If you sold your S, what would you buy around the same price + AWD?

[nJoy]

I'd get a WRX

[Austonwerner4]

Id get a Legacy GT

[sherbet]

^that is good advice. This debate has been had so many times and it always seems like the best options for replacing a B5 S4 would be a Cayenne Turbo/996TT. Now, obviously we dont all have the money for that...its just hard to think about a car that has the same character as the B5. It really is an awesome size, looks great, and performs awesomely for what it is....keep her!!

[udcc11]

Move to Europe and get an RS3

[Aggv]

Move to Europe and get an RS3

I'd look for a Rallye Golf, RS4, Evo 1-6, R32 Skyline, or a 4door Golf R32. RS3 is a cool car tho.

[bgzs4]

Wrx avant :)

[epyx]

I would trade my S4 for a mk4 R32 in a second.

No red tho.

Just wanted to say I feel the same way. Dream garage? S4 Sedan with r32 motor swap, S4 avant with the 2.7t.

Edit, I wouldn't mind a Legacy or maybe a Forester either.

[The_Auto_Tech]

For me there isn't a good replacement yet, especially for the money. With a good amount more yes, there are options. The biggest thing most cars lack is a good interior that isn't all plastic. That's probably my favorite thing about the S4 is that the interior still looks amazing and doesn't feel "old."

[Aggv]

Just wanted to say I feel the same way. Dream garage? S4 Sedan with r32 motor swap, S4 avant with the 2.7t.

Edit, I wouldn't mind a Legacy or maybe a Forester either.

Try this on; S4 Avant, OEM RS4 wide body, turbo VR swap

That would be my dream B5.

[VinNyS4]

went from my 2 stage 3 s4' to this

best move I ever made going to a evo.
500whp on straight 93 octane on 27psi, full interior/factory car , stock block, lowww 11s high 10s car with 125+ traps, way more reliable and "cheaper"then my s4's

[bgzs4]

Post interior pics :(

[VinNyS4]

Post interior pics :(

interior is no where near as bad as people "claim" it to be
i didnt clean it in the pic but its just to get a idea and its basically all factory

[antisparkplug]

One of the reasons I switched from my Mustang Cobra to my S4 was because I wanted something nice to drive around every day. The Cobra was super fast for relatively not that much money, but having a conversation in that car, or doing anything else except going fast, was pretty difficult. The same goes for hopped up WRXs and EVOs.. however, I feel like it is possible to build a S4 with the best of both worlds. Yes, it'll cost more money, but in the end, you've got a multi-dimensional car.

[bgzs4]

Precisely.

[RedRocketS4]

Yeah no on the SAABs lol. What do you guys think about the X5 4.4L? Or the g35x sedans?

X5 4.4L = run far away. I have one. I love the way it handles (for an SUV) and the space, comfort, and overall luxury of it are uncompromisable. However, and that's a HUGE HOWEVER, the maintenance and issues we have with it are far more than the s4. While it does have a timing chain instead of a belt, the timing chain guide rails are made of a really cheap plastic and are known to fail on a regular basis. Preventative maintenance on that is either DIY for ~$1k in parts/tools and 20hrs labor or pay ~$3-4k. the VANOS units are also known to rattle/fail. While, they aren't going to do any damage to the engine if failed, the noise it just annoying. The transmission is known to slip/act wierd randomly. The 4.4L all came with the air ride suspension that is known to fail, which is about $1000-1500 in parts alone. To switch to a coil suspension can be done, but there is no way to delete the code from the software. and it gets shit gas mileage.

If I were to recommend an X5, it would be the 3.0L inline 6. While that engine has it's own issues, it can be made bullet proof for much cheaper (Dr. VANOS, sensors, and coolant system maintenance). There are many out there without the air bag suspension. They get better gas mileage (about 23 mpg hwy). And you can still run some big ass 20" x 11.5" wheels in the back.

