Pros and cons.... I need ideas and criticism...

[A6Avant]

Ok so here is the current plan... For my 180,000 mile or 300,000km 2.8L Avant w/ tip.

Get a wrecked allroad with the 2.7T 6spd and while its out of the donor do a complete teardown and rebuild for a proper stage 3 then implant it into the Avant. (its still in top shape and has the third row seats which I need and is hard to find here hence the swap on a 300k car.

OR...

Get a 4.2 with 6spd from a B6 A4 and swap that in...

OR...

Get a 2.8 with much less km's. do a 6sdp swap on her and a custom TT....

Please give me any and all ideas...

And before you offer 'just get an allroad' or S6...

The allroad is not the look I want and even harder to find with the third row seat...

And the S6 never came with the 3rd row seat...

S please the day is coming very close now that I have to make a decision.... Im likely going 2.7T 6spd swap as it is the easiest and most affordable... But my fellow C5 members ideas would be most welcome.

Thanks, Jeremy

[Audi4.2]

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[Vinchenzo51]

Im likely going 2.7T 6spd swap as it is the easiest and most affordable... But my fellow C5 members ideas would be most welcome.

Thanks, Jeremy

I think you have the right idea there. I'll second your choice for 2.7T 6sp into the avant.

[A6Avant]

Thanks for the positive wink Marcel but ideas?

Seriously guys... I want to know your thoughts...

I want a one of a kind family car that is just bloody beautiful... That can seat all three of my kids and my wife with our dog and an extra kid because we always have one with us...

But I want it to be Euro....

I want it to be sexy....

I want it to be rare....

I want it to be a 6spd....

I want to eat mustangs off the line and blow them away on the hiways...

I want it to be a Eurowagon....

I can't think of a single better looking Eurowagon then the C5 when done correctly...

The body by the way is going wide and I am looking for a OEM RS6 skirts and bumpers as we speak....

I was going to do it all rather quickly but I have decided to take it off the road here in April and start to dismantle and collect every part to make it perfect and have it finished and put back together for next season...

[A6Avant]

Vince you have the 2.7T... You are a well known and respected member here...

What would you do on a true and correct 2.7T build... Imagine the engine and tranny completely out of the car on proper stands with all the time and room in the world to build... What would you do? Another question why would you go 2.7T vs. the 4.2? The economy really wont be any better especially in a stage 3.

[Street Nasty]

The 4.2 from the D2 S8/S6 would be better for a lighter car like the b5 a4/s4. Go with 2.7t and 6speed since parts are plenty to find when looking for a crashed donor vehicle. Plus, if you like to drive in the mountains, etc. the forced induction is better for high altitudes.

[A6Avant]

For Dre...

The plan is a complete 2.7T w/ 6spd swap from a allroad but with a running TDI 6th gear from Germany for economy and cruising. rebuild from the ground up for a proper stage 3 introduction.

Body will be going wide with RS6 bumpers and side skirts hopefully. The new color is yet to be decided.

Complete interior tear out and refinish. With (hopefully) Recaro RS6 rear seats and Recaro Sportster CS fronts. I am hoping for a Burnt Orange leather interior with Paino Black mouldings....

Blistine suspension...

Porsche Cayenne S BBK front and rear...

And my dream wheels Rotiform 3 piece Super Concave Deep Dish NUE's


I know its dumping 20K into a 2000 C5 but it would literally be a new car. And a completely one of a kind that would be hard to match... All for the price of a new civic.... And A LOT of patience and hard work.

So that's the dream....

But Im looking for any ideas that might be more out of the box that would be interesting and unique...

[8520]

Well if you wanted unique, you could always go 5cyl with a BAT.

If I was in your situation, I would choose the path of least resistance which is the 6spd 2.7t with KO4's or the like.

If you want a different unique idea, go the route of tozom8 and do an s8 motor with a 6spd swap, tdi 6th and ko3's ;)

[Vinchenzo51]

Vince you have the 2.7T... You are a well known and respected member here...

What would you do on a true and correct 2.7T build... Imagine the engine and tranny completely out of the car on proper stands with all the time and room in the world to build... What would you do? Another question why would you go 2.7T vs. the 4.2? The economy really wont be any better especially in a stage 3.

