1Naudia4's VR-T Build Thread

[1NaudiA4]

Well guys the time has come. I'm getting rid of my built 1.8t set-up and am making the switch to a VR6 set-up. I'm going to do this a little differently than how I did my 1.8t set-up though.... I'm not going to go crazy with it. I want a RELIABLE 400awhp where I don't have to always tinker with it or worry my ass off that something is going to go wrong. I also want a fairly quickly spooling set-up that is fun to drive around town. So this means no crazy high boost or completely built motors where I'm shooting for high numbers. I also want to have a motor that is fairly easy to replace which is why I'm going the 12v route. I'm also planning on funding this swap mostly from the sale of my built 1.8t stuff.

My plan is to take the car all apart and do the swap this winter.

Here the plans for the parts:

Engine:
-12v VR6
-C2 Motorsports 8.5:1 headgasket spacer
-ARP Head studs
-ARP Rod bolts
-New Timing Chains

Clutch/Flywheel:
-Southbend Stage 4 7A clutch
- 034 Longitudinal VR6 swap flywheel

Forced Induction:
- HTA3582r .82a/r
- ATP 12v VR6 Exhaust manifold
- 034 Longitudinal 12v VR6 Intake manifold
- Precision 600hp intercooler
- Synapse 50mm wastegate
- Synapse BOV
- VR6 Throttle body


Fueling:
- 1260cc injectors (E85)
- Walbro>Bosch 044 inline
- Aeromotive FPR
- -6an lines from pump to rail
- 034 12v VR6 Billet fuel rail

Electronics:
- 034 IIC Standalone
- 034 Wideband
- AEM Uego Wideband
- Phormula KS-4 Knock analyser


VR6 Swap parts:
- 01E/01A to VR6 adapter plate
- 034 VR6 swap starter
- Phaeton VR6 oil pan
- 12v VR6 valve cover out of MKIV Jetta
- Custom motor mounts


I think thats pretty much it as far as the parts go. I'll update it as I go along because I'm sure there are things I'm forgetting.

[Turbo Nerd]

Goodluck with it, seems like you know the necessary parts to go with a VR6 in a B5. Are you selling your motor with turbo as a whole or parting it separate?

[1NaudiA4]

Goodluck with it, seems like you know the necessary parts to go with a VR6 in a B5. Are you selling your motor with turbo as a whole or parting it separate?

I would prefer to sell it as a whole but I'm not sure if anyone would really be willing to purchase it. I mean there aren't too many people willing to drop $7,000 on a built motor/turbo set-up right now. I'm thinking it would be easier to sell it in pieces since a lot of parts are applicable to 1.8 Jettas/GTIs and everyone knows there are a lot more guys who mod those than Audi's.

[biketsai]

Cant wait for the outcome! Im thinking about this for my car once I get a DD. The capabilities of the VR6 are just awesome, had a friend build a 550awhp VR6T Gti

[Turbo Nerd]

Yea your absolutely right about that, that's why I asked. If your running a built AEB head I'd be interested in that, that is if your decide on parting the motor out if you can't sell it as a whole. Whats your current setup looking like other than whats posted in your sig?

[1NaudiA4]

I'm going to be parting out the motor for sure. Especially since the bottom end is a 058 early style block.

I made for sale post the other day in the classifieds, have a looksy. Still some items I need to post up in addition to whats already there. The only thing that I've sold so far is the Ross Machine Racing fuel rail. http://www.audizine.com/classifieds/...clutch-&cat=20

Yeah I know the prices are a little high on some items. They're OBO... gotta start somewhere

[flynnr]

i have 034 IIc too - you should sell me your turbo, injectors, etc and send me the tune you used lol. what kind of power did you put down?

[1NaudiA4]

i have 034 IIc too - you should sell me your turbo, injectors, etc and send me the tune you used lol. what kind of power did you put down?

I'm kind of tempted to keep the turbo and see what it feels like on the VR6. Can you say insta-boost 400awhp

I'm planning on using the injectors I have right now on the VR6 setup though so those won't be for sale. You can always go with the same injectors and I could just send you over the tune.

Not quite sure on the power I put down since I hadn't dyno'd it since I switched over to E85. I did go to the track last year though when I was on stock cams and trapped 122mph. With IE's race cams and 30lbs of boost I was just recently able to pull about 4 car lengths on a R6 from 60-130mph if that tells you something

[NeedingAnAudi]

Oh wow, I thought you had signed off Audizine a looong time ago. Excited to see what how this turns out

[bw86]

Good luck! Can't wait to see some pics.

