MTM Exhaust Interest

[maxbhp]

Is anyone interested in a potential group buy for the MTM Exhaust for our cars? If so, please PM me for more info.

For those not familiar with MTM, they are a premier Audi tuner in Germany whose exhaust has shown proven horsepower gains on the dyno. Hopefully someone can post that dyno up or link the thread. Check with google if you need more info on the company itself .

The exhaust is TUV approved and therefore is not too much louder than stock however it does have a more exotic tone than stock. I have read that the piping is 2.75" however I have not been able to confirm this yet. There are some clips on youtube that don't do it justice, but you can get an idea of the sound.

It is center resonated (should limit any droning) with an H-pipe and comes standard with dual 80mm twin pipes or (optional at a cost ) oval pipes that look similar to stock. All exhausts also include valves on the mufflers that can be controlled with the stock "S" button.

The exhaust might be one of the pricier options available for our car but it might also be nicest and most complete, with great quality and fit/finish.

[geebesRS4]

Depending on price I may be interested. I would want oval tips for sure.

[novtec1]

would be interested too.... will have the exhaust before the car but that just makes it better. when do you propose on starting this group buy?

[RS4POWER]

This might be the dyno you are looking for. Note that these gains are without tune. Are you planning on HFC?

[WerkzRS]

may also be interested if the price is right.

[CHECKERED]

may also be interested if the price is right.

ROFL...how about $4,347 (using 1euro= $1.3459)

I think the MTM kit is lined with gold on the inside...actually for 4K+ it BETTER be lined with gold...otherwise WTF?

http://www.mtm-online.de/en/Audi/RS4...-rs4aga42bqs4k

[Justincredible]

ROFL...how about $4,347 (using 1euro= $1.3459)

I think the MTM kit is lined with gold on the inside...actually for 4K+ it BETTER be lined with gold...otherwise WTF?

http://www.mtm-online.de/en/Audi/RS4...-rs4aga42bqs4k

WOW. Price definitely changes things. MTM makes the best stuff there is but that's a steep hill price wise.

[Zac]

MTM makes great products but their exhaust has never been on the top of my list.. it's just not loud enough for me

Sorry though I'de love to help the group buy

[RS4POWER]

MTM makes great products but their exhaust has never been on the top of my list.. it's just not loud enough for me

Sorry though I'de love to help the group buy

The only two RS 4 exhausts that are louder than MTM (while still sounding good and no drone) are tubi rumoure and capristo.

[Justincredible]

Just as a side note guys to protect buyers and sellers alike

Group Buys run and advertised on Audizine must be done so using one of our many fine Official Sponsors. We have lots of vendors for you guys to contact to get there help if this thread generates interest it would be a good reference to show when ever it looks like there might be a long enough list of interested people

[JibbyOne]

The only two RS 4 exhausts that are louder than MTM (while still sounding good and no drone) are tubi rumoure and capristo.

I have the AWE Non-Resonated Exhaust and I can attest that it's just as loud as those two that you mentioned, perhaps even a little louder (there is drone at 3K though).

[NastyNogaro]

Like the exhaust and love the idea that it's valved but NOT for $4k.

[duud40]

The only two RS 4 exhausts that are louder than MTM (while still sounding good and no drone) are tubi rumoure and capristo.

And awe non resonated , no cats , 2.75 inch downpipes :)

[Zac]

The only two RS 4 exhausts that are louder than MTM (while still sounding good and no drone) are tubi rumoure and capristo.

Correct, and guess which two happen to be on the top of my list

[WinterRunner]

Eh I would love to throw a MTM catback on but not for 4K. 2K maybe ;)

[maxbhp]

Just as a side note guys to protect buyers and sellers alike

Group Buys run and advertised on Audizine must be done so using one of our many fine Official Sponsors. We have lots of vendors for you guys to contact to get there help if this thread generates interest it would be a good reference to show when ever it looks like there might be a long enough list of interested people

Not at all making a thread advertising a group buy, just seeing if their is any interest in this exhaust at all to warrant the next step of contacting the manufactuere or an official site sponsor to set up a potential group buy. Guessing that we probably aren't going to get a 50% discount on the piece no matter how many we get on board it looks like their might not be much interest. Now maybe the Tubi or Capristo.....

