3.0s & JHM

[A-FourLO]

You are contradicting yourself a little here.

The 1.8 guys have a HUGE gap on us. Like you said, turbo, more aftermarket support, etc etc.. But with that being said, you want us to be patient cause good things take time? We are. Its been less then a year since there was a larger interest in improving the 3.0. None of us are expecting quantam leaps and gains. Every little piece helps close that gap. Baby steps.

The 1.8 guys have years on the 3.0 in terms of performance upgrades. I might be alone in this, but I like them being ahead. Cause in time, I can only hope we can come closer to gaining on the majority of 1.8s ( not everyone runs a Stg 3, 3+)


Also, being patient involves waiting, right? But you don't want us to wait? So we need to be impatient?

dont wait for others self improve

[JEENYUS]

Its no wonder the 1.8 guys are always bullying the 3.0s. Look at the mentality the 3.0 people have its rediculous. Sitting and waiting........................................... ... For real?

you haven't been involved with this B6 format long enough to understand/make a statement like that. How many people have access to R&D facilities? Do you? What are you doing besides removing weight at this point? With that being said, you can only do so much for the 3.0 format and we have done/tired it already. We are waiting for something we know is going to be worth it. Sorry we took 3 MONTHS to even ask about the progress.

[JEENYUS]

...and to add to that; the thread started almost a year ago. You really think we are being impatient? What are you even getting at?

[sandspeed]

I cant tell someone how to expand there mind that like trying to telling a baby to take his first steps when he just shot out of the vag lol. Learning takes time and in time those baby steps will be taken and the learning will begin.

Did I really just read that? Dude, how much experience do you have with tuning/modifying European cars? I've been meddling with this stuff for about 17 years, and while I don't go crazy doing shadetree "upgrades" to my car, I have a lot of knowledge about what can be done and how shops should handle themselves. How many "tuners" have you seen come and go? And if your comment was about me understanding why you would go FWD, you clearly misunderstand my point of view. You have taken an Audi, and essentially turned it into a VW: FWD and with less luxury/performance. Do you disagree? The only reason I could see anyone doing what you're doing is because you have a lot of expendable income and want to screw with this car because you can afford for it to break down/blow up/fall apart. I don't really know what your reasoning is, but you seem poorly misguided so far. Sometimes you should stop and listen to the very-experienced crowd around you when they tell you that something is a bad idea.

[JEENYUS]

it's funny because every 3.0 owner starts out this way, "im so excited to see the potential of this car!!" i mean i was there and i got my fair share of hazing while i was doing it. All we are saying is this, "We know the dependability of JHM and we know what our cars strength/weaknesses are. We are just waiting for something we know is going to work." Sandspeed states is well and he has been here since i started like 4 years ago.

[A-FourLO]

Did I really just read that? Dude, how much experience do you have with tuning/modifying European cars? I've been meddling with this stuff for about 17 years, and while I don't go crazy doing shadetree "upgrades" to my car, I have a lot of knowledge about what can be done and how shops should handle themselves. How many "tuners" have you seen come and go? And if your comment was about me understanding why you would go FWD, you clearly misunderstand my point of view. You have taken an Audi, and essentially turned it into a VW: FWD and with less luxury/performance. Do you disagree? The only reason I could see anyone doing what you're doing is because you have a lot of expendable income and want to screw with this car because you can afford for it to break down/blow up/fall apart. I don't really know what your reasoning is, but you seem poorly misguided so far. Sometimes you should stop and listen to the very-experienced crowd around you when they tell you that something is a bad idea.

Does wut im doing look expensive to you? I guess i better re-think things then. Let me brake it down for you. Aside from my exhaust that cost me about 1000buks. The Following mods were free (assuming you have the necessary tools which you being around this for 17 years like you say you shouldnt have a problem here)

Free mods:
Gutting trunk w/ spare tire
Scraping tar
Removing floor mats
Removing underhood and undercar plastics
Removing intake actuator becuz it was broken

Following mods that costs 100 buks or less:
Welding center diff $30.00, Removing all the rest of the components (driveshaft etc...) FREE
2.7 intake manifold $45.00 shipped, porting FREE
2.7 throttle body $85.00 (but this was not necessary) so technically if you bought the manifold the T/B swap over from the stock 3.0 is FREE
Aluminum intake tube prices vary but well say $50.00.
Gutting cats cost me about $100.00


There is prolly a few others that i forgot right now and im not even counting the exterior stuff becuz tht doesnt do anything for performance.

