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    FAILED. Ooooops... Emissions help?

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    Failed CO and NOx pretty miserably. I think I can lean out the tune and get closer to target values.

    I'm running a Vibrant HFC and I have no idea if it's even capable of passing or not.

    Anyone else have tips or tricks to share?

    P.S. They almost refused to test the car because of my 19" wheels but said it was ok because they were OEM... I just have Audi center caps on my VMRs.
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    Well... leaning it out will help and also one trick to helping pass is on the way there literally beat the shit out of the car. YOu have to make the cat as hot as possible (like glowing). The hotter it is the better the cat will work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    Well... leaning it out will help and also one trick to helping pass is on the way there literally beat the shit out of the car. YOu have to make the cat as hot as possible (like glowing). The hotter it is the better the cat will work.
    I'd have to go early on Sunday morning or something because I waited 20mins or so just to get the thing on the rollers. It also doesn't help that my cat is at the bottom of the downpipe. Harder to get it hot. I wonder if anyone in the area has an APR HFC...
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    i have a stock one if you want to throw it on... but if you can be first in line... beat hte shit out of the car and get it super hot. btw get on COD
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    Same thing happened to me hate to bite the bullet get a couple of cats put in. Got 2 high-load cats if you wanna toss them on for emissions. I gotta do the same thing in a month or so as well

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    Mixing in some E85 will help clean up the readings.

    I was thinking about this for my own car since I have some power upgrades coming in the future. I'm probably gonna have to register my car in Park County once my cat comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORCE_FED_DUB View Post
    Mixing in some E85 will help clean up the readings.
    This.

    Get your car so the gas light is on. Drive it til its almost empty. 1 gallon E85 and 1 gallon what you're tuned to run.

    My NOX was 4.5x above the limit. Mine dropped to .8
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGT View Post
    This.

    Get your car so the gas light is on. Drive it til its almost empty. 1 gallon E85 and 1 gallon what you're tuned to run.

    My NOX was 4.5x above the limit. Mine dropped to .8
    Hmmm. What about CO? Any change?
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    Im struggling with the same thing!! Mine was up there with the same numbers you've got Dolphin18T. (I think you actually commented on a post of mine a while back haha) If you give the E85 a try and it works let me know, or if i can find some time in the next few days I'll be the guinea pig haha.
    Ive been in 3 times now and failed every one. Got better after getting a hole in my fmic piping fixed and getting the car super hot on the way over, but still couldnt pass. I bought a stock CAT from a guy off here and a friend will weld it on for me, but if it can be resolved with the E85 mix that would save the hassle...

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    High CO results from incomplete combustion of fuel and is emitted directly from vehicle tailpipes. Incomplete combustion is most likely to occur at low air-to-fuel ratios in the engine. These conditions are common during vehicle starting when air supply is restricted ("choked"), when cars are not tuned properly, and at altitude, where "thin" air effectively reduces the amount of oxygen available for combustion (except in cars that are designed or adjusted to compensate for altitude).

    Of course high CO are directly related to A/F ratio. So leaning it out could help this... or putting higher octane in could help as well causing a more complete combustion.

    Some things that could cause high CO are:
    ECTS (engine temperature sensor)
    leaky fuel injectors
    improperly high fuel pressure
    thermostat stuck open
    clogged air filter

    and the tune itself could be the major factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    High CO results from incomplete combustion of fuel and is emitted directly from vehicle tailpipes. Incomplete combustion is most likely to occur at low air-to-fuel ratios in the engine. These conditions are common during vehicle starting when air supply is restricted ("choked"), when cars are not tuned properly, and at altitude, where "thin" air effectively reduces the amount of oxygen available for combustion (except in cars that are designed or adjusted to compensate for altitude).

    Of course high CO are directly related to A/F ratio. So leaning it out could help this... or putting higher octane in could help as well causing a more complete combustion.

    Some things that could cause high CO are:
    ECTS (engine temperature sensor)
    leaky fuel injectors
    improperly high fuel pressure
    thermostat stuck open
    clogged air filter

    and the tune itself could be the major factor.
    nice. i'll have to remember this as i will need to get mine done here soon to get colorado plates. thanks!

