ECS Tuning RS4 H-Pipe?

[S4V8]

Anyone have one of these? Is it worth it?

http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B7_RS4...ction/ES11361/

[Zac]

This is the pipe I want to get

[richib86]

i had one at some point in time. its an good solution especially at that price, you get to retain the valves etc. but it wasnt nearly loud enough for my taste. if you're looking for a cheap exhaust the magnaflow is great. i had one of those at some point too lol. beautiful exhaust minus tips(IMO) which can easily be repaired.

[Brian0473]

I didn't have one on either of my cars but if I was going to get another RS4 I would probably go this route (and maybe with a set of downpipes). I haven't heard one in person but seems to sound good on video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5oo5eAN4pg

[RAudi Driver]

If I had to do it all over again, I would either get a Tubi, which I heard last night, or the same Milltek that currently have on the car now. You've got an RS4, why not just go all the way with the mods.

[Mr Hyde]

If I dont like the JHM offering, I will probably go with the H-pipe combined with piggie pipes, and then keep the factory mufflers with the functioning S button.

[Retsujou]

You really want an X-Pipe on this kind of engine. I think Richib (who switched to an S4) had the H-pipe. Just search the older posts.

[Euro_Trash]

I have this on mine. The quality is pretty good and it's easy to install. Wasn't as loud as I would have liked but a noticeable difference, especially in "S" mode. I plan on doing piggies and I'm sure that will make a huge difference.

[richib86]

You really want an X-Pipe on this kind of engine. I think Richib (who switched to an S4) had the H-pipe. Just search the older posts.

did u miss my post lol? yea thats another thing i should have mentioned... i think this car NEEDS an x pipe. i ran a H and X and hands down this car is much better with a X pipe

[Brian0473]

Does anyone actually make an X pipe for this car?

[S4V8]

You really want an X-Pipe on this kind of engine.

....says the guy with the "Magnaflow X-Pipe" on his RS4....

Why wouldn't I add something this to my car? Is there something wrong with putting an X-Pipe on "this kind of engine"? Not sure what you mean by this comment any way...sounds dumb to be honest. Your making it sound like it will damage or negatively impact the performance in some way...it's an x-pipe.

Im simply inquiring about a product that I saw online. Wondering if anyone has it and what they thought. Im not sure how my asking/posting this means I want one? Im simply curious.

.....And BTW - I recommend you proof read your responses before posting. You always seem to respond with a "Mr. Know It All" type answer and attitude. Take a few breathes before typing, or better yet...don't repsond at all.

[jstahmann]

Have the ECS H pipe and love it. I have hollowed out my pre-cats, have the H pipe for the center section, and the rear section of my exhaust is flanged so I can run 3 different sets of rear pipes - the stock mufflers, Flowmaster 40s, or straight pipes.


Here's a shot of the straight pipes rear section. You can see the flange where they simply bolt on to the exhaust system in place of the rear mufflers:





Here's how the piggies, H pipe, and straight pipes sound on the track:





My local muffler shop uses nice oval tips - a must on the RS4:





And here's how the piggies, H pipe, and Flowmaster 40s sound in the parking lot:





X pipes give an exhaust a smoother sound, especially in the high rpms, while an H pipe will give you a rougher raw muscle car sound. It really all depends on what sound you want. IMO there's not one 'right' sound - it's up to the owner. I've heard some say that the X pipe gives slightly more power and the H pipe gives slightly more torque.

[richib86]

....says the guy with the "Magnaflow X-Pipe" on his RS4....

Why wouldn't I add something this to my car? Is there something wrong with putting an X-Pipe on "this kind of engine"? Not sure what you mean by this comment any way...sounds dumb to be honest. Your making it sound like it will damage or negatively impact the performance in some way...it's an x-pipe.

uh... hes saying hes for x-pipes. the ecs pipe is an H pipe which is the cars stock configuration. H pipes give this car a "farty" sound whereas the x-pipe more "racey" . the H-pipe will do nothing in terms of performance the X-pipe maybe a few horses since it equalizes the exhaust gas pulses. and whats wrong with the magnaflow X-pipe section? do you have ANY experience with it? have you ever seen it? do you know what kind of X-pipe it is for you to dismiss it just cause it might have a name that you associate with american cars?

fail...

