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    Anatomy of a bagged allroad

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    As requested here’s the build thread for my allroad suspension. A lot of the system was custom made but everything is available pretty much on the open market. This will describe how to do a self made analog system that you can piece together from craigslist or ebay. It’s the cheapest and most reliable way to bag anything. I bagged my A6 Avant for less than $2K. Of course I ran into issues and made improvements when I put the system on my allroad. I’m now about $3K into the system with the hard lines, new tanks, fittings and replacement bags.

    Here’s my current setup





    Parts list

    A6 related stuff:

    Bilstien struts front and rear
    A6 rear upper shock mounts (if converting an allroad)
    A6 2.7T steering knuckles (if converting an allroad)
    A6 lower front control arms (if converting an allroad)

    allroad related stuff:

    allroad front upper control arm mount (Best one to use for front bags due to flatness)

    Air Suspension stuff:

    Universal Air Aero Sport bag over shock airbags x4 (purchased from bag riders)

    400c Viair compressors x2 (These are 50% duty cycle and work well if you don’t constantly play with the height)

    SMC air valves 3/8” x8 (4 corner fill and dump) (If you prefer slower fill and dump restrict them down to ¼”)

    AVS 7 switch panel

    30 amp automotive relay x1 (This will turn on and off the system when wired to accessory 75x in fuse panel)

    80 amp continuous relay (Compressor relay-don’t use a standard relay… it will strand
    you when the compressors melt it)

    Fittings (If you can’t figure this out by yourself you shouldn’t be doing air ride)

    DOT Nylon 3/8” air brake hose x50 feet

    150 psi pressure switch x1

    SMC 3/8” check valve (The viair ones are crap)

    SMC water trap

    Air Tank (5 gallons will work but honestly you need 10 to get an A6 off the ground in one lift, I never tried a 200 psi pressure switch with 5 gallons though. That may have worked)

    Custom bits:

    Bag perches for lower bag to strut/shocks (I bought the universal bracket kit from Bag Riders as a template and had my dad make a stainless steel perch that matched the Audi perch so that it sat on the shock clip like normal)

    Front upper bag spacers (2” to clear control arms, I blew 2 bags running without the spacers on my A6)

    Re-groove the shocks so you can adjust the bag height (use a lathe and talented machinist)


    On to the build!

    First thing I did was re-groove the shocks so that could adjust bag height. I later put more grooves in the front so that I could accommodate the 2” spacer that was made to clear the control arm mount.





    Then I made stainless steel lower bag perches.






    After that I made the spacers for the front.







    On to the wiring! I cut out some plywood to mount everything too. I originally had this plywood mounted where the spare tire was held down. I later attached it to the hardwood floor my buddy Adam made for me. I highly suggest finding a friend that’s comfortable with wiring if you are not. You can try to pay them in beer. I personally charge for this stuff.





    Here’s a few pics of the original setup in the A6 to see how it evolved…





    Next I moved onto making the floor in the back. This is optional, you can see I mounted everything in the first car to the original floor which works fine.








    Here’s the tank setup… At first I couldn’t figure out how I wanted the tanks to sit. I decided to put them next to each other to simplify the hard lines.



    Last edited by sureguy; 06-09-2012 at 12:44 PM.
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    The next thing I worked on was the hard lines. I bought stainless 316 fittings from mcmaster.com and a place in Baton Rouge for the through floor bulkhead fittings. The actual line came from Amazon. I also bought a Swagelok 3/8” bender from ebay.














    Thanks for looking at the first installment. I’ll get some pictures of the underfloor and strut setups this weekend. Stay tuned!
    Last edited by sureguy; 06-09-2012 at 03:35 PM.
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    Btw this setup started life on a scion xb. I bought all the basics used for $400.
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    Ok so I finally took some shots of the suspension on the car. Here they are…

    Front Strut setup with upper 2” spacer. I moved the strut clip down 1.25” in order for the bag to fully collapse and hit the internal stop. I made extra grooves to play with the setup. BTW I did NOT cut holes in the strut tower like a lot have to get low. I feel like I am low enough and will not cut up my car to get a little lower. I also feel like I have found the right components to get the look I want.





    Here is the rear bag setup. I moved the bag 1” up from the stock clip location and that allows me to tuck the rim and still get good height when aired up.


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    For my compressor setup I mounted them to the side of my spare tire well with Mercedes 126 450SEL air cleaner mounts. This is the only part of the car I drilled to do my setup. My spare was too big in diameter to run so I didn’t feel bad about getting rid of it. I did get a fifth wheel to match my Hamann PG1’s so I will use that as a spare and maybe put on the roof basket for long trips.

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    Love your allroad.. Love the color too.. Is that a stock color? Please, keep the pics coming....
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    Yes its a stock color although they only made 10 in this color as it was a special car for the 2002 winter olympics. It's called sprint blue.
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    impressive...

