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    Senior Member Three Rings ms3008's Avatar
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    Well I popped by the dealer today to check out if I've been flagged and true enough I've been flagged as TD1 with just 15,000km. I've not been to the dealer for a while now so I guess the system was probably up and running for some time. I only have an ECU chip.

    Anyway you guys should check it too. Oh well..it sucks but I'll have to accept the fact that there is a risk having mods like this..
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    There have always been some risks in ECU tunes. Hence the reason why I didn't do this until my warranty was up, wasn't willing to accept the 'risks' of playing that game.
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    Would doing any other vagcom stuff like windows up/down with key fob or turning the wink off for enable vim flag in their system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinX404 View Post
    Would doing any other vagcom stuff like windows up/down with key fob or turning the wink off for enable vim flag in their system?
    dont think anything done with vag would be grounds for voiding the warranty.

    For example if you get a USA car with no DRL, you can go in vag com to enable DRL's. Would not make sense to void the warranty for going in and enabling a safety feature.

    But who knows ... stranger things have happened!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinX404 View Post
    Would doing any other vagcom stuff like windows up/down with key fob or turning the wink off for enable vim flag in their system?
    I don't think via the automated detection that is going on in the background but some of the flagging is being done discretionarily by the dealer...for things that are obvious but can't be detected by software (intakes, exhaust etc). There is always a chance that a dealer is having a bad day and decides to flag you for Vag-Com mods. However, being TD1 isn't a death sentence for your entire car. It just means that additional approval (from HQ) and scrutiny will occur for certain warranty work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinX404 View Post
    Would doing any other vagcom stuff like windows up/down with key fob or turning the wink off for enable vim flag in their system?
    no... coding doesn't change the binary file...

    the TD1 flag is done when the VAS is connected via OBD port (which all VAG technicians have to do to get paid for warranty work), and it does a comparison of the flashed file on the ECU to an original... if it doesn't match the flag gets automatically set in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    no... coding doesn't change the binary file...

    the TD1 flag is done when the VAS is connected via OBD port (which all VAG technicians have to do to get paid for warranty work), and it does a comparison of the flashed file on the ECU to an original... if it doesn't match the flag gets automatically set in that case.
    Thanks for the info. Appreciate it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cory_can View Post
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    quotes from other audi club members.

    I went to see a friend (& salesman) of mine at Audi Prestige and he assured me that STASIS has Audi's agreement to make changes etc. ....
    and it dosen't alter the warranty! He also sited that Audi PFAFF Toronto even advertise on their site!
    Can you believe it?

    STaSIS products purchased and installed by a certified STaSIS dealer are covered for labor and
    consequential damage by a 4-year/50,000-mile warranty that runs concurrently with the standard factory warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeporto View Post
    quotes from other audi club members.

    I went to see a friend (& salesman) of mine at Audi Prestige and he assured me that STASIS has Audi's agreement to make changes etc. ....
    and it dosen't alter the warranty! He also sited that Audi PFAFF Toronto even advertise on their site!
    Can you believe it?

    STaSIS products purchased and installed by a certified STaSIS dealer are covered for labor and
    consequential damage by a 4-year/50,000-mile warranty that runs concurrently with the standard factory warranty.
    That's total BS. Audi put out a press release last year saying that they don't endorse or recommend STaSIS or any 3rd party tunes or parts. Installing them will void your warranty for that part and if you have any problems then you need to follow up with the company you bought the part from. The STaSIS warranty doesn't run concurrently with the Audi warranty. The Audi warranty for that part becomes void after the STaSIS part is installed so the STaSIS warranty replaces it. You need to go through STaSIS to get the warranty issue resolved, Audi will not help you with that.

    STaSIS says that they will cover your repair costs if Audi voids your warranty becuase of a STaSIS part that you installed. However, Audi has nothing to do with STaSIS and has no business relationship with them. Some dealers may sell and install parts but that's up to them and does not implay any indorsement of STaSIS by Audi.