[richib86]

And here's how the piggies, H pipe, and Flowmaster 40s sound in the parking lot

this setup sounds sick i want WOT

[beemercer]

....says the guy with the "Magnaflow X-Pipe" on his RS4....

Why wouldn't I add something this to my car? Is there something wrong with putting an X-Pipe on "this kind of engine"? Not sure what you mean by this comment any way...sounds dumb to be honest. Your making it sound like it will damage or negatively impact the performance in some way...it's an x-pipe.

Im simply inquiring about a product that I saw online. Wondering if anyone has it and what they thought. Im not sure how my asking/posting this means I want one? Im simply curious.

.....And BTW - I recommend you proof read your responses before posting. You always seem to respond with a "Mr. Know It All" type answer and attitude. Take a few breathes before typing, or better yet...don't repsond at all.

... wow


I'd definitely go for a nice shallow merge X-pipe. They work well, and will be included in the JHM/FI offering. I've had an x-pipe with the same design on both my S4 and A6 and judging by the numbers my S4 put it down it definitely works.

[RAudi Driver]

uh... hes saying hes for x-pipes. the ecs pipe is an H pipe which is the cars stock configuration. H pipes give this car a "farty" sound whereas the x-pipe more "racey" . the H-pipe will do nothing in terms of performance the X-pipe maybe a few horses since it equalizes the exhaust gas pulses. and whats wrong with the magnaflow X-pipe section? do you have ANY experience with it? have you ever seen it? do you know what kind of X-pipe it is for you to dismiss it just cause it might have a name that you associate with american cars?

fail...

I showed Danny at FI the Magnaflow X-Pipe that my buddy wanted to install and he advised against it stating that it's not a good design.

[jstahmann]

There's a lot more to it than just sticking an X pipe somewhere in your exhaust system and everything is optimized. The correct X pipe in the correct place in your exhaust makes a difference.

All V8 engines, with 9O degree cranks, have an out of sync imbalance in their firing order between the right
and left cylinder banks. Yes, they do go "tsoing-Boing", The firing order imbalance is a necessary sacrifice for
dynamic balance of the rotating and reciprocating crank, rods and pistons. Each time the firing order is completed
(two full revolutions), two cylinders within each bank will fire and exhaust within 9O degrees of each other. These
two cylinders will be exhausting into the header collector or exhaust manifold almost simultaneously. This
overlapping condition creates a lot of back pressure and a pop sound. Meanwhile the opposite exhaust manifold
has no activity (or pressure in it at all, This is where the characteristic, low harsh popping V8 sound comes from,
The most common way of reducing this out-of-sync imbalance is with rebalancing crossovers such as H pipes and
over-and-under X style crossovers. These provide both noise reductions and efficiency (power) improvements. H
pipes are effective only at low and mid range. The over-and-under X crossover works a little better but still does
not completely rebalance the exhaust at high RPM.

Dr. Gas, lnc. has developed a new generation of crossovers that uses a tangentlally siamesed junction, in place of
the H or over-and-under X. lt evenly splits, smoothes, and synchronizes exhaust pressures at all engine speeds.
The high and low pressure pulses in the two pipes are evenly imposed on each other, leveling out the pulse time
history pressure differences between right and left cylinder banks: Re-synchronizing the exhaust pulses reduces
back pressure, cancels sound, and provides additional scavenging. Tests have shown up to 6 dBa 175% reduction
in sound levels! Horsepower, economy, and throttle response are improved. Exhaust flow after the crossover is
completely srnoothed out. The job the headers started is finished.

One of the most appealing benefits of this system is the modified exhaust note. The deep growling and popping
sound is replaced by a higher pitched smooth sound. The exhaust note is similar to a 180 degree header system
without the nightmare of tubing.

"We use a four-into-one header on each bank and do some special stuff to the cross-over pipe so that the high-pressure pulse caused by those two cylinders firing close together is vented through the cross over into the other exhaust pipe when the pressure over there is low. There are some reflected pressure waves that have to be timed right, but the result is a slightly lower pressure in the exhaust system downstream of the cross over. That lower pressure encourages more flow through the engine which makes more power. The modified pressure waves in the exhaust is what makes the unique sound, a higher-frequency sound. That pop sound has been smoothed out. That sound is what says the system is working."