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    gotta love modding these cars. I will tell you guys, I am screwed when I go back in for emissions. They will pop my hood and be like... "you fail"
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    The place in Boulder wouldn't even test my car... said it was "too low." Went to the place in Broomfield and had no problems.

    Anybody know about getting your car emission exempt? They say if you spend something like $740 in repairs to try to get it to pass you can have it inspected by somebody and have it exempt from testing. Although I'm guessing any modifications would quickly void this option, but maybe not??

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    in california you can go to a "ref" who checks the car out. You can mod the car but all of the parts that are visible mods need to have a "C.A.RB" sticker on it. which is California Air Resources Board. Companies like AEM and some other big names will pay to have their parts tested and passed under emissions.

    Not sure if CO has something like this but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin18T View Post
    Hmmm. What about CO? Any change?
    Everything went down across the board. Even HC which was the only thing I passed the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGT View Post
    Everything went down across the board. Even HC which was the only thing I passed the first time.
    Awesome. I'll have to try this. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGT View Post
    Everything went down across the board. Even HC which was the only thing I passed the first time.
    Thats really good news...Congrats and good info.
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    Went and gave it a go today. Went in with a gallon of 91 and a gallon of E85. Lowered my numbers so I passed HC and CO, but still failed NOx by a full point (I was about 2.6xxx)

    Ideas??

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    What were your actual before and after numbers?

    Do you actually have to have a shop fill out the repair form before they will retest?
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    you should use lower octane, use 87 and e85

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    Mine were about the same as yours except my HC was around 2.5 before. After all were under except NOx. I can get exact numbers tonight after work.

    I have gone in and gotten it retested without having the back filled out so you should be fine for a retest without shop verification.

    Edit: Found my numbers

    Before (Running regular 91)
    HC: 2.7771
    CO: 27.1162
    CO2: 325.8715
    NOx: 2.6793

    After (Running 1/2 91 and 1/2 E85)
    HC: 1.0693
    CO: 12.4479
    CO2: 327. 5130
    NOx: 2.5807


    It says high NOx numbers come from high combustion temperatures/pressures...hmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    Mine were about the same as yours except my HC was around 2.5 before. After all were under except NOx. I can get exact numbers tonight after work.

    I have gone in and gotten it retested without having the back filled out so you should be fine for a retest without shop verification.

    Edit: Found my numbers

    Before (Running regular 91)
    HC: 2.7771
    CO: 27.1162
    CO2: 325.8715
    NOx: 2.6793

    After (Running 1/2 91 and 1/2 E85)
    HC: 1.0693
    CO: 12.4479
    CO2: 327. 5130
    NOx: 2.5807


    It says high NOx numbers come from high combustion temperatures/pressures...hmmmm.
    Do you have stock exhaust/cat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin18T View Post
    Do you have stock exhaust/cat?
    Nope, APR

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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    Mine were about the same as yours except my HC was around 2.5 before. After all were under except NOx. I can get exact numbers tonight after work.

    I have gone in and gotten it retested without having the back filled out so you should be fine for a retest without shop verification.

    Edit: Found my numbers

    Before (Running regular 91)
    HC: 2.7771
    CO: 27.1162
    CO2: 325.8715
    NOx: 2.6793

    After (Running 1/2 91 and 1/2 E85)
    HC: 1.0693
    CO: 12.4479
    CO2: 327. 5130
    NOx: 2.5807


    It says high NOx numbers come from high combustion temperatures/pressures...hmmmm.
    Are you running a hi-flow cat? Also when was the last time you changed your plugs? If you have access to vag-com run the codes to see if you have a misfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    i have a stock one if you want to throw it on... but if you can be first in line... beat hte shit out of the car and get it super hot. btw get on COD
    COD = Black Ops?

    If so... PS3?

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    To the OP (or everyone) - I will need to get this done very soon as I'm already near the 90 day limit of when I have to switch my plates over to CO. Is there a shop that everyone suggests, or just go to any shop? I only have APR 1 so i doubt that will mess with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGT View Post
    Are you running a hi-flow cat? Also when was the last time you changed your plugs? If you have access to vag-com run the codes to see if you have a misfire.
    Not a hi-flow CAT, plugs were replaced 3 months ago, I had a local shop run the codes when the plugs were replaced, one misfire that was resolved. I havent gotten vag-com yet, maybe ill go back in and have them run the codes before a retest..