[1NaudiA4]

I just go into hibernation for a little... and then BOOM I'm back

I should hopefully have some parts coming in this week so I can mock up the block and start fabricating the motor mounts. So much stuff to do...

[1NaudiA4]

A little update:

I pulled all the accessories off the motor this past week and separated the head from the block so I could start selling some of my 1.8 stuff.

The short block and head look to be in good shape but it seems like I must have revved too high at some point and experienced some valve float because my exhaust valves kissed my pistons. The pistons have little marks on the them as well as the valves. I don't think any of the valves got bent though because my compression prior to pulling the motor was perfect.

Everything else came out with out a hitch though and I was able to sell some of my smaller items already. Still looking for buyers for some of the bigger items like my cams, shortblock, head, intake manifold, turbo, exhaust manifold/dp.

Some pics of the progress:

Motor is separated and looking perty, cylinder walls are in great shape with the honing marks still evident. Pistons are also in great shape other than the little nicks from the valves. I took some 400 grit sand paper and a vacuum and sanded down the nicks from the valve for the buyer so that there wont be any hot spots



















Fisheye for good measure



And my VR6 thats going to be taking the 1.8's place:

[Wet0willy01]

Would you consider going with a 340 Aeromotive pump?

CLICKY

I'm looking to possibly make a few adapters, and would like to know the dimension of the B5 fuel pump and cradle in comparison to my b6

[1NaudiA4]

Would you consider going with a 340 Aeromotive pump?

CLICKY

I'm looking to possibly make a few adapters, and would like to know the dimension of the B5 fuel pump and cradle in comparison to my b6

Might be interested in the future but the fuel set-up I have right now has worked pretty well without any hickups. I'm planning getting the car running with what I have and if I need more fuel I'll probably do a dual 044 surgetank set-up. I'll still need a pump to feed the 044's from the fuel tank though.

[Lapkritis]

Good luck. I've been waiting myself out as I have a big turbo vr6 vw and a 197k mile 30v with a perfect body and some good supporting mods. I need to buy a daily and that's the tricky part... a used beater or a new, baseline econobox.

[1NaudiA4]

Good luck. I've been waiting myself out as I have a big turbo vr6 vw and a 197k mile 30v with a perfect body and some good supporting mods. I need to buy a daily and that's the tricky part... a used beater or a new, baseline econobox.

I feel ya. Its a big weight off my shoulders to have a reliable car that I drive everyday. Sometimes its good to keep things stock. My DD is actually a VR6 MKIV Jetta lol.

[flynnr]

super jelly about your build man. save the 034 files for me please :) (seriously!)

[1NaudiA4]

super jelly about your build man. save the 034 files for me please :) (seriously!)

I'm probably going to be selling my HTA30r too so that I can pick up an HTA35r. Let me know if your interested.

All you would need then are the injectors I was running which you could pick up from CTS for about $220 and a set of V1 cams: http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/product...tor-221-4.html

I also saved all of my stock cam E85 tunes if you wouldn't want to run the V1's.

[biketsai]

How much are you looking to get for the 30?

[1NaudiA4]

How much are you looking to get for the 30?

Sent you PM

[A4Rob]

Great to see your back in the game. VR Swaps are awesome! Look forward to the progress.

[M-Hood]

I'm probably going to be selling my HTA30r too so that I can pick up an HTA35r. Let me know if your interested.

All you would need then are the injectors I was running which you could pick up from CTS for about $220 and a set of V1 cams: http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/product...tor-221-4.html

I also saved all of my stock cam E85 tunes if you wouldn't want to run the V1's.

There is a B7 owner that is looking to get a HTA30r and sell off his HTA3582r. Maybe you should talk to him and see about a swap.

[1NaudiA4]

Great to see your back in the game. VR Swaps are awesome! Look forward to the progress.

Minnesota isn't too far away Rob... feel free to come by and give me a hand.

I'm really starting contemplate shaving the engine bay and doing a wire tuck. I'm already going to have to re-do most of the wires and lines, figure I might as well clean it all up while I'm at it.

There is a B7 owner that is looking to get a HTA30r and sell off his HTA3582r. Maybe you should talk to him and see about a swap.

Just shot you a PM Mike, that would be great if there is someone that would want to swap their HTA35r for my HTA30r. I've been combing the evo and dsm forums looking for anyone wanting to unload an HTA35r for an HTA30r but I haven't really found anything.