Dr Gas is a local shop that pioneered the x pipe exhaust systems that almost all of the Nascar teams have used in the last 20 years. Anyone who knows about exhaust has heard about Dr Gas.

Here's a good read on it... Dr Gas Synchronicity

Two of us RS4 owners have approached him about doing an exhaust for us, but neither of us has followed through with it. Perhaps one of these days we will.

[beemercer]

Fuck, get some 180* headers fabbed up... problem solved

[S4V8]

uh... hes saying hes for x-pipes. the ecs pipe is an H pipe which is the cars stock configuration. H pipes give this car a "farty" sound whereas the x-pipe more "racey" . the H-pipe will do nothing in terms of performance the X-pipe maybe a few horses since it equalizes the exhaust gas pulses. and whats wrong with the magnaflow X-pipe section? do you have ANY experience with it? have you ever seen it? do you know what kind of X-pipe it is for you to dismiss it just cause it might have a name that you associate with american cars?

fail...

I got my X and H pipes mixed up.

Still not a fan of his responses, I know im not the first to make note of this. Since your his "buddy", you should pass along the advice.

[richib86]

this has nothing to do with being buddies, he is quite capable of reading. you made an ignorant comment which is why i made my comments. people on here are quite sarcastic and that's something that any audizine member should welcome with open arms because it is something that will never change. fact is there is a lot of great information that flows thru here and negativity will just get you shit on verbally from others

[WinterRunner]

For the money it is a nice addition. It sounds the way the factory setup should have. Still, if I could do it over Id just straight pipe the resonator area, and do a shallow X-pipe fright after the Dp's with gutted precats... Still it's a nice piece that should have no ill effects on the car....

[Retsujou]

There's a lot more to it than just sticking an X pipe somewhere in your exhaust system and everything is optimized. The correct X pipe in the correct place in your exhaust makes a difference.

Absolutely agree with you on everything you said. The modification to my exhaust system are for sound only, they really were not meant to give me more power. The X-pipe I chose and the location is based on a bit of tinkering and then listening to the sound mostly.
Would be very interesting to understand what the thinking behind the JHM setup is. Do you still have the contact info for Dr Gas? I would be happy to follow up with him on this.

[Retsujou]

.....And BTW - I recommend you proof read your responses before posting. You always seem to respond with a "Mr. Know It All" type answer and attitude. Take a few breathes before typing, or better yet...don't repsond at all.

I think you misread my answer and as you have already been corrected for that, I will not dwell on it. Let me say one thing to you though. I really do not care how people perceive me on this board. I am not here to win a beauty contest. When I make a statement I very carefully consider what I am saying in terms of content. I like to stay as close to the facts as I possible can. Of course I have been wrong and other members on this forum were not shy to point that out. I thank them for it, it makes me a better owner and it makes me a better resource for people like yourself. The ones that are curious or new owners and have not spent as much time on the topic.

I am definitely not here to hold your hand or anyone else. I do not scream at people and I do not call people names, I usually try to be as polite as someone else is towards me. How my attitude is perceived through writing by complete strangers is really not something I worry about at all.

jstahmann has reiterated my statement in much more detail. I should have probably followed my initial statement with the type of explanation he gave. For missing to do that I apologise. I spend a lot of my private time researching and helping the community. I was the first guy to post about the Capristo exhaust on this forum and I did so because I have passion for this car.

That said aside, you are of course correct. If you dislike the way I type, then either do not read my answers or block me. I am sure you can figure out how. I wish you the very best finding the perfect setup for your car.

[jareds941]

I have the H-pipe with stock everything else and I dig the sound.

Mick has H-pipe mated with piggies and I don't think there is a better sounding option out there. This was a particularly attractive option for me because keeping the valves is a priority to me, and spending the big bucks on a valved Milltek is not attractive.

yeah, an X-pipe, placed in the right location will make the most power, but really, there isn't much to be made on just an exhaust on this car...it really is "mostly" about sound, in my opinion.

I'll be going the piggie route soon and then I'll be set. And since I managed to score the H-pipe for free, and will piggie them myself, will be a damn cheap, bad ass sounding exhaust!

[Zac]

lol war war...fight fight. I love AZ!