Goals with the car would be a big deciding factor for power. Let me tell you how MY PERSONAL swap went.

I swapped in a junkyard 2.7T/01E combo into my car. Roughly 2 months later, the supposedly "good" clutch blew. So tranny out for a clutch/flywheel. Roughly 3 months after that, locked out 1-2 shift collar. So tranny out once again for a rebuild. (Don't make my mistakes lol)

For motor, the three popular choices would be Frankenturbos, Tials, or K04's. FT's are still relatively new and are ever so slowly popping up with issues. Tials are AMAZING turbos, but to really see the full potential, you'd need to rebuild the motor (fresh rods primarily).

So, to answer your questions specifically. If it were me, rebuild the tranny while its out, also a fresh clutch and flywheel combo. Then, i'd go with a tried and true K04 stage 3 build (add meth if you want the extra little punch). I like the K04's over the Tial for practicality reasons (quicker spool, lower torque). The Tial cars are monsters but its definitely a little later power. EPL pumps out mid 400whp K04 cars all the time which is only slightly less then a non built 605 car.

As far as why the 2.7T over the 4.2. Ask any B5 guy running stage 3, most will tell you they stayed the same (in regards to MPG) and some will say MPG improved. Also, the power options for a 2.7T are much more accessible over the 4.2.

If time/money weren't much option, rebuild motor w/ upgraded rods and go the Tial route. But a proper 770 build would be 20-25k... 605s maybe in the teens.

[$teady$upreme]

I would stick with your original plan 2.7T with 6sp tranny.

The V8 from B6 is kinda a weak sauce comparing to all the other S platform, but i have to admit that they sound badass.

2.8L TT will probably has more work than the 2.7T swap. I would still go with the 2.7T with 6sp tranny.

With the RS6 wide body and the go fast mods, this car is really all show all go.

I am trying to hunt for a B6 USP 1.8T avant as well, but just missed a chance to get it. And i am planning to run the NUE too even though i haven't found a USP B6 yet lol. Currently have the BLQ on my B5 and love them.

[JediJoker7169]

Well if you wanted unique, you could always go 5cyl with a BAT.

Assuming that's legal in B.C. Can't swap in an engine that's older than the car here in California. Would be awesome, though.

[8520]

Nothing quite like the sound of a 5cyl banging off the rev limiter....

[02 A6 2.7T]

Ok so here is the current plan... For my 180,000 mile or 300,000km 2.8L Avant w/ tip.

Get a wrecked allroad with the 2.7T 6spd and while its out of the donor do a complete teardown and rebuild for a proper stage 3 then implant it into the Avant. (its still in top shape and has the third row seats which I need and is hard to find here hence the swap on a 300k car.

OR...

Get a 4.2 with 6spd from a B6 A4 and swap that in...

OR...

Get a 2.8 with much less km's. do a 6sdp swap on her and a custom TT....

Please give me any and all ideas...

And before you offer 'just get an allroad' or S6...

The allroad is not the look I want and even harder to find with the third row seat...

And the S6 never came with the 3rd row seat...

S please the day is coming very close now that I have to make a decision.... Im likely going 2.7T 6spd swap as it is the easiest and most affordable... But my fellow C5 members ideas would be most welcome.

Thanks, Jeremy

Unless you need/want the spare wagon body parts, there's no need to go with an allroad as the donor vehicle. You do not (and may not be able to) use the allroad front axles. An A6 sedan with the 2.7T MT6 would be a better choice for a donor as the gear ratios are better (look at my sig and ask me how I know), and is probably easier to locate (assuming they were sold in Canada).
I've even acquired an A6 rear diff from a 6MT car in anticipation of changing the gear ratios when I complete the stage 3 upgrade.

[A6Avant]

Unless you need/want the spare wagon body parts, there's no need to go with an allroad as the donor vehicle. You do not (and may not be able to) use the allroad front axles. An A6 sedan with the 2.7T MT6 would be a better choice for a donor as the gear ratios are better (look at my sig and ask me how I know), and is probably easier to locate (assuming they were sold in Canada).
I've even acquired an A6 rear diff from a 6MT car in anticipation of changing the gear ratios when I complete the stage 3 upgrade.

