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    Transmission output shaft seal?

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    So I took my '02 (w/ 90,000) into the stealership for the Coilpack recall and they did the "bumper to bumper" inspection and I got a call from my service rep, at first telling me that my Transmission output shaft seal was seeping...

    ...about an hour later he said its maybe a little more that a seep and said they would replace it for $315


    What should this actually cost to get done? and is it something I should get taken care of soon? Kind of clueless when it comes to repairs so any help you guys can send my way would be greatly appreciated

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    bump...I'm doing this soon, part number I have for the seal is 01V 409 399 A. I've seen DIY where they need to remove a plug to get to the retaining clip that holds the shaft flange on. I've also read some people say there isn't a retaining clip, rather, a bolt holding the flange on. Anybody done this? To remove the flange, in order to change the seal, do you just need to remove a bolt or do you need to remove the plug, and then fish out a retaining clip?

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    mine leaks there a bit as well. my mechanic put it on the list of things to do in the near future, and told me it was common on these cars and wasn't that big of a deal to replace it. I'll report back after I get it done.

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    On my 2003 Tip I started by draining the center differential oil. Then I had to remove the six allen key bolts to disconnect the drive shaft from the output flange. The shaft drops down (support it with some bailing wire to the exhaust pipe) then there is a bolt in the center of the flange that you pull out. You will need a torx socket to loosen it. Then the output flange just slides out. Pull the old seal with a flat blade screw driver and press the new seal in. Don't press it in to far using a socket and a rubber mallet. The only hard part is keeping the rubber gasket in place between the flange and the drive shaft when reinstalling the drive shaft. Fill it back up with gear oil and you should be ready to go. Took about 40 minutes to replace it. BTW clean the seal surface of the output flange and coat it and the inside surface of the seal with clean gear oil before you reinstall the flange. The dealer wanted $72 for the seal alone. I ordered it from ECS Tuning for around $7 and change.

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    OK, man, this makes me feel better--I thought I was losing automatic transmission fluid from this thing. If its just gear oil---that seems much cheaper. Go with a quality synthetic? Any suggestions on which one? Doesnt have to be specific does it?
    I may try this on my own-- I may take it in to my non-Audi guy (he's much much cheaper than my INDY specialty shop.
    Off to ECS to find the seal.

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    This would be the factory fluid:
    http://www.ecstuning.com/ES465371/

    Any synthetic 75W90 is fine.
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    I just replaced ALL of my tranny shaft seals. The trans was being pulled to install a new 517 Trans torque converter so there wasn't much in additional labor.

    New Seals, Synthetic fluid, 517 Torque converter makes for a decent feeling TIP. Now if only I could get a TCU tune...
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    Does any one know where I can get the whole guide assembly? Rather than replacing the seal I want to just replace the whole thing. Can some one provide a list of all the seals on the tranny? There is the front guide seal, rear seal and both front and left seals right?

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    Input shaft Seal p/n:012311113B

    ^For manual transmissions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    Input shaft Seal p/n:012311113B

    ^For manual transmissions
    Thanks. And thanks for the transmission TYPE clarification, as I don't see that otherwise mentioned in this thread. Or do all B6-spec transmissions use the same output seal?

    Besides input and output seals, are they other seals which should be pro-actively replaced at the 100K+ mileage level while the transmission is out for a clutch replacement? The two axle seals perhaps?
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    The rear OUTPUT shaft seals for the B6 chassis are as follows:

    For 5-speed manual trans quattro "01A": 01A 409 400 B ($7)
    For 6-speed manual trans quattro "01E" (2002-2003 V6 only): 01E 409 400 ($33)
    For 6-speed manual trans quattro "02X" (All 2004+): 02X 409 400 ($63)
    For 6-speed manual trans quattro "0A3" (B6 S4): 01E 409 400 ($33)

    For Auto trans "09L" (6-speed AT quattro, B6 S4): 09E 409 399 ($33)

    For Auto trans "01V" (5-speed AT quattro): 018 409 399 B ($7)

    *Note: the 5-speed "01V" auto trans rear seal is very common to leak. After replacement, it would not be uncommon for it to leak again in 50k miles. There is a factory upgraded seal to fix the issue, but it requires also changing the flange itself at a parts cost of over $300.
    Auto trans (5-speed AT quattro) Seal Upgrade parts:
    Seal w/dust lip: 01V409399A ($60)
    Flange with clearance for dust lip: 01V409809A ($300+)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPDISXR4Ti View Post
    Thanks. And thanks for the transmission TYPE clarification, as I don't see that otherwise mentioned in this thread. Or do all B6-spec transmissions use the same output seal?