[S4V8]

lol war war...fight fight. I love AZ!

No wars here.

I think you misread my answer and as you have already been corrected for that, I will not dwell on it. Let me say one thing to you though. I really do not care how people perceive me on this board. I am not here to win a beauty contest. When I make a statement I very carefully consider what I am saying in terms of content. I like to stay as close to the facts as I possible can. Of course I have been wrong and other members on this forum were not shy to point that out. I thank them for it, it makes me a better owner and it makes me a better resource for people like yourself. The ones that are curious or new owners and have not spent as much time on the topic.

I am definitely not here to hold your hand or anyone else. I do not scream at people and I do not call people names, I usually try to be as polite as someone else is towards me. How my attitude is perceived through writing by complete strangers is really not something I worry about at all.

jstahmann has reiterated my statement in much more detail. I should have probably followed my initial statement with the type of explanation he gave. For missing to do that I apologise. I spend a lot of my private time researching and helping the community. I was the first guy to post about the Capristo exhaust on this forum and I did so because I have passion for this car.

That said aside, you are of course correct. If you dislike the way I type, then either do not read my answers or block me. I am sure you can figure out how. I wish you the very best finding the perfect setup for your car.

Guess I misunderstood your response and took it as if I was some noob who was asking a stupid question. My apologies for coming off like a jerk and taking it to this level. I've read several of your posts on here and it seems you are trying to help.

Carry on....

[prindone]

My local muffler shop uses nice oval tips - a must on the RS4:

Hi there, where do you found this item?

And the Flowmaster's 40 too?

[rs4 tony]

heres mine, deflapped and h-PIPE...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccqhv8M7Zs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnrTU..._order&list=UL

[vdubjetta02]

The H pipe is purely for sound. No power to be gained. If that is all you are after then yes, its a quality part.

However If owned an RS4 I would probably buy TUBI with downpipes. Perfect sound & power gains.

I only own the S4 so I am sticking with JHM parts.

[WinterRunner]

You do know a tubi is only axle back.. Only real gains on that setup would be the piggies. Alos factor in the 300$ for the H pie, as opposed to 2K+ for just the Tubi.....

[vdubjetta02]

You do know a tubi is only axle back.. Only real gains on that setup would be the piggies. Alos factor in the 300$ for the H pie, as opposed to 2K+ for just the Tubi.....

WinterRunner, I was not aware. I have found many youtube videos that say "Tubi With Downpipes" So I presumed it was a full system.

I just Love this RS4 with tubi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvyyz7AF18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9gP9iT9Jo

[prindone]

What you call down-pipes it's like the piggies pipes?

This it's a sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-iuty7175A


I like Bn-pipes too specialy with the center section it's amazing!

[oreo8716]

i have one for sale pm me 4000 miles on it not that it matters.

[rs4 tony]

i have one for sale pm me 4000 miles on it not that it matters.

What u got for sale?

[B6JoeS4]

Tubi should only be purchased if you're willing to spend that much money for just some nice sound. It's only 2.25" piping, so don't get it expecting any power gains.

[oreo8716]

ecs h pipe

[prindone]

What's the price, do you ship international?

Regards

[Al Waleed]

Can someone tell what is the set up to mix up H-Pipe or X-Pipe with Piggies while keeping the Stock Mufflers and what is the expected Results and Performance ? If with Video Shots would be preferable

Thanks

[Al Waleed]

I am not getting the exact workout operation of the ESC H-Pipe. Is it removing the whole centre section of the Exhaust (the middle pipe starting after headers to the mufflers) by being a straight pipe instead !? If that what it does than I assume sound may gets much louder than members have shared and posted as it deletes ALL Resonators in the mentioned Mid pipe , although the youtube video of the ECS H-Pipe showes almost stock sound of the exhaust !

Also in terms of power if the above Set Up is the right combination as I understood , the gain shoud be increaasd as it frees the restriction at the resonators. Thats why I think power shall be increased.

Correct me if mistaken Please about Sound & Power. I am not much aware about the Natural Aspirated Engines

[dparm]

Al Waleed, it only removes a small section of the exhaust. It will make the car louder. If the rest of the exhaust system is left alone, you won't get much of a power increase. The downpipes, catalytic converters, and mufflers are still very restrictive.