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    Newbie to the B7 sorry for the noob question.

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    So my story begins,

    I bought a 2007 A4 2.0 awd 6 speed MT sline for $1250 (1000 if it doesn't need a bottom end). Its a one owner car with 105000 on it.
    Guy pulls into his drive way one night then goes to start it the next morning and crank no start. Indie shop tells him timing is off and needs the head rebuilt. I buy the car, tow it home, remove the valve cover and turn it over while watching each cylinder with a bore scope. We notice the intake cam isn't turning, figure broken cam chain, pull the rear cover and the chain is still on both gears, rotate engine and watch the intake cam gear just spining on the intake cam.









    I removed the intake cam while leaving the exhaust in. I am replacing the intake cam, follower, chain and tensioner. My question is is there going to be enough slack in the chain without the exhaust cam valve adjuster removed to re time the cams?
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    I have no clue on the machanic end but you just bought a Titanium edition for 1,250. Nice pick up. Even if you get a brand new motor, i think you still winning. I would suggest check electrical but since you are manually spinning motor, it doesnt seem like its that. Good luck.

    Just to add. Last time my car didnt crank over after being fine was the relays under ECU. but again i doubt its that since you are seeing things not working.
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    Surprised their is such a stress crack. Wouldn't think that would be the problem. Good catch and Nice car as Wrisolf said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yxri View Post
    Surprised their is such a stress crack. Wouldn't think that would be the problem. Good catch and Nice car as Wrisolf said.
    The crack goes all the way thru the cam gear and the gear just spins on the cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wriscolf View Post
    I have no clue on the machanic end but you just bought a Titanium edition for 1,250. Nice pick up. Even if you get a brand new motor, i think you still winning. I would suggest check electrical but since you are manually spinning motor, it doesnt seem like its that. Good luck.

    Just to add. Last time my car didnt crank over after being fine was the relays under ECU. but again i doubt its that since you are seeing things not working.
    How can you tell it's a Titanium edition?

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    those are the wheels that come on a titantium...

    is the interior trim piano black, the roof line anthracite (black/charcoal), red stitching on the steering wheel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpcartier View Post
    those are the wheels that come on a titantium...

    is the interior trim piano black, the roof line anthracite (black/charcoal), red stitching on the steering wheel?






    Does this look right?

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    ^^Definitely a TI package car, those always make me jealous haha!
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    Damn what a steal. Mine was cheaper at $1000 with timing belt damage. Anyways one thing to look at is take the valve cover off and crank to tdc on cylinder #1. And look at the cam lobes in the rear they should be parallele to eachother. If is out of time then forget it. Either way what ever you do buy the chain, tensioner, cam follower,all new gaskets, and when you put it to tdc take a pic of the camshaft and let us see.

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    I removed the intake cam while leaving the exhaust cam in with the timing belt on. I am replacing the intake cam, follower, chain and tensioner and all new bolts for the cam cradle. My question is, is there going to be enough slack in the chain without the exhaust cam valve adjuster removed to re time the cams? I am assuming that I can install the new tensioner ( leaving it compressed) put the new chain on the new intake cam and over the exhaust cam gear, and this when things get a little confusing. How I am I going to time the cams and secure the cam cradle? I saw a post in here where this has been done before but it goes "old intake out then new intake in with cam cradle".

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    I can't help you but just wanted to say what a steal you got!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by westCOA4 View Post
    How can you tell it's a Titanium edition?
    Wheels, the blacked out grill, the door doesnt have chrome and black interior. Unless prev owner did all that which i doubt since car looks stock and owner quit on car rather fast.

    I also have the same exact car. From the pictures, i can tell its a phantom black also. ;)
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    Thank you for all the info, like I said newbie to the Audi game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pezgoon View Post
    I can't help you but just wanted to say what a steal you got!!


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    I am trying to explain this to the wife but hard for her to grasp since its not running but the parts will be here tomorrow then I have to wait for the sealnt on the cam cradle to dry. I didn't see any bent valves with the bore scope at least exhust side and all the intakes were fully seated so we will see. I figured it was worth the gamble..

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    Hell of a deal, even if you need to buy/rebuild a motor for it

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    Installed new intake cam, follower,chain and tensioner. Put 50 miles on it today.

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    And that makes you less noob than 90% of us here. That's a steal. I'll give you double what you paid for the car. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by westCOA4 View Post
    Installed new intake cam, follower,chain and tensioner. Put 50 miles on it today.

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    nice....enjoy her...
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    Just rolled 150 miles and got a CEL with code P2181 engine cooling system performance. Screen shot says 162 degrees.

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    ....How fun

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    ....How fun
    Welcome to Audi ownership.....
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    Super cool oil filter design too...not. It has definitely been fun to drive though.


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    Quick question for you. As you were replacing (or maybe you didn't have to ) your cam chain and tensioner,did you take off exhaust camshaft adjuster bolt? And if so....does it come off clockwise or counter clockwise? In other words while the engine is in and you are standing on the passenger side did you pull your breaker bar or push it? I know this seems silly but I've read contradicting info and want to make sure I don't mess it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by z_wrecker View Post
    Quick question for you. As you were replacing (or maybe you didn't have to ) your cam chain and tensioner,did you take off exhaust camshaft adjuster bolt? And if so....does it come off clockwise or counter clockwise? In other words while the engine is in and you are standing on the passenger side did you pull your breaker bar or push it? I know this seems silly but I've read contradicting info and want to make sure I don't mess it up.