[NY07RS4]

While I love my Tubi Rumore it is only a set of mufflers (axle back basically.) The cost for the mufflers alone (MSRP) is right around $3.2K. Factor in a custom fabbed 2.75" DP's+crossover+resonator+tubing to the mufflers and you're at about the same cost as the proven MTM. Not sure about the cost of the Capristo system but I'd imagine it sells for some coin too.

Short term plan is to piggie my extra set of OEM DP's, I have a magnaflow X waiting to be installed, then stock tubing/resonator to the Tubi's. Long term, incorporate 2.75" DP's, X, tubing, resonator into the Tubis.

[WinterRunner]

I'm just going the 2.75 all the way back no precats with a magnaflow X pipe... Stock mufflers and tips... Unless I can get my hands on some used Milltek mufflers....

[RS4POWER]

While I love my Tubi Rumore it is only a set of mufflers (axle back basically.) The cost for the mufflers alone (MSRP) is right around $3.2K. Factor in a custom fabbed 2.75" DP's+crossover+resonator+tubing to the mufflers and you're at about the same cost as the proven MTM. Not sure about the cost of the Capristo system but I'd imagine it sells for some coin too.

Short term plan is to piggie my extra set of OEM DP's, I have a magnaflow X waiting to be installed, then stock tubing/resonator to the Tubi's. Long term, incorporate 2.75" DP's, X, tubing, resonator into the Tubis.

Now we're talking! What diameter is the tubi?

[Zac]

While I love my Tubi Rumore it is only a set of mufflers (axle back basically.) The cost for the mufflers alone (MSRP) is right around $3.2K. Factor in a custom fabbed 2.75" DP's+crossover+resonator+tubing to the mufflers and you're at about the same cost as the proven MTM. Not sure about the cost of the Capristo system but I'd imagine it sells for some coin too.

Short term plan is to piggie my extra set of OEM DP's, I have a magnaflow X waiting to be installed, then stock tubing/resonator to the Tubi's. Long term, incorporate 2.75" DP's, X, tubing, resonator into the Tubis.

This, we must hear clips! Why not non-resonated?

[maxbhp]

I'm glad I got an exhaust thread up and running ...
Maybe each member adding their own sound clip to this one thread would be a good idea

RS4POWER, how do you like your Capristo? Any regrets at all and would you go the same route again?

[titanium08]

I'm glad I got an exhaust thread up and running ...
Maybe each member adding their own sound clip to this one thread would be a good idea

RS4POWER, how do you like your Capristo? Any regrets at all and would you go the same route again?

Guys, I got my heart set on the capristo...any feedeback would be appreciated

If you guys are definitely going MTm, I might budge but I love the tips on the capristo, not for everyone I know, but it goes for 4500 ouch

Hey, how do you order the v1 concealed display?

[musanoadsaba]

I didn't pay close attention, but the price on the German site likely includes VAT. You can take probably 17-20% off that immediately since there is no VAT in North America.

[WerkzRS]

While I love my Tubi Rumore it is only a set of mufflers (axle back basically.) The cost for the mufflers alone (MSRP) is right around $3.2K. Factor in a custom fabbed 2.75" DP's+crossover+resonator+tubing to the mufflers and you're at about the same cost as the proven MTM. Not sure about the cost of the Capristo system but I'd imagine it sells for some coin too.

Short term plan is to piggie my extra set of OEM DP's, I have a magnaflow X waiting to be installed, then stock tubing/resonator to the Tubi's. Long term, incorporate 2.75" DP's, X, tubing, resonator into the Tubis.

NY07RS4 whats your feedback on your tubi over all, performance sound and fit? The tubi sounds nice and from research ive done it has no drone at 3k. I'm currently negotiating w/ a fellow memebr on his tubi w/ hotchkis rear sway.

[maxbhp]

NY07RS4 whats your feedback on your tubi over all, performance sound and fit? The tubi sounds nice and from research ive done it has no drone at 3k. I'm currently negotiating w/ a fellow memebr on his tubi w/ hotchkis rear sway.

x2. Do you have pics of the Tubi installed as well? Any droning?