[A-FourLO]

Funny whenever i hear someone say how the 3.0's hav limited or no potential it makes me wanna go home and do something new lol

[fr0sty]

Welding center diff $30.00

That is only true if you ignore the fact that you turned a $1,000+ part into a paperweight.

[Zingo_310]

That is only true if you ignore the fact that you turned a $1,000+ part into a paperweight.

You could have sent that in as a core and gotten a modded center diff putting more power to the rear. Just though of that Afour.

[sandspeed]

Does wut im doing look expensive to you? I guess i better re-think things then. Let me brake it down for you. Aside from my exhaust that cost me about 1000buks. The Following mods were free (assuming you have the necessary tools which you being around this for 17 years like you say you shouldnt have a problem here)

Free mods:
Gutting trunk w/ spare tire
Scraping tar
Removing floor mats
Removing rear sway bar
Brake swap with a friend
Removing underhood and undercar plastics
Removing intake actuator becuz it was broken

Following mods that costs 100 buks or less:
Welding center diff $30.00, Removing all the rest of the components (driveshaft etc...) FREE
2.7 intake manifold $45.00 shipped, porting FREE
2.7 throttle body $85.00 (but this was not necessary) so technically if you bought the manifold the T/B swap over from the stock 3.0 is FREE
Aluminum intake tube prices vary but well say $50.00.
Gutting cats cost me about $100.00


There is prolly a few others that i forgot right now and im not even counting the exterior stuff becuz tht doesnt do anything for performance.

What are your goals? N/A drag racing? Or N/A daily driver capable of drag racing? Or...? At some point you need to either decide to go for broke and concentrate on the strip, or compromise and go for a somewhat powerful daily driver. If you are going for the real-deal racecar, look up JetJockey and follow his weight-saving regimen. Did you get any money in exchange for your 3.0 brakes? You should have sold them for a couple hundred and picked up 1.8t caliper carriers for dirt cheap if you wanted to do that. Hopefully you got something out of that deal. And your intake "seems" to be making more power, but I would bet that you would see a net loss after it becomes heat soaked, so you aren't really making much power. On another note, your dyno numbers are going to be skewed in some sense. You have maybe made a few extra ponies, but by dynoing as a FWD car, you've essentially cut some of the drivetrain loss, so in fact, you may have just regained some HP that was previously lost. You want to make real N/A power? Get custom ground cams, high CR pistons and a custom tune. Couple that with better headers (Supersprint used to make some years ago), a better flowing true-dual exhaust, and maybe some mild head work. Go crazy and bore it out a bit maybe. If you want to be more successful with modding on a budget, ask more questions and be willing to listen to what we say. A lot of people have already been down the roads you are currently exploring, and may have deemed it not cost effective or worth the effort to do certain things. In some cases, certain mods can actually result in a net loss of power with these cars.

And what's wrong with turbo cars? You want to be the fastest back yard modified N/A FWD 3.0 sedan? Cause that's what you're going to be at best, untill you decide to either shoot for Fastest Self-Built 3.0 or Fastest N/A 3.0, and both of those will require money. I understand wanting to make your car faster, and wanting to DIY is great, but at some point you will realise that other people are much faster than you because they either went FI or spent a shit-ton of cash. Yes, you will be able to say "I did it myself" or "I only spent $2k" or whatever, but they will still be faster than you. So if you insist on going homebuilt N/A 3.0, start another thread and ask for our help. That way we can all discuss ideas without the 20 pages of silliness this has become. And I promise I will help you, as long as you listen to us and have valid arguments for why you are doing certain things. As of right now you just seem stubborn and you have painted yourself in a childish light because you insist on ignoring well-established and knowledgeable people.

[Maverick]

throwing money on the 3.slow is a complete waste.
curious of how I know?

I would love to encourage people to keep dreaming but with the 3.0, it's not gonna happen.

[meistah]

throwing money on the 3.slow is a complete waste.
curious of how I know?