    Besides input and output seals, are they other seals which should be pro-actively replaced at the 100K+ mileage level while the transmission is out for a clutch replacement? The two axle seals perhaps?

    I'm wondering the same thing, so far I've book marked both front axle seals, front shaft seal (is that behind the guide sleeve? there is an inner and out seal -not sure if I have the inner or outer) Rear shaft seal, rear main seal. This guide sleeve has 2 seals, one on the outer edge and one on the inner edge where it mates to the tranny. A replacement guide sleeve is 130 at the dealer here and 75 on ebay. Too bad I don't have a 6 speed, theres one for 30 bucks on ebay!!! Basically I'm just looking for the guide sleeve seals and I'm going to begin my clutch work. I've made a clutch thread and people like Charles Waite have been pretty helpful. I've never done a clutch before and I'm just trying to replace any seals or things that aren't mega expensive while it's all apart. If you view my thread you'll see the things I'm ordering, http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...slip?p=9085518

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    front axle flang seal left and right 5.21 016409399B
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B6_A4-...ntial/ES10085/

    main tranny shaft behind guide sleeve seal 5.95 012311113B
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...13B/ES1356489/

    propeller Driveshaft Flange Seal 6.34 01A409400B
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B6_A4-...ial/ES2598103/

    rear main 29.95 06A103171A
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B6_A4-...ain/ES1899281/

    I think that's everything. Maybe I could do the rear diff too while I'm at it.
    Motul Gear 300 is only 19.95 with free shipping on Amazon. Might as well change the front fluid since I'll have the tranny off.
    Interesting the tranny takes such thick lubricant.
    Last edited by jacobsen; 09-24-2013 at 11:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    Input shaft Seal p/n:012311113B

    ^For manual transmissions
    Using that part number I'll save a couple bucks by not searching by make and model on ecs, the exact same part popped up under porsche for a few bucks less lol

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    You'll save more money by shopping around. IE not buying from ECS.

    For what it's worth I was going to get my motul gear 300 on Amazon but I walked into my local CarQuest and they said they could have their distributor get them 5 quarts by the next day for only $13/qt.

    Worth calling around as it's definitely overpriced on amazon.
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    Thanks for all the good info provided here.

    As far as fluids go, is there just one fill location for the 01A 5-speed?

    It sounds like it would make sense to replace the center diff fluid at the same time. Does it spec the same 75W-90? Capacity?

    I guess I really should pick up at least the Haynes manual for this car. http://www.amazon.com/Audi-2002-2008.../ref=pd_cp_b_0
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    Manual trannies only have one fill location , the front and center diff and transmission fluids are all shared.
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    Checking with our sources to see if we can get an aftermarket part to lower costs even more.


    *Edit Aftermarket is available

    Click HERE to order or for more information

    Jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    Manual trannies only have one fill location , the front and center diff and transmission fluids are all shared.
    Okay, got it - thanks! Anyone happen to know the capacity offhand?
    Brad 2002 Quattro 1.8T w/ 2.8 B5 5-speed

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    I got the seal dimensions, then hopped on ebay and ordered a double lipped rotating shaft oil seal in the same size. 3 bucks vs 60 from the dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddillenger View Post
    I got the seal dimensions, then hopped on ebay and ordered a double lipped rotating shaft oil seal in the same size. 3 bucks vs 60 from the dealer.
    What brand? Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles.waite View Post
    You'll save more money by shopping around. IE not buying from ECS.

    For what it's worth I was going to get my motul gear 300 on Amazon but I walked into my local CarQuest and they said they could have their distributor get them 5 quarts by the next day for only $13/qt.

    Worth calling around as it's definitely overpriced on amazon.