[RS4POWER]

Gents- here is how I feel about the capristo...

First of all choosing the right exhaust is all about personal preference and what I might hate you might love. Video clips do not do any exhaust justice and I would recommend you hearing any of these expensive exhausts prior to deciding.

The quality of the capristo is second to none. They use T309SS vs MTM T304, it is super light (don't ask me for weights) in comparison to stock. The welds are flawless, when you see them you seriously wonder if they were performed by a human! If there was an exhaust museum it would be filled with capristo setups, no doubt. I had a look under the car last month and after one year of DD there is no sign of corrosion or any wear. If I was to polish it... it would look like it did when brand new!

I absolutely love the sound especially since the carbon clean where it now sounds a lot better. Prior to CB clean the car sounded like a maserati. After the clean it sounds more like a lambo... it is that big of a difference. There is absolutely no drone and even though the setup can be loud pending on spirit it is still very comfortable to the driver and passengers. I purchased the setup with the programmable ecu (which is the only way I recommend you purchase). The exhaust setup can also perform synergistically with the "S" button but I did not like how the setup sounded this way. Also for maximum performance Capristo Germany suggests you purchase the programmable ecu for better back pressure control.

One thing to note is that the system has no h/x-pipe but Capristo told me they would perform tests with an x to see if there are any gains to be had especially on the low end.

Now to the notorious tips. As many of you know already I had a hard time deciding what to do with the tips. Being I like to keep things true to their heritage I was debating replacing the tips with ovals. When I painted the rear valance to match the alum trim the thickness and shape of the tips popped out and looked very aggressive. There are some photos that I can post up if anyone cares.

So in the end its all about what you like. To some it sounds great but its too loud. Some hate the tips.

When we gtg last spring for our annual RS 4 run in NY there was a stock car behind me when we were tearing through bear mountain. He loved how the car sounded soo much that he conctacted Alex@europrice and bought the setup that same week. He posts here from time to time perhaps he can chime in.

[NY07RS4]

Now we're talking! What diameter is the tubi?

The Tubi inlets (where it currently meets the stock cat back) is "swedged" and is roughly 2.65". This is a process done to allow for a slip on type installation and typically requires a weld for final mounting. You can use a band but the weld is highly suggested. After the swedge portion it reduces to 2.5". IMO, the mufflers themselves are so free flowing that the slightly reduced inlet (when compared to 2.75"...once I go to full 2.75") will not be a detriment to the exhaust system. The Tubi construction and internal baffles/cones etc are indentical on almost every model. So the same tubi mufflers on an 800HP TT Gallardo is what I have. I'm hoping my theory is correct and they will not be a restrictive point in the system. The good news, this will be smallest diameter in the system and it will be the furthest downstream in the system - which from what I've researched makes a difference. The closer the bottle neck is to the manifold the worse off the performace so in theory I should be fine.

[NY07RS4]

This, we must hear clips! Why not non-resonated?

I have a clip or two on youtube, nothing too fancy or impressive. Will link here in a bit. I'm not a fan of drone and without the res in place it would be an issue. Keep in mind I knew I was increasing to 2.75" when I purchased and installed the Tubi's so I knew I would def need the resonator with the larger diameter exhaust.

[NY07RS4]

NY07RS4 whats your feedback on your tubi over all, performance sound and fit? The tubi sounds nice and from research ive done it has no drone at 3k. I'm currently negotiating w/ a fellow memebr on his tubi w/ hotchkis rear sway.

Overall - love it.
Performance - car is stock performance wise with the exception of the K&N & Tubis (plus some LW parts) and I dyno'd post CB cleaning @ 325. That is fairly higher than most CB free RS4's from what I've seen so I'd imagine the two (filter & mufflers) added a few ponies.
Fit - perfect. Swedge fittings ares a NICE tidbit and I think the tips lined up fairly straight in the rear valence cutouts. If you vent the oval option you'd be happy for life. I'm STILL back & forth as to whether or not I plan to switch the tips back to ovals.
I have Hotchkis front & rear sways - LOVE the improvement, well worth the money.

[NY07RS4]

Gents- here is how I feel about the capristo...