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    Are you just replacing the chain and tensioner? If so then you would pull on the adjuster bolt standing on the passenger side. I had a crack thru the intake gear and had to replace it. After looking at both option i.e removing the timing belt, and the exhaust cam adjuster and possibly stripping the bolt or breaking one of the seals in the adjuster I chose to remove the cam cradle and not touching the timing belt or exhaust cam adjuster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westCOA4 View Post
    Are you just replacing the chain and tensioner? If so then you would pull on the adjuster bolt standing on the passenger side. I had a crack thru the intake gear and had to replace it. After looking at both option i.e removing the timing belt, and the exhaust cam adjuster and possibly stripping the bolt or breaking one of the seals in the adjuster I chose to remove the cam cradle and not touching the timing belt or exhaust cam adjuster.
    So pulling it would mean it comes off clockwise. Ok great! Thanks!! Yes I am just replacing the cam chain and tensioner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by z_wrecker View Post
    So pulling it would mean it comes off clockwise. Ok great! Thanks!! Yes I am just replacing the cam chain and tensioner.


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    If standing on the passenger side and pulling towards you would be counter clockwise I always base it off if I am looking directly at the bolt.

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    Newbie to the B7 sorry for the noob question.

    Quote Originally Posted by westCOA4 View Post
    If standing on the passenger side and pulling towards you would be counter clockwise I always base it off if I am looking directly at the bolt.
    Hmmmm no that would be clockwise, counter would be pushing it

    Unless you've got right hand drive then your correct



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    I've no idea which way it needs to turn, but that's which way would be clockwise and counter clockwise


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    Score on a good deal....good luck with it.

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    This picture should be in every DIY! I was under the same impression that pushing it would loosen it, but I've read a few threads where people said they pulled on it rather than pushed
    Quote Originally Posted by pezgoon View Post
    Hmmmm no that would be clockwise, counter would be pushing it

    Unless you've got right hand drive then your correct



    I drew you a picture

    Ignore the baguette 🥖 of a ratchet, but you should understand pretty well

    I've no idea which way it needs to turn, but that's which way would be clockwise and counter clockwise


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    Quote Originally Posted by z_wrecker View Post
    This picture should be in every DIY! I was under the same impression that pushing it would loosen it, but I've read a few threads where people said they pulled on it rather than pushed
    Yep I was confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by pezgoon View Post
    Hmmmm no that would be clockwise, counter would be pushing it

    Unless you've got right hand drive then your correct



    I drew you a picture

    Ignore the baguette 🥖 of a ratchet, but you should understand pretty well

    I've no idea which way it needs to turn, but that's which way would be clockwise and counter clockwise


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    Wow I was totally off on that

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    I do the same thing you do. Visualize myself behind the bolt....or take a ratchet and put it in the same position so I don't just BDA (Big Dumb Animal) the crap out it
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    Yep I was confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by z_wrecker View Post
    This picture should be in every DIY! I was under the same impression that pushing it would loosen it, but I've read a few threads where people said they pulled on it rather than pushed
    Haha, thank you thank you *bows*


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    Yep I was confused
    Quote Originally Posted by westCOA4 View Post
    Wow I was totally off on that
    Quote Originally Posted by z_wrecker View Post
    I do the same thing you do. Visualize myself behind the bolt....or take a ratchet and put it in the same position so I don't just BDA (Big Dumb Animal) the crap out it
    I do the same as well in both respects that's why I wanted to draw it out to clarify it, often times I just do the ratchet in my hand like you said to make sure it's heading the right way

    I just wanna clarify, pushing the bolt may loosen it, I make no claims as to knowing whether the bolt is regular or reverse threaded, I simply wanted to show which direction was clockwise and which direction was counter clockwise

    Again, you both may be right that pushing it loosens it \_(ツ)_/



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    Quote Originally Posted by pezgoon View Post
    Hmmmm no that would be clockwise, counter would be pushing it

    Unless you've got right hand drive then your correct



    I drew you a picture

    Ignore the baguette 🥖 of a ratchet, but you should understand pretty well

    I've no idea which way it needs to turn, but that's which way would be clockwise and counter clockwise


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    Oh my god! look at the definition on the bolt! this should be hanged up in a AZ hall of fame!



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    Quote Originally Posted by wriscolf View Post
    Oh my god! look at the definition on the bolt! this should be hanged up in a AZ hall of fame!



    I am happy my twin in Colorado is up and alive!
    Hahahaha that's hand drawn too ain't no MS paint trickery

    I almost redrew it cause the ratchet came out so terrible, although I was thinking of my 3/4" ratchet since everyone says the bolt is so tight and then realized halfway through that it is not representative of what most people have for the biggest ratchet (1/2") haha

    I even drew the socket to look like this socket

    https://www.europaparts.com/camshaft...metalnerd.html

    That took me some time man! I was thinking about getting more detailed in the engine bay too but I figured it worked


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    Quote Originally Posted by pezgoon View Post
    Hahahaha that's hand drawn too ain't no MS paint trickery

    I almost redrew it cause the ratchet came out so terrible, although I was thinking of my 3/4" ratchet since everyone says the bolt is so tight and then realized halfway through that it is not representative of what most people have for the biggest ratchet (1/2") haha

    I even drew the socket to look like this socket

    https://www.europaparts.com/camshaft...metalnerd.html

    That took me some time man! I was thinking about getting more detailed in the engine bay too but I figured it worked


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    You know what! I see it now! oh wow... Lets put this in The Met (Metropolitan Museum of Art) in NYC!

    lol Pezgoon. You one cool dude. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by wriscolf View Post
    You know what! I see it now! oh wow... Lets put this in The Met (Metropolitan Museum of Art) in NYC!

    lol Pezgoon. You one cool dude. lol
    Hahahaha I could use an additional source of income


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