I would love to encourage people to keep dreaming but with the 3.0, it's not gonna happen.

You know because you bought a pes s/c? lol.

[MethuenS4]

Does wut im doing look expensive to you? I guess i better re-think things then. Let me brake it down for you. Aside from my exhaust that cost me about 1000buks. The Following mods were free (assuming you have the necessary tools which you being around this for 17 years like you say you shouldnt have a problem here)

Free mods:
Gutting trunk w/ spare tire
Scraping tar
Removing floor mats
Removing rear sway bar
Brake swap with a friend
Removing underhood and undercar plastics
Removing intake actuator becuz it was broken

Following mods that costs 100 buks or less:
Welding center diff $30.00, Removing all the rest of the components (driveshaft etc...) FREE
2.7 intake manifold $45.00 shipped, porting FREE
2.7 throttle body $85.00 (but this was not necessary) so technically if you bought the manifold the T/B swap over from the stock 3.0 is FREE
Aluminum intake tube prices vary but well say $50.00.
Gutting cats cost me about $100.00


There is prolly a few others that i forgot right now and im not even counting the exterior stuff becuz tht doesnt do anything for performance.

Why would you remove the rear sway bar? Makes zero sense to me. What does removing it accomplish?

[JoshDub]

you haven't been involved with this B6 format long enough to understand/make a statement like that. How many people have access to R&D facilities? Do you? What are you doing besides removing weight at this point? With that being said, you can only do so much for the 3.0 format and we have done/tired it already. We are waiting for something we know is going to be worth it. Sorry we took 3 MONTHS to even ask about the progress.

The kid is to stupid to understand what you are trying to say

What are your goals?...As of right now you just seem stubborn and you have painted yourself in a childish light because you insist on ignoring well-established and knowledgeable people.

Your voice of reason is being wasted my friend.

throwing money on the 3.slow is a complete waste.
curious of how I know?

I would love to encourage people to keep dreaming but with the 3.0, it's not gonna happen.

I am sorry but your 3.0 was junk. But thank you for bringing to light, along with others, that the PES system was complete crap. But just because your particular method did not work out does not mean there are other avenues.

[Maverick]

I am sorry but your 3.0 was junk. But thank you for bringing to light, along with others, that the PES system was complete crap. But just because your particular method did not work out does not mean there are other avenues.

lmao. ok.
well I am happy to see some of you are pursuing other options with the 3.0. I really would like to see good results and by no mean I am negative.

cheers

[JoshDub]

lmao. ok.
well I am happy to see some of you are pursuing other options with the 3.0. I really would like to see good results and by no mean I am negative.

cheers

Well you are being negative. Plain and simple. I would too would have a sour taste in my mouth if I had to deal with what you did. But like I said, there are other avenues right now for making power and are looking pretty good so far.

[JEENYUS]

The kid is to stupid to understand what you are trying to say



Your voice of reason is being wasted my friend.



I am sorry but your 3.0 was junk. But thank you for bringing to light, along with others, that the PES system was complete crap. But just because your particular method did not work out does not mean there are other avenues.

lmao. ok.
well I am happy to see some of you are pursuing other options with the 3.0. I really would like to see good results and by no mean I am negative.

cheers

I can agree with this.

I know that skeeball was able to have a pretty solid supercharged 3.0 without any major issues i have seen on the forum.

[edge19lw]

So is jhm still in the development phase since they aren't advertising the ecu/tcu tune on their website?

[beemercer]

So is jhm still in the development phase since they aren't advertising the ecu/tcu tune on their website?

give them a call/email, they recently moved their shop and I think that put a lot of projects on hold

[sandspeed]

Thay are doing the Grand Opening of their shop next weekend I think, so probably a bit busy.

[A-FourLO]

well if they are smart and indeed have advanced the 3.0 platform like they claimed they were going to they would release at least a verbal update to encourage more people to come to their "Grand Opening"

[RSicks]

well if they are smart and indeed have advanced the 3.0 platform like they claimed they were going to they would release at least a verbal update to encourage more people to come to their "Grand Opening"

Stop it, if they are not ready to release it... why would they? I would rather them wait to release a bulletproof system then rush a buggy flash.

