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    Veteran Member Three Rings rnagy86's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    RCS200 twin organic is rated for 1122 Nm and is under $1300 euro... that seems very reasonable to me.
    Yup thats a very good one... until you launch it. Organic can't stand that heat. :D

    Anyway that would also require a new flywheel. I will see if i can fix the fz850 up and if that fails i will have to go with a rcs 200 twin 4 puck sinter one.

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    Veteran Member Three Rings okkim's Avatar
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    The RCS200 torque values are without safety limits. I have talked with Sachs Motorsport engineer, and he said me this:

    "Static torque capacity of organic clutch will be only 1122Nm. So, for street
    use + track days and the given vehicle weight, we should include a safety margin of min. 1,5. With it, the torque will decrease to 748 Nm.

    I have this:
    https://www.sachsperformance.com/de/...00-n-s2-6-s-49

    And with safety limits it will hold 1100 Nm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by okkim View Post
    The RCS200 torque values are without safety limits. I have talked with Sachs Motorsport engineer, and he said me this:

    "Static torque capacity of organic clutch will be only 1122Nm. So, for street
    use + track days and the given vehicle weight, we should include a safety margin of min. 1,5. With it, the torque will decrease to 748 Nm.

    I have this:
    https://www.sachsperformance.com/de/...00-n-s2-6-s-49

    And with safety limits it will hold 1100 Nm.
    Exactly! People tend to forget that we are driving 1.8 metric tonn cars with AWD. On fwd and 1.2t would be a completely different story.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings Shhmaudi's Avatar
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    Just read this thread, Great build Excited to see some videos and maybe a dyno sheet!


    Quote Originally Posted by okkim View Post
    The RCS200 torque values are without safety limits. I have talked with Sachs Motorsport engineer, and he said me this:

    "Static torque capacity of organic clutch will be only 1122Nm. So, for street
    use + track days and the given vehicle weight, we should include a safety margin of min. 1,5. With it, the torque will decrease to 748 Nm.

    I have this:
    https://www.sachsperformance.com/de/...00-n-s2-6-s-49

    And with safety limits it will hold 1100 Nm.
    Without getting too far off track from this build thread, How many miles, what FW, Estimated HP are you at? Have you launched it? Hows the engagement(does it catch down low or up top)/feel of the pedal?
    For sale: I have random engine parts PM me
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    Current: Silvaro B5 |1-2 collar W/Carbon Syncros 4:1 diff|AWE DTS BAR|Stern Trans|Vast Motor|034 Poly cage mount|ECS diff mount|PSS9s|Neuspeed sway/RS4 endlinks||Beetle tunes E85/91|AEM W/M|Rods|2.8 Heads/Cams|Ported intake mani|TTV FW|Custom CM B7 RS4 6 puck clutch|SRM K24's/Bi Pipes/Dps/SMIC|custom 3.5in|Fsi coilpacks|17z|Ecodes|

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    I have this set:
    http://web64.www55.hostkraft.de/gamb...ngrad-01e.html

    It is still on the shelf, so I can't answer to those questions. Sachs engineer told me that the engangement is pretty much digital.

    I have photos of the parts here: https://goo.gl/photos/fCj6ivZAuBFY5Uw38 (down below).

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    Veteran Member Three Rings rnagy86's Avatar
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    Okay, clutch is finally fixed, I had some issues with both one of the clutch disc hubs
    and the release bearing, so I got the disc fixed and installed a Tilton hydraulic release
    bearing.

    The tune still needs some love, but hopefully I don't have to pull the engine again :)


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    2.12 fats is flying! Can't wait to see progression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rnagy86 View Post
    Okay, clutch is finally fixed, I had some issues with both one of the clutch disc hubs
    and the release bearing, so I got the disc fixed and installed a Tilton hydraulic release
    bearing.

    The tune still needs some love, but hopefully I don't have to pull the engine again :)

    That looks nice! 2.25 BAR @ ~4500? That looks pretty fantastic.... Are you tapering boost, or are they out of steam?
    E36 DYNO TUNING WIRING PARTS

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    Wow bad ass. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    That looks nice! 2.25 BAR @ ~4500? That looks pretty fantastic.... Are you tapering boost, or are they out of steam?
    In 3rd gear that's what it can do, there is just no time for the PID to compensate. In 4th and above gears it does not taper that bad and spool
    is a bit better as well.


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    I forgot, is this car on S4 or RS4 gearbox?

    Very solid numbers!
    2000 Achat S4

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    It is an rs4 gearbox, it's an rs4 after all. Full weight with me in the car is around 1800kg.

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