My buddy just bought an 04 M3 with stage 3 dinon software, and full exhaust with headers. He says its 340 at the wheels, but i think its somewhere in the 300 range.
I drive an 00 APR Stage 2 S4 and probably putting around 270whp.
So we decided to go for a couple runs in 2nd gear :) and i definitely thought he was gonna pull on me.
Guess what? We were completely even, our heads turned at each other the entire time, smiling and then not realizing we both hit the rev limit!
I guess we were too excited.. lol
I had a stock 02 M3 imola red and LOVED IT! Payments were a bit redic so I ended up parting with her.. but I'm back in the S now and loving it.
It's not a matter of if but when I end up with more cash I'll definitely be getting into another M3. They are incredible machines. First thing anyone says
when you lift the hood.. "HOLY SHIT, INDEPENDENT THROTTLE BODYS??" and a full stainless exhaust to boot. My old chipped APR S4 would have taken it though
but the M3 being rwd = more fun :)
2001 Audi S4 2.7TQM ** Brilliant Black - Silicone Hoses|APR Snub Mount|710Ns|J-Fonz Tune|AWE Gauge|AWE S-Flo|Darintake|H&R Sports
1999.5 Audi A4 2.8QM **Casablanca White - Stock
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Nice run! Impressive pull against the M3. I'm not suprised as HP only tells half the story. The S4 has a lot more torque and racing has a lot more factors then just power. I've beat cars in my A4 that should have smoked an S4.. Its all about the driver, etc.. Anyways good run, congrats on going head to head with the M3. Now put some tials in that car and smoke everything lol
2010 Audi S4 DSG Revo Stage 1 387whp/365wtq
2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT APR Stage 2+ 237whp/305wtq
1993 Audi UrS4 5MT VEMS GT30R E85
Gone but not forgotten:
2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT Rotiform/H&R
2005 Audi S4 6MT Revo/JHM Bolt Ons 295whp/302wtq
2006 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro AT6 APR Stage 3+ 318whp/268wtq
Nice run! Impressive pull against the M3. I'm not suprised as HP only tells half the story. The S4 has a lot more torque and racing has a lot more factors then just power. I've beat cars in my A4 that should have smoked an S4.. Its all about the driver, etc.. Anyways good run, congrats on going head to head with the M3. Now put some tials in that car and smoke everything lol
haha thanks, and i think ill be going with franken turbos in the future :)
Never said that it wasn't "plenty fast." But against a Dinan M3 with full exhaust... ugh, I'm sick of these threads.
A Dinan M3 is a bolt on N/A straight 6. Your limited to how much power you can squeze out of an Naturally Aspirated 6 cylinder. Small displacement. It may make 340whp but might not make anywhere near that in tq. More than likely mid 200's tops. The S4 will make more torque than hp...
2010 Audi S4 DSG Revo Stage 1 387whp/365wtq
2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT APR Stage 2+ 237whp/305wtq
1993 Audi UrS4 5MT VEMS GT30R E85
Gone but not forgotten:
2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT Rotiform/H&R
2005 Audi S4 6MT Revo/JHM Bolt Ons 295whp/302wtq
2006 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro AT6 APR Stage 3+ 318whp/268wtq
A Dinan M3 is a bolt on N/A straight 6. Your limited to how much power you can squeze out of an Naturally Aspirated 6 cylinder. Small displacement. It may make 340whp but might not make anywhere near that in tq. More than likely mid 200's tops. The S4 will make more torque than hp...
A Dinan M3 is a bolt on N/A straight 6. Your limited to how much power you can squeze out of an Naturally Aspirated 6 cylinder. Small displacement. It may make 340whp but might not make anywhere near that in tq. More than likely mid 200's tops. The S4 will make more torque than hp...
I agree. However, once you factor in power to weight ratios (M3 is 2865lbs., S4 is 3600lbs), the difference in actual power numbers and how much the S4 loses through Quattro, and how APR isn't the most aggressive tune out there... Well, if I could pick one to win a race, it would be the M3. To each his own though
Originally Posted by Rdp616
I think this site has reached its pinnacle for "helpful" threads.
Fuck, I KNOW. I'm just waiting for the "how do i put altezza tail lights and bovs on my s4" thread. Useful information is really hard to come by on here anymore.
I find it ironic that the colors red, white, and blue represent freedom until they are flashing behind you.