    Quote Originally Posted by turboSpartan View Post
    I'm already near the 90 day limit of when I have to switch my plates over to CO
    What do you think the penalty is for not doing it in time? I'm at about 5 months since I bought the car with Illinois plates -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    Not a hi-flow CAT, plugs were replaced 3 months ago, I had a local shop run the codes when the plugs were replaced, one misfire that was resolved. I havent gotten vag-com yet, maybe ill go back in and have them run the codes before a retest..

    What do you think the penalty is for not doing it in time? I'm at about 5 months since I bought the car with Illinois plates -_-

    You need to run some type of cat. We tried like crazy with my friends STI and we could not get a clean pass without one.

    As for not registering the car you'll be fine as long as your tags arent expired. I know people who've been living here for years without registering in CO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidGT View Post
    You need to run some type of cat. We tried like crazy with my friends STI and we could not get a clean pass without one.

    As for not registering the car you'll be fine as long as your tags arent expired. I know people who've been living here for years without registering in CO.
    no it has a cat on it....just not hi-flow.
    tags expired last month lol so im really trying to wrap this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    no it has a cat on it....just not hi-flow.
    tags expired last month lol so im really trying to wrap this up.
    Let me know if you want a stock cat to try out. I've got one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post

    What do you think the penalty is for not doing it in time? I'm at about 5 months since I bought the car with Illinois plates -_-
    Not sure exactly, probably a fine. Cop was grilling me about that during my accident (see my other thread) and said I needed to get it done, especially now that I'm "in the system".
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    Well... Round 2 was pretty close!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphin18T View Post
    Well... Round 2 was pretty close!
    Haha! Shit, we're both right there. Damnit NOx. We have 10 days (I've got 8) to figure this out for the free retest haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    Haha! Shit, we're both right there. Damnit NOx. We have 10 days (I've got 8) to figure this out for the free retest haha
    That was my free retest. My next one will be $25 again...

    I think i'm going to check for exhaust leaks and/or try a little more ethanol. Mine's sooooo close.... Amazing what some ethanol will do for CO and HC though, haha.
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    did you beat on the car before you went in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    did you beat on the car before you went in?
    No. It's gonna take a lot of beating to get the cat hot enough down at the bottom of the downpipe.
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    If you can pull some timing out of your maps for the lowish rpm they are testing you at then that should help out the nox. Generally backing full advance down about 5* will drastically effect nox. Just remember to add it back after the test and what it all was so you don't make stuff go boom by adding too much back..... I know this only from tuning and egt's. Hope that helps.
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    welll shiiiiit. got my NOx down from 2.5xxx to 2.0xxx from switching from a 91+E85 mix to a 87+E85 mix. so damn close! Anybody around the Boulder (or surrounding) area wanna pull codes for me?? Trade for a case of beer or something? I took it to the dealership in Boulder just to ask them to run diagnostics and they ended up charging me $55 and gave me NO info.....thanks alot....haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by brk-fx View Post
    welll shiiiiit. got my NOx down from 2.5xxx to 2.0xxx from switching from a 91+E85 mix to a 87+E85 mix. so damn close! Anybody around the Boulder (or surrounding) area wanna pull codes for me?? Trade for a case of beer or something? I took it to the dealership in Boulder just to ask them to run diagnostics and they ended up charging me $55 and gave me NO info.....thanks alot.ling e...haha
    Pulling codes is NOT gonna help with you failing emissions if you don't have a CEL (and even then I don't see it doing you much good)

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    I guess the 7th time's a charm?

    Finally passed emissions today, on the very last day of my temporary tag that was issued when my tags expired in June...

    Final numbers:

    HC Reading: 0.3755 Limit: 1.2000

    CO Reading: 11.4023 Limit: 15.0000

    NOx Reading: 1.4773 Limit: 1.5000

    I have a whole new respect for those damn stickers now. What a mess...
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    holy fuuuuuck that is intense, can you go over everything you did to get it to pass? I'm gonna have the same problem when I reregister my car... so lame! right now its registered in virginia, and the tag expired a couple months ago so i just removed it haha. not gonna worry about it until i have to but would like to have some tips ready
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