First of all choosing the right exhaust is all about personal preference and what I might hate you might love. Video clips do not do any exhaust justice and I would recommend you hearing any of these expensive exhausts prior to deciding.

The quality of the capristo is second to none. They use T309SS vs MTM T304, it is super light (don't ask me for weights) in comparison to stock. The welds are flawless, when you see them you seriously wonder if they were performed by a human! If there was an exhaust museum it would be filled with capristo setups, no doubt. I had a look under the car last month and after one year of DD there is no sign of corrosion or any wear. If I was to polish it... it would look like it did when brand new!

I absolutely love the sound especially since the carbon clean where it now sounds a lot better. Prior to CB clean the car sounded like a maserati. After the clean it sounds more like a lambo... it is that big of a difference. There is absolutely no drone and even though the setup can be loud pending on spirit it is still very comfortable to the driver and passengers. I purchased the setup with the programmable ecu (which is the only way I recommend you purchase). The exhaust setup can also perform synergistically with the "S" button but I did not like how the setup sounded this way. Also for maximum performance Capristo Germany suggests you purchase the programmable ecu for better back pressure control.

One thing to note is that the system has no h/x-pipe but Capristo told me they would perform tests with an x to see if there are any gains to be had especially on the low end.

Now to the notorious tips. As many of you know already I had a hard time deciding what to do with the tips. Being I like to keep things true to their heritage I was debating replacing the tips with ovals. When I painted the rear valance to match the alum trim the thickness and shape of the tips popped out and looked very aggressive. There are some photos that I can post up if anyone cares.

So in the end its all about what you like. To some it sounds great but its too loud. Some hate the tips.

When we gtg last spring for our annual RS 4 run in NY there was a stock car behind me when we were tearing through bear mountain. He loved how the car sounded soo much that he conctacted Alex@europrice and bought the setup that same week. He posts here from time to time perhaps he can chime in.

I cannot wait to hear your exhaust Manny.

[RS4POWER]

I cannot wait to hear your exhaust Manny.

Are you coming to Krypto's gtg?

[oreo8716]

I'm more than likely going full jhm. Gota check out daves car after we install it at the gtg

[maxbhp]

I'm more than likely going full jhm. Gota check out daves car after we install it at the gtg

Please post pics of install and soundclips when you can

[Alex@Europrice]

Just as a side note guys to protect buyers and sellers alike

Group Buys run and advertised on Audizine must be done so using one of our many fine Official Sponsors. We have lots of vendors for you guys to contact to get there help if this thread generates interest it would be a good reference to show when ever it looks like there might be a long enough list of interested people

Maxbhp had spoken to me about all of the exhausts and this possible MTM mini-group purchase, so he's still following the rules.

The pricing on these top tier exhausts are up there, Capristo, MTM and Tubi are all exhausts I have access to. If it really boils down to it I could put together a purchase with discounting on all of these all at the same time. It would be a bit more complex, but I want people to get what suits them the best at the best price possible. As RS4Power states, picking an exhaust is all about personal preference.

These exhausts are all extremely well built, made from top quality materials and they all have their selling points. The MTM can be done with nice oval tips, even black if needed, and has shown some nice power gains on dynos here in the US. Capristo has amazing CNC'd tips (which some like and some don't), programmable valving system available and honestly is the most beautiful exhaust I have ever seen. The Tubi has some nice options, can be made very loud and gives the RS4 a nice exotic sound.

If there seems to be enough interest in all 3, or 2 or just 1 of these exhausts I can definitely put together some sale pricing for everyone. Should there be an official thread on this?

Cheers,

[Zac]

Does anyone know how the Capristo resonators sound compared to the stock RS4 resonator? I'm just trying to compare the Capristo mufflers vs. Tubi Rumore mufflers. How would they sound back to back if they were both non-resonated, how would they sound if they were both using the same stock resonator, Capristo resonators, x pipe, h pipe.. I'm sure nobody's played with this but if someone has an idea that would be great. Only reason I care about this is because if I were to get either of this systems I’d probably have them non-resonated. I like LOUD and don't mind drone. Two2 (forum member) has the standard Tubi on his non-res but with an H-pipe and it sounds BA!! I guess I'm also just wondering how Capristo would sound non-res with an x/h -pipe..

