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    Question Meth=Antifreeze?

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    This is going to sound REALLY stupid, but I have a question.

    A client of mine mentioned he was installing meth (Snow Performance) on his SRT-8 Jeep. We got to talking more and he mentioned he was using his windshield washer expansion tank as the reservoir...so I asked where he was going to put his expansion tank for the washer fluid.

    That led us to the discussion that a methyl alcohol washer fluid that is diluted to 50% meth and 50% water almost identically mimics the properties of boost juice...at a fraction of the cost, and available at Wal-Mart.

    I have never read this, and although I do not run meth, I browse through the build section and would have thought something would have come up.

    So....does everyone know this except for me?
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    yup.

    Not Coolant Antifreeze, but gas line antifreeze. HEET. Also availible at almost any gas station.
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    It's very common to use washer fluid for Meth injection. 2 bux a gallon and really easy to get lol. When I get my supercharger installed and get to the point that I am planning on putting meth on thats what I will use and its going to run straight off the reservoir. Is he supercharged or anything? If not why is he putting meth on? Totally pointless on an N/A
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    Veteran Member Four Rings .Mad Hatter.'s Avatar
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    He is N/A, it will lower the IAT either way so he expects to see some improvement. He also plans to go FI at some point, he is building the framework. Plus he is running faster than a local turbocharged SRT-8 Cherokee anyway, lol.

    Haenszel, what is the difference? If you could find a 50:50 (-50*C) coolant antifreeze would it not work?

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    I've heard others advise against using the generic blue windshield washer fluid, because, while it does contain a high ratio of methanol, it also consists of a few other additives that can, through extended use, potentially cause damage to your engine (specifically the blue dye and a chemical called Glycol). It's VERY important to find the proper solution (or mixture) in order to run the stuff safely.

    Some of the best "over-the-counter" stuff is called methyl-hydrate (also sold as wood alcohol), which is 99.9% methanol, and can be found at some local hardware stores. Personally, I won't be using anything less than pure methanol, and diluting it with distilled water myself.....I don't wanna risk the possibility of any other additives contaminating my system.

    For those that are interested, this has been discussed a bit in the S4 section:
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    Copied from the thread I posted above:

    Where can I get methanol?
    One of the best sources that some probably don't realize is from wal-mart or anywhere that sells basic windshield wiper fluid. Just make sure you don't get the stuff with Glycol in it...this is the same stuff used in engine anti-freeze. It won't work well, or could damage you engine. See the table below for more info:
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    that would be the best bet (HEET) i suppose, and then you could mix yourself. apparently the -50* stuff 50% meth, 50% water (have not looked into other additives present though.)

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    Yea....the HEET stuff apparently isn't too bad, but I'm not aware what the other 1% is in that mixture. Fortunately (for me), a few locals have recently bought 55 gallon drums of pure methanol, so I'll have a supply of the good stuff once I get my car functioning again
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumboBlack1.8 View Post
    Yea....the HEET stuff apparently isn't too bad, but I'm not aware what the other 1% is in that mixture. Fortunately (for me), a few locals have recently bought 55 gallon drums of pure methanol, so I'll have a supply of the good stuff once I get my car functioning again
    VP racing usually has a distributor within a reasonable distance. I picked up a 5 gallon drum months ago and still have plenty left. While it's a bit more expensive, you atleast know what you're getting.

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    Is there anyone that has actually damaged an engine using the washer fluid? Assuming you don't use one with glycol, which still will not hurt it very easily due to the fact I've seen more then enough blown head gaskets or leaky chevy intakes burning tons of coolant with no ill long term effects (after fixing the problem). Looks like using the Super Tech washer fluid would be a great way to go. The big thing is what its being used for. Some people use it strictly to raise octane while I am going to use it just for the IAT's due to running a hot supercharger. If I want to raise my octane I'll look into E85. Basically just don't use a De-icer fluid and you shouldn't see any long term side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JumboBlack1.8 View Post
    Yea....the HEET stuff apparently isn't too bad, but I'm not aware what the other 1% is in that mixture. Fortunately (for me), a few locals have recently bought 55 gallon drums of pure methanol, so I'll have a supply of the good stuff once I get my car functioning again
    That stuff better be safe... Think about it... its a fuel line de-icer meaning its meant to run in your engine. It's not like a "my lines are frozen lets put this in" thing either, its a "it could freeze so lets put this in" kinda deal.

    Could always do 100 proof Vodka straight up in it LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody5788 View Post
    Could always do 100 proof Vodka straight up in it LOL
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    If you're just looking to lower your IAT's, run straight distilled water. It has twice the latent heat of methanol.

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    I drank almost the whole bottle on my 21st birthday many years ago. I can't drink it now though. On topic though you can check walmart fopr any deals on the heet and pick it up by the case for a very good price.
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    There ya go 151 and 30% distilled water and your all good! If it's safe to drink then it's gotta be safe to burn lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody5788 View Post
    Is there anyone that has actually damaged an engine using the washer fluid? Assuming you don't use one with glycol, which still will not hurt it very easily due to the fact I've seen more then enough blown head gaskets or leaky chevy intakes burning tons of coolant with no ill long term effects (after fixing the problem). Looks like using the Super Tech washer fluid would be a great way to go. The big thing is what its being used for. Some people use it strictly to raise octane while I am going to use it just for the IAT's due to running a hot supercharger. If I want to raise my octane I'll look into E85. Basically just don't use a De-icer fluid and you shouldn't see any long term side effects.
    The problem often lies in the dye clogging the meth jets. Clogged jet/more boost/timing tweaks and you could be in for some trouble. For me, the cost difference is minimal, so I run pure VP-M1 and distilled water. I also thoroughly washed out my washer reservoir when I did the install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pit viper View Post
    If you're just looking to lower your IAT's, run straight distilled water. It has twice the latent heat of methanol.
    I want to make sure this doesn't get missed.

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    Geoff, You can pick up clear Methylhydrate at Home Hardware, they stock it right on the shelves in a clear jug and a whitesticker that actually says Methylhydrate. I think its like 10 bucks for 4L or something

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    What Meth kit did you pick up, how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dowsett6 View Post
    Geoff, You can pick up clear Methylhydrate at Home Hardware, they stock it right on the shelves in a clear jug and a whitesticker that actually says Methylhydrate. I think its like 10 bucks for 4L or something
    wow, good to know, thanks!

    Chris, i have not made the leap yet

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    Ah gotcha, I think I may pick something up around next summer when the Texas heat comes back.
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    i will probably wait until about that time too. did you build your motor at any time chris, or is it stock?

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    I think it should be added that short answer is: No you cannot run antifreeze lol
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    Find a VP distributor. 99.9% methanol from them is only $6/gal. C'mon now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Mad Hatter. View Post
    i will probably wait until about that time too. did you build your motor at any time chris, or is it stock?
    Still stock :(.I REALLY need to build it before something blows. I wanna do just rods for now until I can go with a 2.0L setup down the road. I just don;t have a grasp for what it takes to do the minimum just to get some rods in.
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    i ran meth. i used orange de-icer and it was fine. But i did make a switch to VP meth diluted 50/50 distilled. so 10 gallons of juice cost about $35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie View Post
    But i did make a switch to VP meth diluted 50/50 distilled. so 10 gallons of juice cost about $35.
    That's my weapon of choice as well.



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