    Date: October 5, 2011

    To: Dealer Principals, General Mgrs., Sales Mgrs., Service Mgrs., Parts Mgrs., CPO Mgrs., Warranty Administrators

    From: Peter Donnellan; Mark Del Rosso

    Subject: Aftermarket Vendors and the Audi Warranty Policy



    Dear Audi Dealer:

    Recently, there has been some discussion surrounding Audi dealer participation with aftermarket suppliers, particularly in regards to STaSIS Engineering, a company that is currently selling its products through more than 80 Audi Dealerships in North America. Audi believes that for some customers, the availability of aftermarket accessories at the dealership can help drive enthusiasm for our products. At the same time, our S and RS lines do fulfill most customers’ desires for added performance and custom features. For customers who do wish vehicle modifications offered by STaSIS through our dealers, we believe it is imperative to have a clear understanding of our mutual responsibilities.

    Audi’s policy on aftermarket products and specifically STaSIS has been in place for some time:

    1. Neither Audi of America, nor its affiliated companies, recognize ANY aftermarket supplier of performance parts as a “partner,” preferred vendor, or approved tuner. More specifically, no aftermarket supplier is currently approved, endorsed or otherwise sanctioned by Audi of America, or any of its affiliated companies. Regarding STaSIS, we have and will continue to work with them to make this clear in their marketing and communications.

    2. Audi does not warrant any aftermarket parts, accessories, alterations, modifications or consequential damage to the vehicle due to modifications. We understand that STaSIS provides warranty coverage on its products that is comparable to Audi’s own coverage. While it is true that we specify in our warranty system when a car has been altered with STaSIS parts, this information is provided to enable faster diagnostic capability, better customer service and transfer of coverage to STaSIS if a claim is necessary. Through proper communication, we expect that under no circumstance will a customer be delayed or denied repair in situations involving STaSIS and Audi products when repair is appropriate.


    3. Dealers that actively promote the sale of and/or installation of aftermarket parts to Audi-brand vehicles that are still under the manufacturer’s new car limited warranty, or under a certified pre-owned limited warranty MUST inform their customers that the addition of aftermarket parts and accessories may void such limited warranty as to any aspect of the vehicle which may have been affected by such alterations or modifications. In the case of STaSIS products, the customer may have rights under a STaSIS warranty.

    4. Consistent with this, Audi cannot take responsibility for legal liabilities related to STaSIS or other supplier products. Audi of America may refuse to defend or indemnify Dealers where the sale and/or installation of ANY aftermarket tuning parts and accessories is a factor in a “lemon law” and/or warranty claim. Audi of America may also refuse to defend or indemnify such Dealers for product liability claims and may seek indemnification from such Dealer in the event that warranty or product liability claims are brought against Audi where the presence of such aftermarket parts may have reasonably contributed to the circumstances giving rise to such claims. In the case of STaSIS products, the Dealer is referred to the STaSIS Release of Liability document that requires customer signature at the sale of any STaSIS product.

    5. Of course neither Audi nor its dealers can participate in modifications of our vehicles that adversely affect compliance with safety or emissions regulations. This is reflected in Article 5 of the Audi Dealer Agreement Standard Provisions.

    Finally, the history that Audi of America enjoys with STaSIS has been and continues to be positive. We realize that a segment of the Audi customer base will continue to request customization of their Audi vehicles. Please be advised that those customers and Dealers that choose to use aftermarket parts from STaSIS need to be informed and understand the clear delineation between the responsibilities of Audi of America and those of STaSIS Engineering.

    Please contact your local Audi representative if you have any questions regarding these matters.

    Sincerely,



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    Peter Donnellan
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    thnks for clearin the air
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    Poor B8 S4 guys wont be pulling on B7 RS4's anymore LOL.

    In all seriousness what a buzz kill. I wonder if BMW will follow suit with all the 335 mods.

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    Just a matter of time if BMW doesn't have a system to detect ECU tunes automatically. BMW isn't any different than Audi, or anybody really, if a tech determines that the ECU's been modified, then the VIN number is flagged in the system. So until this happens, I guess that going to a mod friendly dealer is their only option for warranty work, or just get a Dinan (like Stasis) where they provide the warranty coverage and not BMW.
    Mike

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