Should i be worried about what they found during my oil change

[Blindsay06]

alright so i just got my A4 like a week ago (06 53k miles) and i figured it would be a good idea to get the oil changed and when they did it they found some small (and not many) what appeared to be metal flakes in the bottom of the canister. I asked 2 of my friends and they said

1. It means i have bad cams, get it looked at asap

2. Not sure what it is, could have been there for a while since most of the time the canister doesnt get cleaned, he said to see what it looks like next oil change.


Thoughts?

If it was the cams, is the powertrain warranty longer then the standard warranty on these cars? (are the cams part of the powertrain)

[E.Anderson]

If you've been here for any period of time (and it looks like you have) the first thing to immediately check is your cam follower. Most likely that is where your flakes are coming from, if the follower checks out fine, you have an even bigger problem...but step 1. Stop driving and check the follower immediately...or else you may incur a catastrophic failure

[kristokes]

There's an extended warranty of 10 years or 100,000 miles on the HPFP, cam follower, and cam shafts. There are other recalls and warranty extensions so you may want to call your local Audi dealership and inquire whether or not your car is up to date.

[bman005]

There's an extended warranty of 10 years or 100,000 miles on the HPFP, cam follower, and cam shafts. There are other recalls and warranty extensions so you may want to call your local Audi dealership and inquire whether or not your car is up to date.

120,000 miles

[shiro1745]

120,000 miles

That's what I thought as well

[Blindsay06]

oh so i might be able to get this fixed for free? i will call audi right away then


edit: called my audi dealership and got an appointment, they confirmed it was extended to 10yr 120k. They want to look at my car first to make sure that it is the case.

Do you think they will notice the APR93 flash? (i literally just got it done yesterday lol)

edit: and you guys think these metal flakes are more than likely caused by one of these culprits?

[LuckyNumberB7]

alright so i just got my A4 like a week ago (06 53k miles) and i figured it would be a good idea to get the oil changed and when they did it they found some small (and not many) what appeared to be metal flakes in the bottom of the canister. I asked 2 of my friends and they said

1. It means i have bad cams, get it looked at asap

2. Not sure what it is, could have been there for a while since most of the time the canister doesnt get cleaned, he said to see what it looks like next oil change.


Thoughts?

If it was the cams, is the powertrain warranty longer then the standard warranty on these cars? (are the cams part of the powertrain)

Metal flakes don't always mean bad cams as they could be coming from somewhere else in the engine. Depending on how long ago the filter was replaced/canister drained, those flakes could possibly have been around for a while. About how many flakes were found and about what size?

[bman005]

Do you think they will notice the APR93 flash? (i literally just got it done yesterday lol)

Put it back in stock mode.

Metal flakes don't always mean bad cams as they could be coming from somewhere else in the engine. Depending on how long ago the filter was replaced/canister drained, those flakes could possibly have been around for a while. About how many flakes were found and about what size?

Very true, I was thinking the same thing

[ColumbusAudiA4]

Just change it back to the stock setting and they won't know, and don't tell them anything about it either. If they ask play dumb. It's irrelevant and the extended warranty is what it is. So hopefully you can get it fixed for free. Keep us posted.

[A4-Wookie]

Just change it back to the stock setting and they won't know, and don't tell them anything about it either. If they ask play dumb. It's irrelevant and the extended warranty is what it is. So hopefully you can get it fixed for free. Keep us posted.

well you literally just got the car so worst case in regards to the flash, I'd be like....."I bought it a week ago and this is how it was ". Might just be me too, but I'd hit up the place you bought the car from (if it isnt that Audi dealer) and have a little "chat" with them for selling you a car with issues already. You might get something out of it.

If its something that isnt covered under warranty (which would more than likely end up being $$$), I'd take that car back!!

[Blindsay06]

i only have the 93octane mode on my flash :(

Will the only way they can tell is by driving it?

and i was thinking if they put up a stink about it i have my reciept for just getting it flashed and this issue obviously would have occured before the flash.

The dealer (chevy) that i got it from said there was no warranty. and the state i bought it in only states a dealer cannot sell me a car that does not pass a state inspection

[funky_snowman]

or go back to where you got the flash and have them install stock mode and lockout features. no way in hell i'd go to a dealer for anything motor related with the apr 93 running. yes, they will be able to tell given the fact that the car can actually get out of it's own way, unlike when it's stock.

[Cottonmouth]

Definitely get the APR tune lockout. Just switching the tune back to stock won't be good enough. Locking it out is the only way for it to be invisible to the dealer. I know for a fact that it works.

[Schweini]

Definitely get the APR tune lockout. Just switching the tune back to stock won't be good enough. Locking it out is the only way for it to be invisible to the dealer. I know for a fact that it works.

I made the mistake myself reverting it back to stock thinking they'd never know. Well, they sure as hell found out, but fortunately they didn't make a stink about it. I got out lucky. Last time I forget to Lock it out..

So yes, they'll know

[Blindsay06]

other than the fact its faster how else will they know? i cant imagine they will be driving the car (and fast) that much. Also isnt the law they have to honor the warranty regardless of mods unless the mod is the cause of the failure? I have documents showing when i got the reflash and documents from the following day of the metal flakes. This is the only warranty work i will ever have done to the car so id rather not pay for the extra APR options unless i have to because i dont need them for anything else.

[rollerton]

I'm not sure what the law is or how it actually reads, could be different state by state in reality- but leaving the flash exposed and obvious gives them a way to at least try and argue with you. Many dealers just don't care, and it may really be up to the master tech, or the service advisor or whoever. Maybe they're in a bad mood that day, or they had trouble with the last car with a tune?
Bottom line, you don't wan't to give them ANY reason or opportunity to argue warranty work. And yes, most tunes are detectable by dealer scan tools if the tech knows what they're doing.