[00SantorinS4]

Rocket, thanks so much for the info on the 4.4 X5. Will def stay away from it. Right now I'm fixing up the random shit wrong with the S4 so who knows.. maybe I'll keep it but its just costing me $$ on a constant basis!
I'm completely stock too and the car just doesn't feel right. I think I'm going to change the plugs again.

[fshowcars]

interior is no where near as bad as people "claim" it to be
i didnt clean it in the pic but its just to get a idea and its basically all factory

holy ebrake sweep son... wahts up with that, did you remove rear brakes for weight reduction? lol

interior is pretty poor my man... looks like a freaking mk3 jetta, how about the cluster and hte actual dash?

[Max@034]

My next car is already decided;

A3 VR6 DSG with a 6262. Some brakes, some V3's, done.

Basically, I want to murder my coworker and steal his A3 VR6-T DSG... 350whp @ under 10psi. Sounds like a freakin Lambo.

[rebelbowtie]

holy ebrake sweep son... wahts up with that, did you remove rear brakes for weight reduction? lol

interior is pretty poor my man... looks like a freaking mk3 jetta, how about the cluster and hte actual dash?

Looks comparable to my 98 corolla I just sold

[VinNyS4]

holy ebrake sweep son... wahts up with that, did you remove rear brakes for weight reduction? lol

interior is pretty poor my man... looks like a freaking mk3 jetta, how about the cluster and hte actual dash?

loll yeh bro how u think i dynoed 500whp?? no rear brakes!!!!
Nah actually it needs to be adjusted

never said it was "beautiful"..damn bro i didnt know your mk3 jetta had recaros though? pretty sickk!! Im sure its better then ur 11year old b5 worn out cracked up faded leather.

[Max@034]

never said it was "beautiful"..damn bro i didnt know your mk3 jetta had recaros? pretty sickk!!

MK2 did!

[rebelbowtie]

loll yeh bro how u think i dynoed 500whp?? no rear brakes!!!!
Nah actually it needs to be adjusted

never said it was "beautiful"..damn bro i didnt know your mk3 jetta had recaros though? pretty sickk!! Im sure its better then ur 11year old b5 worn out cracked up faded leather.

someone sounds bitter

[The_Auto_Tech]

I myself don't mind the WRX or Evo, but wouldn't want to drive one every day. The biggest thing they lack is a decent interior, and to me that's a huge deal breaker. That one thing pretty much rules out every Japanese or American vehicle because it seems like only European car companies give a damn about interior quality. If I were to have to get another manual, AWD, and reasonably quick car I'd either shoot for an allroad or a S60R/V70R.

[Low Flyer]

[QUOTE=Max@034;7545285]My next car is already decided;

A3 VR6 DSG with a 6262. Some brakes, some V3's, done.

Basically, I want to murder my coworker and steal his A3 VR6-T DSG... 350whp @ under 10psi.

^^^THIS!!!!

[ride1157]

MK4 R32, Volvo S60 R, WRX.

[8520]

C5 4.2 hands down. Widebody is amazing in person. Only weak point is the tranny which you can swap for an o1e anyways. Hell, a few 6mt c5 4.2's have been popping up for sale recently too.

[NogaroWonda00]

I bought a Cherokee SRT8....

Certainly a lot more expensive than a b5 s4. But I like it, it's quick, parts are relitively cheap, and it's bigger.


I'm happy. It's been 2 years now...

Edit; needed pics... And its the fastest suv you can buy (well unless you wanna drop 60+k on a new srt8..)

[foxtrot121]

C5 4.2 hands down. Widebody is amazing in person. Only weak point is the tranny which you can swap for an o1e anyways. Hell, a few 6mt c5 4.2's have been popping up for sale recently too.

S6? Or regular v8 a6?

[exogen]

S6? Or regular v8 a6?

