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    I took a vacation day today to perform a few general maintenance items on the B6. It didn't take as long as expected so i decided to play around a little with my Unisettings just to see what would happen. I turned the Channel 9 Ignition Timing Additive Offset up 5 clicks. Each click equals .75° so the total increase was 3.75°. I wasn't expecting anything dramatic.

    I got the engine up to temperature and did a hard 2nd gear pull. My butt dyno said "Holy Shit!!" I was monitoring my MAF g/s with TorquePro by placing my cellphone in the cupholder. A quick glance showed 235 g/s. Using a .8 conversion factor from g/s to chp indicates 294 chp. It really caught me off guard. I wasn't monitoring anything else like the A/F ratio or the CF's so I immediately set it back to where it was originally.

    I might play with it a little more this weekend and do a full log with the Motoza logging function to make sure I'm not doing something really stupid. Actually doing anything at all is probably really stupid since it's a high mileage daily driver that I would like to run another year or so before replacing it. But dayum, it sure felt nice!!
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    You will need at least a A/F gauge to monitor under load make sure car is not running lean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    You will need at least a A/F gauge to monitor under load make sure car is not running lean.
    TorquePro will give me the instantaneous A/F ratio. However, the sampling rate is pretty slow so I'm sure how much I can trust it.
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    Your probably better off with a stand alone gauge to be honest.All depends on your goals.
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    I think we're pretty similarly spec'd. On my current (final) revision from Dave, I hit 235-237 g/s. It surprised the crap outta me when I took a look at the logs. Didn't you say you were running a bit more on the conservative side with your tune?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    Your probably better off with a stand alone gauge to be honest.All depends on your goals.
    I have no goals other than keep my B6 running a few more years. I was just playing around to see what a little more timing would do.

    Quote Originally Posted by agentsmith988 View Post
    I think we're pretty similarly spec'd. On my current (final) revision from Dave, I hit 235-237 g/s. It surprised the crap outta me when I took a look at the logs. Didn't you say you were running a bit more on the conservative side with your tune?
    That is correct. I asked Dave to stay on the conservative side since I was working with a stock engine with 200k miles on it. The most I was seeing was 226→228 g/s. So on paper that doesn't look like much but it sure felt a lot different. Possibly the increase in torque was a bit more than the increase in HP.
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    So you're running unitronic instead of motoza now? What made you decide to switch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noldevin View Post
    So you're running unitronic instead of motoza now? What made you decide to switch?
    I'm running Motoza. I also have Unisettings so I can tweak a little if so desired.
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    Oh that's pretty cool. I didn't know they played well together

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    After all these years with the car might as well get adventurous!

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    Sounds fun Fletcher! I'd be interested to see what a proper AFR gauge would do a long with some drop in rods
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    Crank it up! I know how the button dyno feels bumping up the timing.

    Once I get my tune sorted out I'll take you for the spin like you asked! Im currently reading 419g/s on my 4.2 b6s4 MAF on Maestro. But my next move I'm getting Bische to tune it. Anxious to see what he can do for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    Sounds fun Fletcher! I'd be interested to see what a proper AFR gauge would do a long with some drop in rods
    So would I Steve but it isn’t happening for now :( Not until I pick up a new daily driver. I’ll probably just keep the B6 to play around with instead of trading or selling it. I doubt I could get more than a few thousand $$ for it and it has more entertainment value than that to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wet0willy01 View Post
    Crank it up! I know how the button dyno feels bumping up the timing.

    Once I get my tune sorted out I'll take you for the spin like you asked! Im currently reading 419g/s on my 4.2 b6s4 MAF on Maestro. But my next move I'm getting Bische to tune it. Anxious to see what he can do for me.
    Wow!! That’s some serious power, Andrew. I will see if I can find my old neck brace before we take a spin. Don’t want to risk reinjuring my neck riding in your rocket!
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    So would I Steve but it isn’t happening for now :( Not until I pick up a new daily driver. I’ll probably just keep the B6 to play around with instead of trading or selling it. I doubt I could get more than a few thousand $$ for it and it has more entertainment value than that to me.
    That's how I figure, I've thought about selling it many times but I'm now leaning towards not. I'm curious as to what your options/thoughts are on a new daily driver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    That's how I figure, I've thought about selling it many times but I'm now leaning towards not. I'm curious as to what your options/thoughts are on a new daily driver.
    Selling the B6 is a tough one these days. They are not worth much and I always look at it as hey, a car that works, why ditch it. Unless you have a problem car or just tired of it, it's worth more as a spare. I'm torn myself. I neglected my car for a while and started shopping for a newer S4 as my daily. Then I realized, I'd better refresh the car a bit, otherwise it's going to need work while I have a newer car taking my attention. So I took a break and for the past two months I've been refreshing it.

