance increase is as clear as it could be. It's also just about what you might expect from some 70-odd (lyin' Audi, again...) extra horsepower, so - case is closed. (as if it will ever be...)
    what can I say, I'm forever the skeptic, still want to see the timeslips

    Quote Originally Posted by limeypride View Post
    Now why would I do that when this speculation and ongoing discussion is far more entertaining .

    Joking aside: if we assume that any two given Audi RS 7 Prestiges run similar times... and we then add a third into the mix with enough additional factory-quoted horsepower and torque to make a tangible dent, it seems reasonable to assume it's going to be just a little bit faster which is what the rags seem to be supporting.

    The only useful data I have for now is the GPS-measured (Solo box) 0-60 and 0-100 runs both of which, after many more additional attempts and adjustments to determine optimal car setup, better the Car and Driver numbers. I'm taking the car to Vegas in a few weeks and I might well have the chance to run it there assuming the weather holds... fingers' crossed. For completeness, 0-60 is at 3.11 (managed that three times) and 0-100 in 7.1 seconds which I strangely seem to hit most of the time (even when the 0-60s of that same run were slower... can't fathom that one).

    // EDIT: by the way, the optimal setup is not dynamic mode--I lose at least 2 tenths on the 0-60s in that mode. Instead, it's individual with everything cranked up to 11 except dampers and steering (the latter 'cause I'm a wuss).
    I wouldn't track it in Vegas, slow track 2000 ft elevation probably won't give us a good comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    LOL - right?

    Serious question, though - I've read from multiple sources (including this C&D test) that DRC-equipped cars ride very poorly. What's your experience/opinion?
    In comfort mode, I think it's just fine... but I've not had enough experience with RS 7's fitted with air suspension so I can't really contrast the two. My wife's driven it and she chose a Ford Explorer over an X5M because of ride quality; she finds the RS 7 fine, too, in comfort mode (which, as far as she's concerned, is the only mode it has). Compared to my last car, a BMW M6 Gran Coupe, there's not much in it for day-to-day driving comfort. In dynamic mode, Audi's DRC is rigid--really, really rigid... which is good for b#lls out racing/cornering but not much else. My guess is you could strap a 6-year old's go cart to the back of my car when in dynamic mode and it'd ride more smoothly than what's pulling it. But again, I'll still grab dynamic mode when I'm pushing the limits of traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobrario View Post
    what can I say, I'm forever the skeptic, still want to see the timeslips



    I wouldn't track it in Vegas, slow track 2000 ft elevation probably won't give us a good comparison.
    Nod, agreed on the elevation... definitely sub-par conditions. But if it's still faster... then we have our answer. If not, I can blame the altitude and lack of air . Win win for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by limeypride View Post
    Nod, agreed on the elevation... definitely sub-par conditions. But if it's still faster... then we have our answer. If not, I can blame the altitude and lack of air . Win win for me...
    I like your logic! You must be a lawyer
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    For what it's worth a year or so ago Car & Driver tested an APR Stage 1 RS 7 that ran 11.0 in the quarter. Forget the trap speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melsan View Post
    For what it's worth a year or so ago Car & Driver tested an APR Stage 1 RS 7 that ran 11.0 in the quarter. Forget the trap speed.
    Trap was 129 on 93 octane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    Motor Trend seems to be working on a test comparing the RS7 Performance to the Charger Hellcat - not sure when that test will drop, but it's likely to answer this question.

    They've already hinted is that the RS7P is quicker in the 1/4 mile...
    this would be my assumption...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    LOL - right?

    Serious question, though - I've read from multiple sources (including this C&D test) that DRC-equipped cars ride very poorly. What's your experience/opinion?

    ride poorly?? believe this is subjective more than anything.

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    Having had a C7 ZO6, I can tell you that stock vs stock on the street and from a standing start an RS7 performance should have the edge. It's unlikely even a hero run would produce an even result, just not enough traction even with 335s out back. From a roll I would expect the Z06 to pull slightly until it starts to overheat. (Not joking, if it's your 3rd run and it's a warm day expect the car to start pulling power) On a drag strip, hypothetically, the ZO6 has the ability to beat the RS7 performance. The reality is that you would need an absolute hero run in the ZO6 to pull it off. The launch control in the ZO6 doesn't really work... at all... But if you're really good at traction sensing and can feed in the throttle super fast without excessive wheelspin that car freaking FLYS. Traction is always a problem, even on a prepared surface. I wish I still had mine in addition to my Audi. If I still had it, I would be happy to show you all what I mean. All in all, great car though.

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