[groundround]

fuck this site is 90% drama!

cam, cam follower! how many a4's have actually faulted from this and how many of them are from this site. % of america's fault are from people on this site exaggerating this slight problem.

1. your cam follower is not going to tear through in 10K like the top 5 users on here say it is!

2. apr turbo is a bulk of non stop power not initial torque and only like 1 or 2 people out of the actual community of k04 owners broke a valve LOL. Prob because you drive like an ass

3. don't believe the hype, get a good clue of whats wrong then get a vag and see whats actually wrong, rather than goin off of word of mouth. word of mouth here is usually going to get you the same answer by the same people on the same answer over and over again.

rai's gtx turbo kits feel a lot weaker then k04's. personal experience after sitting in both types and the valve snapping power that a couple of you speak of does not come from the k04! there is no valve snapping power from either! it comes from the driver. and the k04 is solid constant reliable power like you pay for.

[Blindsay06]

if i go get the stock file and the security lockout feature should i be ok then?

[shiro1745]

fuck this site is 90% drama!

cam, cam follower! how many a4's have actually faulted from this and how many of them are from this site. % of america's fault are from people on this site exaggerating this slight problem.

1. your cam follower is not going to tear through in 10K like the top 5 users on here say it is!

2. apr turbo is a bulk of non stop power not initial torque and only like 1 or 2 people out of the actual community of k04 owners broke a valve LOL. Prob because you drive like an ass

3. don't believe the hype, get a good clue of whats wrong then get a vag and see whats actually wrong, rather than goin off of word of mouth. word of mouth here is usually going to get you the same answer by the same people on the same answer over and over again.

rai's gtx turbo kits feel a lot weaker then k04's. personal experience after sitting in both types and the valve snapping power that a couple of you speak of does not come from the k04! there is no valve snapping power from either! it comes from the driver. and the k04 is solid constant reliable power like you pay for.

No offense but how many of b7 owners are out there that run with a shot cam follower without even knowing. And you know why? cause the car can run perfect, no cel, no codes and the follower can be shot. By the way, did you check yours?

[Blindsay06]

No offense but how many of b7 owners are out there that run with a shot cam follower without even knowing. And you know why? cause the car can run perfect, no cel, no codes and the follower can be shot. By the way, did you check yours?

yeah my car runs fine lol but the metal flakes say otherwise

[groundround]

No offense but how many of b7 owners are out there that run with a shot cam follower without even knowing. And you know why? cause the car can run perfect, no cel, no codes and the follower can be shot. By the way, did you check yours?

haha yea i check mine, 60k and 114k perfect every time.

[shiro1745]

OP you could send your oil for analysis and see what metals they find, that could give you some clues. Of course if you still have some of the old oil.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

[shiro1745]

if i go get the stock file and the security lockout feature should i be ok then?

I say you should be fine, I doubt they would spent their time to find if you are chipped or not. If you don't rise a flag you shouldn't be worried about it ...

Edit: oh and of course a tech that drives these cars all day every day can feel ~40 more HP.
Just lock the tune to stock and should be fine.

[elwigglero]

fuck this site is 90% drama!

cam, cam follower! how many a4's have actually faulted from this and how many of them are from this site. % of america's fault are from people on this site exaggerating this slight problem.

1. your cam follower is not going to tear through in 10K like the top 5 users on here say it is!

2. apr turbo is a bulk of non stop power not initial torque and only like 1 or 2 people out of the actual community of k04 owners broke a valve LOL. Prob because you drive like an ass

3. don't believe the hype, get a good clue of whats wrong then get a vag and see whats actually wrong, rather than goin off of word of mouth. word of mouth here is usually going to get you the same answer by the same people on the same answer over and over again.

rai's gtx turbo kits feel a lot weaker then k04's. personal experience after sitting in both types and the valve snapping power that a couple of you speak of does not come from the k04! there is no valve snapping power from either! it comes from the driver. and the k04 is solid constant reliable power like you pay for.

Businesses don't generally offer extended warranties on their most popular product for no reason. Believe it or not, the cam follower was creating a huge problem for Audi and they decided they'd rather take the hit by doubling the warranty period on the follower/hpfp/cam than get hit with an even bigger settlement in a class action suit. Audi has already acknowledged and acted on the problem. It's definitely real. I've got a couple of scored cam followers in the garage to show for it.

Even so... It's a $50 part that takes a half hour to deal with. I do it every 15-20k and have complete peace of mind. What's the big deal? People spend more than that on shit like plasti-dip and sidemarkers, but preventative maintenance!? OMG NO WAY! RU SERIEOZ?!


PO: I have APR and have never had an issue at any dealer. Just set it to the stock tune and take it in.

[Godfather 2.0T]

OP you could send your oil for analysis and see what metals they find, that could give you some clues. Of course if you still have some of the old oil.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/

have you tried this before? that's a cool idea

[schirm]

My cams went about two years ago before Audi announced the new recall, and I payed for them to be fixed by KMD tuning then bitched out AOA and they sent me a check for 1,600$

[shiro1745]

have you tried this before? that's a cool idea

I haven't but if you search "blackstone" on this forum you will find some info on this along with result sheets from people that got it. I will do mine with my next oil change which is due like ... now!

Here's an example

[Blindsay06]

Ok so I brought it over to the dealership and it turns out my cam, cam follower and HPFP were replaced only 8k miles ago and they checked them out anyways and they look good. They said the flakes were probably left over pre-repair. My trunk latch broke over the weekend so they gotta fix that for me so the trip was not a waste