    I'd be really curious what you go for next, Fletcher. Another Audi or another make entirely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    That's how I figure, I've thought about selling it many times but I'm now leaning towards not. I'm curious as to what your options/thoughts are on a new daily driver.
    Most likely it will be a late model A5 quattro 6-speed. Just a basic chip and a few bolt-ons can get the 2.0L TSFI well north of 300 chp. That is all I need for the fun factor and also remain reliable as a daily driver. Then of course there will be shocks, springs, sway bars, brakes, whatever.....

    Modding never ends.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Most likely it will be a late model A5 quattro 6-speed. Just a basic chip and a few bolt-ons can get the 2.0L TSFI well north of 300 chp. That is all I need for the fun factor and also remain reliable as a daily driver. Then of course there will be shocks, springs, sway bars, brakes, whatever.....

    Modding never ends.....
    Ha ha fair enough! I'm staying in the Audi family myself. I was an inch short of buying a 2014 S4 Prestige with 28k mileage in January. Steal of a deal, had sport diff and everything barely used. Go figure I sleep on it for a week and finally go to buy it and it ends up having a rear sports diff failure. Apparently a manager won an award and got to pick any car for the week. I was last on record to drive the car before him and all was well. I was livid about that but kept my mouth shut because the sales guy was taking a risk to dig into what actually happened vs giving me BS. He kept me in the loop for a while but the car eventually disappeared from their inventory. These newer cars do make great power. The A5 sounds nice!
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    Torque Pro is an app correct? Do you just connect to it via a bluetooth obd2 adapter such as the Motoza BTX?
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Most likely it will be a late model A5 quattro 6-speed. Just a basic chip and a few bolt-ons can get the 2.0L TSFI well north of 300 chp. That is all I need for the fun factor and also remain reliable as a daily driver. Then of course there will be shocks, springs, sway bars, brakes, whatever.....

    Modding never ends.....
    Agreed. I currently have two other stock cars that take daily duties but my commute to work is only 10km so the BAT avant doesn't have issues tackling this. The new golf R looks quite nice, as does the golf alltrack though……
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    Did the ecm pull timing during this butt dyno fiasco? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KHARDa4 View Post
    Did the ecm pull timing during this butt dyno fiasco? :)
    I didn’t log anything. I just added some timing advance and went for a spin armed with nothing more than my TorquePro reading the MAF g/s. That would be why I was playing with fire. I just didn’t expect such a sharp increase in performance. If I decide to do it again I will log all the appropriate parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    I didn’t log anything. I just added some timing advance and went for a spin armed with nothing more than my TorquePro reading the MAF g/s. That would be why I was playing with fire. I just didn’t expect such a sharp increase in performance. If I decide to do it again I will log all the appropriate parameters.
    I would go back and log it. If there isn't excessive timing pull and the engine wasn't knocking I would leave it :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroxS4 View Post
    You will need at least a A/F gauge to monitor under load make sure car is not running lean.
    I'm not a "tuner", but I have done a lot of my own work and research and I flash cars for a well known tuner. I don't think increasing timing will offset fueling. Increasing airflow (boost) will increase fuel requirements). You would need to monitor for timing pull / corrections / knock / detonation though. I think VagCom blocks 22 & 23.

    Also, I don't know how your tuner works, but there are safety net maps built into me7.5 that account for timing reduction based on IAT & CTS temps.

    I did my own work here and ran a lot of timing and power... http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post81499532

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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    The most I was seeing was 226→228 g/s. So on paper that doesn't look like much but it sure felt a lot different. Possibly the increase in torque was a bit more than the increase in HP.
    Most likely a greater proportion torque increase to hp increase. That is where your setup is probably the most efficient - on the way to hitting its limits.
    Once your revs get up there and the breathing demands start to really matter that is where you would start to feel the hp then you run out of of headroom as your hardware limitations kick in.
    Did you take it all the way to redline like on a dyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougL View Post
    I'm not a "tuner", but I have done a lot of my own work and research and I flash cars for a well known tuner. I don't think increasing timing will offset fueling. Increasing airflow (boost) will increase fuel requirements). You would need to monitor for timing pull / corrections / knock / detonation though. I think VagCom blocks 22 & 23.

    Also, I don't know how your tuner works, but there are safety net maps built into me7.5 that account for timing reduction based on IAT & CTS temps.