For some reason I just don't think it's a good comparison if one systems using their own resonators and the others using the stock resonator (Axle-back vs. full cat-back). On that note, takes us back to my first question, how do the Capristo resonators sound compared to the stock RS4 resonator?

I'm still leaning towards Tubi but I haven't heard either in real life and can't judge by YouTube clips.

So basically… Capristo resonators vs. stock resonator. Once again both systems are rare and I’m sure no one really has messed around with this? But if someone has done this and has info that would be great.

I have a clip or two on YouTube, nothing too fancy or impressive. Will link here in a bit. I'm not a fan of drone and without the res in place it would be an issue. Keep in mind I knew I was increasing to 2.75" when I purchased and installed the Tubi's so I knew I would def need the resonator with the larger diameter exhaust.

Yea I've heard them and the quality sounds like shit lol, sorry..

[maxbhp]

If there seems to be enough interest in all 3, or 2 or just 1 of these exhausts I can definitely put together some sale pricing for everyone. Should there be an official thread on this?

Cheers,

Yes, with sound clips and pics.

Zac - Where in Socal are you? Come out to Cars n Coffee tomorrow morning.

[RAudi Driver]

ok, now im interested. Why did you start this Max?

[Alex@Europrice]

OK on Monday I will post up an MTM, Capristo, Tubi exhaust post. I will get youtube videos of each and run through options, pricing, etc on each exhaust.

Have a good weekend,

[RS4POWER]

Does anyone know how the Capristo resonators sound compared to the stock RS4 resonator? I'm just trying to compare the Capristo mufflers vs. Tubi Rumore mufflers. How would they sound back to back if they were both non-resonated, how would they sound if they were both using the same stock resonator, Capristo resonators, x pipe, h pipe.. I'm sure nobody's played with this but if someone has an idea that would be great. Only reason I care about this is because if I were to get either of this systems I’d probably have them non-resonated. I like LOUD and don't mind drone. Two2 (forum member) has the standard Tubi on his non-res but with an H-pipe and it sounds BA!! I guess I'm also just wondering how Capristo would sound non-res with an x/h -pipe..

For some reason I just don't think it's a good comparison if one systems using their own resonators and the others using the stock resonator (Axle-back vs. full cat-back). On that note, takes us back to my first question, how do the Capristo resonators sound compared to the stock RS4 resonator?

I'm still leaning towards Tubi but I haven't heard either in real life and can't judge by YouTube clips.

So basically… Capristo resonators vs. stock resonator. Once again both systems are rare and I’m sure no one really has messed around with this? But if someone has done this and has info that would be great.



Yea I've heard them and the quality sounds like shit lol, sorry..

This is not something you do with MTM/Tubi/Capristo. I understand you are curious but a lot of money and engineering went in to these 3 options. The sound was intended to be such and tweaking is a risk I am not sure I am willing to make. I am willing to try an x-pipe on my capristo and capristo is looking fabricate such a section and do the testing for me. You would also have to consider that the capristo axle section back might not link up directly to stock thus more fabricating might be needed (you basically depreciated the whole system).

This is something I would do with a magnaflow and maybe milltek not any of the three being discussed.

Again best thing is to hear the three options up close and that will prove hard as they are not as common as others.

[Zac]

This is not something you do with MTM/Tubi/Capristo. I understand you are curious but a lot of money and engineering went in to these 3 options. The sound was intended to be such and tweaking is a risk I am not sure I am willing to make. I am willing to try an x-pipe on my capristo and capristo is looking fabricate such a section and do the testing for me. You would also have to consider that the capristo axle section back might not link up directly to stock thus more fabricating might be needed (you basically depreciated the whole system).

This is something I would do with a magnaflow and maybe milltek not any of the three being discussed.

Again best thing is to hear the three options up close and that will prove hard as they are not as common as others.

I hear you. And I understand all that 100%.. but like I said I'v heard a couple non-res Tubi's and they sound great. Also you said capristo axle section back might not link up directly to the stock resonator, well I was just using that as an example. But anyways I'm not a terrible welder and I can mess around untill I find what I like. But I still can't decide between Capristo and Tubi Rumore!