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    Nice setup you got there.
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    Wow those brackets are awesome. Actually everything about your setup is. Great work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rali@BagRiders View Post
    Wow those brackets are awesome. Actually everything about your setup is. Great work!
    Thanks! The next thing I'm working on is a making a plate with fittings for where the factory compressor filter goes. Currently I am running my lines through the existing hole which is fine for the summer but I want to design a plate that bolts in place with PTC fittings on both sides. That way everyting is servicable. That will complete my setup nicely. BTW are you the one who keeps posting my AR on the bag riders FB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sureguy View Post
    Thanks! The next thing I'm working on is a making a plate with fittings for where the factory compressor filter goes. Currently I am running my lines through the existing hole which is fine for the summer but I want to design a plate that bolts in place with PTC fittings on both sides. That way everyting is servicable. That will complete my setup nicely. BTW are you the one who keeps posting my AR on the bag riders FB?
    Sounds like a good idea. I definitely want to see that, and yeah I am the one who runs the FB page.
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    I love this car, you're basically living my dream right now, I've always wanted to do this to an allroad. The setup looks great. But, keep an eye on those rear bags! I'm sure you know this, but you really don't want anything touching the bags.

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    I havent found a better universal bag yet. If you have a suggestion let me know. As far as rubbage only the rounded part of the control arm rubs on certain occasions. On my way back from Wuste i hit a dip 10 miles from home and bottomed the car out at full height causing the exhaust to send out sparks. My buddy behind me hit his oil pan so it was a serious dip. Before this dip ive never seen rub marks on the rear bags. I'm sure compressing a fully inflated bag will cause it to baloon out all funny lol. Oh well.
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    Yeah, the rear suspension on those cars is a challenge for sure. You may want to talk to Air Lift, I think they have a solution (or one in the works) for the C5 A6 that uses bags a lot smaller in diameter than the Universals.

    Either that, or I bet you could do something fancy with the OEM rear bags using shorter shocks. Also, Arnott makes a rear bag upgrade for the allroad that uses Bilsteins, I bet if you sent them your shocks they could build you a "shorty" version of their rear suspension.
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    I am running airlift XL fronts and airlft universal rears (not sure of the part number at the moment) The rear bags work pretty good, but they are only rated at 750lbs each, so i end up running 120 psi to get almost 1 finger gap. I would prefer to have more lift and have a few ideas i'll be trying this fall. In the meantime I am happy with the ride quality. Better than oem.



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    Thats why i regrooved the shocks. In the rear i moved the perch up an inch to retain proper lift.
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    Nice ar btw! When i wanted to bag mine i couldn't find anyone that had done it but after i did mine they started come out of the woodwork. Too funny. Did you swap out your front uprights?
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    Thanks! I like what you have done as well! I've always had a soft spot for the Olympic Edition

    I modified the oem setup last summer (2011) and then installed the airlift setup in march (2012). I havent swapped my front uprights. I do have a set however.


    Its nice seeing some others start to mess with them.
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    Your car looks amazing man! im trying to get my airlift kit in the near future and your car most definitely motivates me to get it a lot quicker

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    I'm just interested in knowing how much you spent on universal as opposed to a kit?

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    A little under 3500 for everything but thats purely parts prices. I did everything myself so i saved a bunch of money there.
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    I can't believe I just found this now! You put in some good work on this beast. Totally solidified my desire for an Allroad next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sureguy View Post
    A little under 3500 for everything but thats purely parts prices. I did everything myself so i saved a bunch of money there.
    I have a question about that, i really want to bag my allroad when I get it in a few weeks, wouldnt it be a little easier to get all the needed A6 components and use a kit like this? http://dorbritzdesigns-com.myshopify...6-s6-front-kit

    or would you still recommend to do it your way?

    thanks

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    This looks really good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggedmk5 View Post
    I have a question about that, i really want to bag my allroad when I get it in a few weeks, wouldnt it be a little easier to get all the needed A6 components and use a kit like this? http://dorbritzdesigns-com.myshopify...6-s6-front-kit

    or would you still recommend to do it your way?

    thanks

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    You could do it that way. My way was cheaper and i could piece it all together.
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    I know that you pieced yours together, but are there any kits that are pre-packaged to convert the stock air-ride into something similar to what you have?

    also, do you think you could post a picture of your maximum height? Ideally there would be a setup that would drop the car nicely, but not lose the stock max height - basically just lower the 'low' setting on the stock suspension (more than the existing vag-com mods).

    I'm looking for a new project and i don't think I'd want an a'lroad as low as yours, but one that is 'normal' aftermarket springs looking in the low setting with the option of moving all the way up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martini View Post
    I know that you pieced yours together, but are there any kits that are pre-packaged to convert the stock air-ride into something similar to what you have?

    also, do you think you could post a picture of your maximum height? Ideally there would be a setup that would drop the car nicely, but not lose the stock max height - basically just lower the 'low' setting on the stock suspension (more than the existing vag-com mods).

    I'm looking for a new project and i don't think I'd want an a'lroad as low as yours, but one that is 'normal' aftermarket springs looking in the low setting with the option of moving all the way up.
    The best way to do it for what you're looking for is to use airlift style sleeve bags or chapman universals. Those get the most lift. My setup is for max low. I could easily raise the bags to get what you're looking for.
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    do you have a picture of what the max high is? I'm thinking like this height on the low side...but then 'stock high' on the high side




    that is really the lowest I can tolerate - it rubs as it is
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    Check it out on youtube....
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    Keep in mind i was driving pretty low in the video. I cant drive super low due to my wheel offset. It rubs my flares real bad.
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