[QUOTE=Manny;6769790]What are you talking about? APR is plenty fast..
APR is a joke compared to the other stage 3 files out there. I'm pretty sure that's what RedB5S4 is getting at. Back when I was stage II, I ran almost every OTC file at some point (GIAC, AMS, MTM, APR, etc.). Don't get me wrong, APR is safe and smooth power, but GIAC and AMS were on another level. All cars work differently with tunes and for all I know you have a fast APR tune. I just remember there being a substantial difference. It's worth trying out a GIAC file if you can pick one up cheap, just a suggestion. If you kept with this guy with APR, you'll be faster with GIAC.
APR is a joke compared to the other stage 2 files out there. I'm pretty sure that's what RedB5S4 is getting at. Back when I was stage II, I ran almost every OTC file at some point (GIAC, AMS, MTM, APR, etc.). Don't get me wrong, APR is safe and smooth power, but GIAC and AMS were on another level. All cars work differently with tunes and for all I know you have a fast APR tune. I just remember there being a substantial difference. It's worth trying out a GIAC file if you can pick one up cheap, just a suggestion. If you kept with this guy with APR, you'll be faster with GIAC.
Fixed.
I find it ironic that the colors red, white, and blue represent freedom until they are flashing behind you.
Thank you. Critical typo on my part. Although, it probably works for stage 3 as well. I've never driven or been in an APR Stage 3 car, but from what I understand the OTC tune is still on the conservative side compared to others, correct?
Yep, that's all I was saying. I mean, I guess that an APR S4 could hang with a Dinan M3? It just seems a bit off to me. If an APR was neck and neck with one though, pretty much any other tune would pull on that same car (maybe with the exception of MTM).
I find it ironic that the colors red, white, and blue represent freedom until they are flashing behind you.
I agree. However, once you factor in power to weight ratios (M3 is 2865lbs., S4 is 3600lbs)
Uhhhm, wat. Maybe an E30 M3 weighs that much.
E46s are fairly heavy for a coupe; they weigh around 3400-3500 pounds. An S4 only gives up like 200 pounds to an M3, has a much, much better torque curve and similar power numbers.
APR is a joke compared to the other stage 3 files out there. I'm pretty sure that's what RedB5S4 is getting at. Back when I was stage II, I ran almost every OTC file at some point (GIAC, AMS, MTM, APR, etc.). Don't get me wrong, APR is safe and smooth power, but GIAC and AMS were on another level. All cars work differently with tunes and for all I know you have a fast APR tune. I just remember there being a substantial difference. It's worth trying out a GIAC file if you can pick one up cheap, just a suggestion. If you kept with this guy with APR, you'll be faster with GIAC.
if there really is such a difference between apr and giac, then im picking one up for sure :) would love to see my friends reaction when i beat his m3
At least he raced the guy before posting, one more damned "Am I faster than" thread and I may choke someone out through their computer monitor!!!
lol, im not asking if im faster, i just wanted to share my experience, and wanted everyones opinion. you dont have to be in this thread if you dont want to :)
E46s are fairly heavy for a coupe; they weigh around 3400-3500 pounds. An S4 only gives up like 200 pounds to an M3, has a much, much better torque curve and similar power numbers.
EDIT: Damn it, I'm slow today.
They are heavy cars.. The doors alone felt like they could have been bulletproof kevlar that's how heavy they were to open/close lol
2001 Audi S4 2.7TQM ** Brilliant Black - Silicone Hoses|APR Snub Mount|710Ns|J-Fonz Tune|AWE Gauge|AWE S-Flo|Darintake|H&R Sports
1999.5 Audi A4 2.8QM **Casablanca White - Stock
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if you put another turbo charger on your car you would have pulled on him!
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340 whp? your friend's seriously inflating those numbers. no full exhaust or tune is going to get you 65-70 whp, most dyno right around 270 stock. you were right about it being closer to 300.
the new v8 M3s are damn quick, i dare say they will give the run of the mill stage3 car a very hard time. But the V6s? lovely cars but without at least a supercharger, not a contender.
the new v8 M3s are damn quick, i dare say they will give the run of the mill stage3 car a very hard time. But the V6s? lovely cars but without at least a supercharger, not a contender.
the e92 is like around 340whp.. so yea im sure i can take that.. but they are expensive also.. e92 m3 is the car i am currently trying to buy though.. which is why youll see my car on the classifieds =[
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