    I called every auto zone in my area and the lowest I can get it is whole sale for 19.89.
    I also got most of my seals from them too! Car quest... Not bad. My rear main will be a Victor Reins. I like there gaskets. The valve cover, tube seal and timing seals were vr and it came with a big tube of reinzosil for 31 bucks... Think that came form blauparts or something on ebay.

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    You guys might want to click on the link Jason provided above. ECS now has one listed for $3.16.
    Brad 2002 Quattro 1.8T w/ 2.8 B5 5-speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPDISXR4Ti View Post
    You guys might want to click on the link Jason provided above. ECS now has one listed for $3.16.


    Remember to pick up fluid as well!

    Click HERE to order or for more information

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    Assuming you have a tiptronic...

    If it's the rear output seal, then do not use the double lip seal.. It will just leak again. Audi retrofitted a new triple lip seal and a flange, which is probably why it costs so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty@Advanced View Post
    Assuming you have a tiptronic...

    If it's the rear output seal, then do not use the double lip seal.. It will just leak again. Audi retrofitted a new triple lip seal and a flange, which is probably why it costs so much.
    I got the 5 speed manual, all axle seals are the same part number, the seals between the tranny and rear diff are different I think?

    there are diff to axle seals, all the same.
    radial shaft seal for the guide sleeve
    O-Ring for the Guide sleeve
    Tranny output shaft seal
    Rear shaft seal to diff
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    Checking with our sources to see if we can get an aftermarket part to lower costs even more.


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    Click HERE to order or for more information

    Jason

    Could you please tell me where that seal fits? I've got the rear main, all 4 axle seals, the rear diff seal the transmission prop seal, the guide sleeve O-Ring and what I believe to be the inner seal for the guide sleeve which is 012311113B? are these the same seals?

    or to put it easier
    Whats the difference between this Radial Shaft Seal http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...172/ES1356489/

    And this Input Shaft Seal
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...172/ES2696172/

    I thought I had every thing until I realized that part number you gave doesn't come up for any of the b6 5 speed seals?

    lol is the radial shaft seal the same as the inner guide sleeve seal? And the seal your posting is a seal behind that in the transmission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecarus View Post
    I just replaced ALL of my tranny shaft seals. The trans was being pulled to install a new 517 Trans torque converter so there wasn't much in additional labor.

    New Seals, Synthetic fluid, 517 Torque converter makes for a decent feeling TIP. Now if only I could get a TCU tune...
    I here ya, the general lack of TCU tunes for our B6 1.8Ts mystifies me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen View Post
    Could you please tell me where that seal fits? I've got the rear main, all 4 axle seals, the rear diff seal the transmission prop seal, the guide sleeve O-Ring and what I believe to be the inner seal for the guide sleeve which is 012311113B? are these the same seals?

    or to put it easier
    Whats the difference between this Radial Shaft Seal http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...172/ES1356489/

    And this Input Shaft Seal
    http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Site...172/ES2696172/

    I thought I had every thing until I realized that part number you gave doesn't come up for any of the b6 5 speed seals?

    lol is the radial shaft seal the same as the inner guide sleeve seal? And the seal your posting is a seal behind that in the transmission?
    They are the same. One part number is superseded meaning the part number changes but the actual part is still the same. This part is your input shaft seal on the transmission.

    Below is a pic of its location.



    Jason
    Last edited by ECS Tuning-Audi; 10-01-2013 at 07:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi View Post
    They are the same. One part number is superseded meaning the part number changes but the actual part is still the same. This part is your input shaft seal on the transmission.

    Below is a pic of its location.



    Jason

    Thanks, I know the guide tube has 2 seals, one inner and one outer which is an O-Ring which is what 10 should be? Looks like 10A goes into the recess of the input shaft. But I thought the guide sleeve had it's own seals before the 10A seal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobsen View Post
    Thanks, I know the guide tube has 2 seals, one inner and one outer which is an O-Ring which is what 10 should be? Looks like 10A goes into the recess of the input shaft. But I thought the guide sleeve had it's own seals before the 10A seal
    I can only go by what the diagram says. #10 I would assume to be the o ring seal. #10A is the one that goes into the transmission.

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