[EErie B6]

Its out, its been out.

Their website is just lagging beind at the moment. (it's being worked on too)

[Bsix3.0]

Most people already know about the flash. But we want downpipes, damnit!

[meistah]

Lots of threads about their grand opening.... The 3.0 project car will be there, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to think that some releases / announcements will happen around that time.

[meistah]

[ANDROID184]

Its out, its been out.

Their website is just lagging beind at the moment. (it's being worked on too)

So I can call and order a tune allready?

[A-FourLO]

IJS they could chime in and say hey we have done some testing and this happened or that happened, but they have basically went AWOL then just out of the blue the come and tell everyone to show up at their grand opening? Thats kinda rediculous...OR maybe give some minor info as to what to expect from the 3.0 that you might see there.

[AudiA4_20T]

APR flashes? LOL

[meistah]

IJS they could chime in and say hey we have done some testing and this happened or that happened, but they have basically went AWOL then just out of the blue the come and tell everyone to show up at their grand opening? Thats kinda rediculous...OR maybe give some minor info as to what to expect from the 3.0 that you might see there.

They did...

APR flashes? LOL

Lol, they sell apr tunes and stage 3 kits for 1.8T's. They aren't allowed to make their own tunes for it because their tuner isn't from Germany.

[bangoman]

They aren't allowed to make their own tunes for it because their tuner isn't from Germany.

That's what I heard too. LOL.

[EErie B6]

So I can call and order a tune allready?

This is correct.

I'm surprised no one has called to see. I called to BS with Dru... during that conversation the 3.0 tune came up. Unless I completely misunderstood him, the 3.0 tune is finished (has been for a while) and is being sold/flashed onto peoples cars. He made it pretty clear, so I seriously doubt "misunderstood".

email sales@JHMotorsports.com this will get you Dru or Keaton. Both these guys like to talk about this stuff.

If you want to know how The JHM 3.0 tune runs, ask about their little face off... Both those guys drive a B6. Dru has a 1.8T on a stock turbo with EVERY bolt on possible. Keaton has a JHM tuned 3.0 (with downpipes I think) Spoiler: the 3.0 walks the 1.8T

[bangoman]

If you want to know how The JHM 3.0 tune runs, ask about their little face off... Both those guys drive a B6. Dru has a 1.8T on a stock turbo with EVERY bolt on possible. Keaton has a JHM tuned 3.0 (with downpipes I think) Spoiler: the 3.0 walks the 1.8T

This is awesome news. Any known videos of said pulls?

[EErie B6]

This is awesome news. Any known videos of said pulls?

That particular run, none that i know of. I do remember seeing one somewhere (might even be somewhere in this tread) of a JHM tuned 3.0 vs a 1+ tuned 1.8T... And the 3.0 had it. Im sure someone remembers and can dig it up. Id look for it but i am on my phone.

[AudiA4_20T]

Lol, they sell apr tunes and stage 3 kits for 1.8T's. They aren't allowed to make their own tunes for it because their tuner isn't from Germany.

What does this even mean?

[beemercer]

What does this even mean?

spoofing on some rs4 owner who said he didnt want jhm tuning his rs4 because their calibrator works for SVT and he'd rather have a German write the tune.

[meistah]

[32_d3gr33s]

So if this tune is available, how much is it?

[Greedo]

I just read this since it was recently updated.

I'd like to mention that I never once had the mindset of getting more power out of my 3.0 than what it already had. I had a B5 - it had a 2.8 - it was a pointless motor to try and tune. I bought a 3.0 because I am overall happy with the power without having to tune my motor. I have no interest in building a motor; I bought an Audi and not a Honda (my mentality, not a diss on anyone on this forum). I also like not having to deal with additional engine components, such as turbos. I'm happy with my car. Of course, more power would be wonderful, but I don't need it to be happy.

All in all the 3.0 is a good car and great for (mostly) avoiding the tuning bug. My wallet thanks me.

[meistah]

The tune is $500. As long as you have good plugs and coils, all other maintenance is up to date, no vacuum leaks you're good to go. Even on a bone stock motor it makes a very noticeable difference. Everyone who has been in / driven my car was very impressed at the difference from stock.