This is a valid point... I am researching it at the moment. I think I would still go allroad and thenswap the rear later if need be. As the allroad parts are also of HIGH interest to me. I need a dozen other parts that an allroad has so if im goning to get a wreck I might as well get one and be done with it.

As for if they were available in canada... I have been told that they were special order only. i have NEVER seen one in my life. I have only ever seen 3 allroads with the 6spd... I will be bringing in one from WA or OR USofA...

[A6Avant]

Goals with the car would be a big deciding factor for power. Let me tell you how MY PERSONAL swap went.

I swapped in a junkyard 2.7T/01E combo into my car. Roughly 2 months later, the supposedly "good" clutch blew. So tranny out for a clutch/flywheel. Roughly 3 months after that, locked out 1-2 shift collar. So tranny out once again for a rebuild. (Don't make my mistakes lol)

For motor, the three popular choices would be Frankenturbos, Tials, or K04's. FT's are still relatively new and are ever so slowly popping up with issues. Tials are AMAZING turbos, but to really see the full potential, you'd need to rebuild the motor (fresh rods primarily).

So, to answer your questions specifically. If it were me, rebuild the tranny while its out, also a fresh clutch and flywheel combo. Then, i'd go with a tried and true K04 stage 3 build (add meth if you want the extra little punch). I like the K04's over the Tial for practicality reasons (quicker spool, lower torque). The Tial cars are monsters but its definitely a little later power. EPL pumps out mid 400whp K04 cars all the time which is only slightly less then a non built 605 car.

As far as why the 2.7T over the 4.2. Ask any B5 guy running stage 3, most will tell you they stayed the same (in regards to MPG) and some will say MPG improved. Also, the power options for a 2.7T are much more accessible over the 4.2.

If time/money weren't much option, rebuild motor w/ upgraded rods and go the Tial route. But a proper 770 build would be 20-25k... 605s maybe in the teens.

Vince. Thankyou for all the info.

that is pretty much what I was thinkning....

Im not trying to build a monster... So a proper simple meth-less Stage 3 with KO4's looks like the way Ill go. I will be replacing the clutch and flywheel while its out along with the TB and all teh pullies and pumps coilpack PS pump everything.... Just want it NEW. Im planning to tear the entire block down and rebuild it completely all ne everything! Same with the tranny. I have to anyway since Im polanning to do teh EURO TDI 6th gear...

I dont want to be tearing it all apart a month after such a huge build. I want a NEW as can be car when its done that I dont have to think about for 100K.

As far as the power I want quick but I dont need crazy..... Remember this is still going to be my 7 seater family car :).

What kind of HP will I get out of a trully correct stage3?

[02 A6 2.7T]

This is a valid point... I am researching it at the moment. I think I would still go allroad and then swap the rear later if need be. As the allroad parts are also of HIGH interest to me. I need a dozen other parts that an allroad has so if i'm going to get a wreck I might as well get one and be done with it.

As for if they were available in canada... I have been told that they were special order only. i have NEVER seen one in my life. I have only ever seen 3 allroads with the 6spd... I will be bringing in one from WA or OR USofA...

I bought my 6MT A6 sedan (in my avatar) CPO in Bellingham, WA in 2004. I was going to go stage 3 with it, but I really wanted a wagon. I searched for almost a year to find a 6MT allroad ...
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[mikehawk666]

2.7t duh!

edit: I read the thread a little bit before posting again lol. I went from stock to stage 3-, k04s rs4 side mounts rs4 clutch piggie pipes and catback vast tuned stock fueling. I run around 15 psi and this thing is a beast(or was until my clutch twotimed my ass) I have only been beat by an evoX, a shelby gt550(barely) and two other full stage s4s. It's enough power for me, but I still can't wait to throw my fueling kit, meth, and most importantly, the new clutch bcuz my old one went out on me yesterday!!!!

I was addicted from the second I jumped into the 2.7T s4. Since then it persuaded my roomate to pick up an a6 2.7T. All of my friends have this motor, prob 10 of us, and while its a beeeyatch its so much fun when running correctly.