Both have widebody, s6 came in avant only tho in the states. And will run you about 12k vs 6-8k for a c5 a6 4.2.

edit* s6 also has the 340hp v8 vs the 300hp c5 a6, also s6 has the carbon fiber int. and what not.

[Aggv]

C5 S6 Avant + RS6 side skirts + very "open" exhaust = automotive goodness.

[foxtrot121]

Damn it. Now I want an S6....

[howardfootball]

Most likely my next car will be a Volvo S60R or V70R. Maybe a B8 if I have the funds.

[coolgraymemo]

I bought a Cherokee SRT8....

Certainly a lot more expensive than a b5 s4. But I like it, it's quick, parts are relitively cheap, and it's bigger.


I'm happy. It's been 2 years now...

Edit; needed pics... And its the fastest suv you can buy (well unless you wanna drop 60+k on a new srt8..)

My twenty year old cousin just bought one of these. Sounds, drives, and looks awesome. His insurance is through the roof though.

[00SantorinS4]

The SRT8 Cherokees are F'kin sick and def considered purchasing one. Again, I don't really have like 25 -30k to drop though so it's a bit out of my range lol.

[juntsky]

My twenty year old cousin just bought one of these. Sounds, drives, and looks awesome. His insurance is through the roof though.

preeeetty sure the new cayenne turbo is way faster than the SRT8...

[rebelbowtie]

preeeetty sure the new cayenne turbo is way faster than the SRT8...

pretty sure the TBSS could take an SRT8 cherokee as well

[NogaroWonda00]

My twenty year old cousin just bought one of these. Sounds, drives, and looks awesome. His insurance is through the roof though.

Lol...my insurance is 98$ a month for full coverage, so not too shabby. I haven't had a moving violation for 5 years now....

[NogaroWonda00]

pretty sure the TBSS could take an SRT8 cherokee as well

TBSS is much slower than the jeep, stock on stock it's like taking candy from a baby.. But the LS motors like mods, but then again so does the 6.1L in the jeep (although the transmission doesn't particularly like it... )

preeeetty sure the new cayenne turbo is way faster than the SRT8...

Nope, srt8 is quicker than a turbo S cayenne I've seen it with my own eyes thru my rear view and if you must go there I'm sure the NEW 6.4L powered srt8 is faster than a brand new cayenne turbo.

Only complaint I have is that all of the above are auto's..I really would love to ditch the awd, and toss a t56 6 speed out of the challenger in there! Would be fun, and would eliminate the trans headache when it's really modified

Mines been stock, and only had two issues over the two years of ownership.. Valve cover and a gasket had to be replaced (under warranty) and the theromstat stuck shut a couple months ago and split the upper radiator hose.. ~280$ (t stat was 20$ housing was 50$, hose was 110$) so coming from a stage 3+ b5 it's been a breeze!!

[WMi_S4]

I just picked up a MKIV R32 for a DD. Super excited, took me a month to find a clean low mileage one but they look and sound amazing and handle like a gokart. Their seats also put our S4 seats to shame!!!

[rebelbowtie]

TBSS is much slower than the jeep, stock on stock it's like taking candy from a baby.. But the LS motors like mods, but then again so does the 6.1L in the jeep (although the transmission doesn't particularly like it... )

TBSS run high 13's and low 14's which is about the same as an SRT8 cherokee so i wouldnt say its taking candy from a baby. mod for mod i would have my money on the LS2 as well but this is all bench racing, i own neither vehicle.

also Porsche Cayenne

Grand Cherokee SRT8 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
0-30 (sec): 1.8 1.8
0-45 (sec): 3.2 3.1
0-60 (sec): 5.1 4.6
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.8 4.3
0-75 (sec): 7.5 6.7
1/4-mile (sec @ mph): 13.6 @ 101.8 12.8 @ 109

30-0 (ft): 28 27
60-0 (ft): 112 108
Skid pad lateral accel (g): 0.87 0.94
Slalom 67.2 67.0