[1NaudiA4]

Had a few essential parts come in today. All I really need now is a MKIV VR6 timing chain cover so that the timing chain cover doesn't hit my bell housing. I'll have this sucker bolted up in no time

Heres what came in:
- Phaeton oil pan
- 034 flywheel
- 034 starter
- VR6>01E/01A adapter plate

[Steve_Ag Arrow]

Bad ass! Going to be a sweet setup!

[bw86]

Lookin good!

[Don Supreme]

35r might be overkill if you are certain all you want is 400awhp...

30r would be a sick nasty responsive setup.

[murdered APR a4]

im so excited!!! lol

[1NaudiA4]

35r might be overkill if you are certain all you want is 400awhp...

30r would be a sick nasty responsive setup.

I know I'm going to want more than 400awhp eventually. Just not at this phase of the build. I figure I can run less boost as well with the HTA35r to reach my power goals.

I'm going to build the motor eventually and do a 01E swap which is when I'll turn up the boost and make some real power. Probably do that sometime next year...

[Crispy222]

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[A4Rob]

This makes 4 Vr6 Swaps into B5's in the area!

[flynnr]

This makes 4 Vr6 Swaps into B5's in the area!

are any completed?? i want a ride :P

[1NaudiA4]

This makes 4 Vr6 Swaps into B5's in the area!

Are you doing one too Rob?

[A4Rob]

Are you doing one too Rob?

Nope. Not yet at least. I am waiting until I blow my 1.8T beyond repairable or just pick up a cheap avant for the swap.

[flynnr]

if this thread was a poll, this would be my vote:

or just pick up a cheap avant for the swap.

[b518]

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[1NaudiA4]

Made a little headway today. I had a MKIV AFP lower timing cover come in so that I won't have to chop up the bell housing to fit the stock AAA lowering timing cover. Also had some steeel come in so that I can start fabricating the engine mount brackets. I was going to use my MIG to weld up the steel but I'm really starting to contemplate investing in a decent TIG. Those pretty welds are tempting but TIG machines are so damn expensive .

Also had some time in the afternoon to go to the local Pick-N-Pull. They had just gotten in a 97 Golf VR6 in decent shape so I went to town snatching all the little parts I needed off of it.

Here what I pulled off:

- Bosch 120amp alternator
- Oil filter cap
- Crank position sensor
- Camshaft position sensor
- Oil cooler nut
- Dip stick and dip stick tube
- Accessory belt tensioner (looked brand new)

[A4Rob]

Junkyard runs FTW!

[1NaudiA4]

This past week I pulled the head off of the VR6 motor and noticed that one of the cylinders had some rust in it. I'm assuming the rust was from the block sitting for so long and not being properly sealed up.

Anyways, the beauty of the 12v VR6 is that I was easily able to find a guy in Chicago selling a nice VR6 shortblock with the cylinder walls in great shape and I only paid $75 for it. I'm going to do the modifications to the block today to make the starter fit, clean it up and paint it.

I'll update with some pics this afternoon.

[1NaudiA4]

So some new stuff that has been going on:

Welder came in earlier this week. After doing some research I decided to go with a Everlast PowerTIG 200DX instead of a more expensive Miller or Lincoln unit with similar features. Couldn't be more happy so far with it. Came nicely packaged in a triple corrugated box and had all the necessary parts to get it going except tungsten, filler rod, and some argon. Not a single thing was damaged which is pretty amazing for a 85lb package so thumbs up to the packaging team at Everlast.

Some initial impressions about the welder:

Arc quality is very nice and it is very easy to start. The torch is a bit heavy but it is to be expected with a 200amp air cooled unit. The pulse feature is very cool and I was able to make some very nice looking welds on some stainless tubing with little effort. I still have quite a bit of practice with feeding the rod and puddle control so I'll post up some pics of my welds once I get a little better at it. The regulator is a nice quality unit as well, I made the mistake of reading it in cuft/hr instead of l/min so I was running too much gas for a while. Overall I'm very impressed with the unit.

You guys can check it out here at Everlasts website: Everlast PowerTIG 200DX




I sold my shortblock so I got to package it up and send it on its way over to Lazer Viking today for his build.




IMAG0140 by 1naudia4, on Flickr




I also finally had some time to paint the replacement block that I picked up. It turned out pretty nice for how rusted it was prior. All I need to do now is extract a broken bolt for the timing chain.


IMAG0148 by 1naudia4, on Flickr






and here is how the engine bay looks right now: It hasn't gotten any love in quite some time because I've been waiting on the welder to make the brackets.


IMAG0149 by 1naudia4, on Flickr