    I did my own work here and ran a lot of timing and power... http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post81499532
    Right, if the ecm is going out of that 7.5* of correction then timing is to far advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4SoftWalker View Post
    Most likely a greater proportion torque increase to hp increase. That is where your setup is probably the most efficient - on the way to hitting its limits.
    Once your revs get up there and the breathing demands start to really matter that is where you would start to feel the hp then you run out of of headroom as your hardware limitations kick in.
    Did you take it all the way to redline like on a dyno?
    I ran it (unintentionally) to the 7,000 rpm rev limit. It got there a bit quicker than I had anticipated.
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    I know it comes up quick right?
    I hit redline quicker than my rev counter can react. It says I hit it at 6800 but I'm tuned for 7500. I'm thinking of going up to 7800 with my elim once I upgrade my exhaust system yet again this time once and for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BumblebVR6 View Post
    Torque Pro is an app correct? Do you just connect to it via a bluetooth obd2 adapter such as the Motoza BTX?
    Yep. An app for your Android phone. All you need to run Torquepro is a ELM327 OBDII Bluetooth transmitter ($10) and the Torquepro app through Google play store ($4.95) and you can monitor all sorts of stuff with your cell phone. You can also read, research and reset DTC’s as they occur. Pretty versatile app for minimal investment.
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    Getting to the rev limit so much faster has been the biggest adjustment for me since going with the F21. It's crazy how much faster it gets through the revs when boost doesn't taper off like with the K03!

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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Yep. An app for your Android phone. All you need to run Torquepro is a ELM327 OBDII Bluetooth transmitter ($10) and the Torquepro app through Google play store ($4.95) and you can monitor all sorts of stuff with your cell phone. You can also read, research and reset DTC’s as they occur. Pretty versatile app for minimal investment.
    I have an iphone so may have to look for an alternative. Sounds like a safer alternative than staring at a laptop in the passenger seat :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Most likely it will be a late model A5 quattro 6-speed. Just a basic chip and a few bolt-ons can get the 2.0L TSFI well north of 300 chp. That is all I need for the fun factor and also remain reliable as a daily driver. Then of course there will be shocks, springs, sway bars, brakes, whatever.....

    Modding never ends.....
    Just keep your eyes peeled for piston ring issues.

    But damn the B8 2.0t engines are SOOO sweet. My wife's stock q5 leaves my stock b7 in the dust. No contest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    Most likely it will be a late model A5 quattro 6-speed. Just a basic chip and a few bolt-ons can get the 2.0L TSFI well north of 300 chp. That is all I need for the fun factor and also remain reliable as a daily driver. Then of course there will be shocks, springs, sway bars, brakes, whatever.....

    Modding never ends.....
    Don't you already have all that now though? I suppose the package of an A5 comes with newer sleek lines.

    But, direct-injected and "no replacement for displacement"

    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    Agreed. I currently have two other stock cars that take daily duties but my commute to work is only 10km so the BAT avant doesn't have issues tackling this. The new golf R looks quite nice, as does the golf alltrack though……
    I heard Golf R is a letdown once you actually test drive it, at least in stock form. IDK though, I never drove it. Seen a few e-Golf's around though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    Just keep your eyes peeled for piston ring issues.

    But damn the B8 2.0t engines are SOOO sweet. My wife's stock q5 leaves my stock b7 in the dust. No contest...
    the verdict is in

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    Most 2.0 FSI/TSI motors I come across all have oil leak issues. Be it the upper cam/cradle assembly green sealant leaking, vacuum pump leaking, the common water pump leaking on the early plastic pumps (in addition to thermostat issues/codes). Our motors have their issues as well but are a lot simpler to repair once said issues arise.
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    The b7 FSI engines are remarkably similar to the 1.8t actually. Same water pump so the leaks there aren't any better or worse than the b6. Any leaks in the cam cradle are simple a result of the person half-assing a repair. I did mine when I replaced the cam and zero leaks from the valve cover or cam cradle.

    I'm not trying to insinuate they're bulletproof though. Mine currently has piston ring issues and burns 1qt/1200mi and has a relatively low compression for an engine with so few miles.

    That and the HPFP blew up and took out my cam and likely caused some bottom end wear.

    So basically my engine needed a rebuild at 54k miles. Yeesh.
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    OK.....I get it. You guys are just trying to make me keep by B6 a little longer, right ;-)
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    Haha. Or just not be a dummy like me and get a damn inspection.

    I feel for the "low mileage" charm assuming there was no way catastrophic damage could be possible. Whoops?

    I love the 2.0t, I just bought a bit of a lemon. Though I'll admit it's gone nearly 30k miles since my cam replacement without any other serious issues. So it's not all bad.
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    Yo CW + Fletcher,

    I was always under the impression that the late model 2.0Ts (the one on the later B8s / A5s) had many of the earlier engine issues resolved? Is this not the case?


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    They do. But the early (2009-2011) ones had major piston ring issues (recall campaign for that though). They have some PCV issues, and potentially some injector issues, but nothing particularly widespread.

    I would for sure say the b8 gen EA888 engines are a major step up from the b7's EA113. They're sort of the 1.0 version of the 2.0t. The b7 FSI one being the Public Beta...
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