Project Papa Smurf Version 2.0 - Better, Bigger, Badder

**Mantis** · 03-31-2011 02:25 PM

I have ECUx, perhaps if you are real nice.......

**Don Supreme** · 03-31-2011 02:45 PM

Mustang or dynojet?

Thats really good power for only 23 psi with no meth.

**RONDAL** · 03-31-2011 03:04 PM

Dynocom is the brand of the dyno.
Personally I could give a shit about dyno #'s. It's like saying you weigh 195.7lbs and some guy saying he's 197 on another. They'll always be different. They're simply for dick swinging and nothing more.

Either which way you cut it, anything over 400whp is FAST. how fast is determined solely on the size of your speeding tickets

**jibberjive** · 03-31-2011 09:42 PM

Good attitude on the dyno. Good numbers anyways though!

**RONDAL** · 03-31-2011 09:54 PM

i mean really though, aside from making a trip to EPL, or another big name shop 30+ hours drive from me, there is no way to see how it stacks up against say gearheads car or flying-guy in Colorado. The altitude alone here where I am tuning at 3000' is one thing. The humidity, temps, dyno. There's just too many variables.

We know its in the ballpark of where all the other 605 cars are...which is ~450whp. And any way you cut it, thats FAST.

The list of production 530hp cars is NOT very big. What is big is the price tag for them.

**RONDAL** · 03-31-2011 09:59 PM

Someone sent me a list of similiar HP cars to put it into perspective for me yesterday:

612 Scagletti
Lambo Gallardo
Cadillac CTS-V
MB SLS-AMG
Dodge Viper
997 GT2
430 Scuderia

The list is impressive to say the least.

**jibberjive** · 03-31-2011 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by RONDAL

i mean really though, aside from making a trip to EPL, or another big name shop 30+ hours drive from me, there is no way to see how it stacks up against say gearheads car or flying-guy in Colorado. The altitude alone here where I am tuning at 3000' is one thing. The humidity, temps, dyno. There's just too many variables.

And it's not really important either way. You'll (or I can only speak for myself and say I would) enjoy your car just the same, independent of what it would or wouldn't make on EPL's dyno.

**RONDAL** · 03-31-2011 10:40 PM

i completely agree. its just a number.

**SleeperAvant** · 04-01-2011 09:36 AM

Very good Andrew! You are on the right track to making POWA.

**Audone** · 04-01-2011 09:45 AM

Seeing the picture of your car with my wheels only makes me want them back and summer to start earlier!
Numbers look great Andrew!

**RONDAL** · 04-01-2011 10:15 AM

Did you check the forecast? 15-20cm of snow saturday night.

Consider this a favor from you having to swap wheels twice

**flyingfish2626** · 04-01-2011 07:14 PM

Congrats on some great numbers.... 605's FTW!

**Hyphy** · 04-01-2011 07:41 PM

Nice progress!

**RONDAL** · 04-02-2011 11:57 AM

So the last week has been frustrating.

Started off with the maps we were using apparently being outdated, but Eurodyne not making the new ones public or known. So a few calls back east and we had new maps on Wednesday.
Things are going well, and the car is driveable. It's putting down 460awhp which is no slouch. But we can tell its got more in it, if only it would stop riching out above 4000rpm.
More calls to Eurodyne and Tapp on Friday, sent them some logs. Oh well they've also update injector constants, battery constants, and MAF scaling. Nice of them to let the public know....again.

This made things a LITTLE better, be we still cant figure out whats going on above 4000rpm. So you start looking at sensors.
o2's are new, MAF is good.
We then looked at the position of the MAF sensor. The distance between the filter and the MAF is like 4". There is no screen in the MAF housing like stock so maybe we are getting turbulent flow due to the extreme sucking going on.

So a solution was devised temporarily
Enter the reason to remove a headlight.

The longer intake tract allows the air to straighten out and become more laminar before hitting the sensor, hopefully leading to more precise MAF readings.

A test late last night at 730 looked promising, but everyone was ready to call it a night and go drinking. So we'll try more on Monday.

ONe of the issues were also facing is the car seems to want to stay in closed loop and doesn't want to go open loop. The place we are getting the issues is right around the cam switching point which is frustrating

**Raacerx** · 04-02-2011 05:48 PM

Hope everything gets figured out!

**SleeperAvant** · 04-04-2011 05:37 AM

Why don't you cut the intake piping down and use a MAF flow straightener like Chris did. That way you don't have to be all ghetto without a passenger headlight housing.

**RONDAL** · 04-04-2011 06:06 AM

Dont worry I wont be cutting the headlight out hahaha.

What is that stuff Chris used?

**SleeperAvant** · 04-04-2011 06:23 AM

Not sure where he got it from, might have to PM him.

Originally Posted by MmmBoost

My honeycomb material finally came in today to make a flow straightener for my MAF housing.

Pretty nice material. it's 1/8" cell honeycomb aluminum by 3/4" long. This should make really help to smooth out the MAF readings. My MAF correction table needed a lot of "massaging" after going to this housing. Not sure if it had to do with my scaling, or the lack of flow-straightener, but I guess i'll find out tomorrow on the way to work when I hook up the laptop to log.

**30vQuattro** · 04-04-2011 12:24 PM

Nice build man, big props!! Enjoy the POWWA!!

**ColinAndrews** · 04-05-2011 03:16 PM

Quick question Andrew. Is Calgary Auto Works using Maestro to tune the car? Meaning, did Maestro cost $900 and you are paying for tuning time on the dyno with them helping out, or are you doing all the tuning yourself and just happen to be using a dyno?

I'm weighing my options for getting my car re-tuned and CAW seems like an option.

**RONDAL** · 04-05-2011 03:33 PM

the car is at CAW. i'll let you know whether or not you'll want to use them when i get mine back and actually get to drive it.

Cars been there since 5am Monday last week. Dont know when im getting it back

**ColinAndrews** · 04-05-2011 03:35 PM

Holy shit, they have had the car for over a week? What is it costing you to get it tuned? What's their hourly rate?

**RONDAL** · 04-05-2011 04:11 PM

i'll let you know when i get car back

**jibberjive** · 04-05-2011 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by SleeperAvant

Why don't you cut the intake piping down and use a MAF flow straightener like Chris did.

Who's Chris (other than a sick photographer)? That's longer than most flow straighteners that I've seen; at 3/4" long anyone know i there's any issues with flow loss due to head loss? The AWE one was just a thin screen IIRC.

**SleeperAvant** · 04-06-2011 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by jibberjive

Who's Chris (other than a sick photographer)? That's longer than most flow straighteners that I've seen; at 3/4" long anyone know i there's any issues with flow loss due to head loss? The AWE one was just a thin screen IIRC.

He's in the B6 A4 section with a red USP Avant. Not sure, you'd have to ask him about the details.

**RONDAL** · 04-06-2011 10:37 PM

alright so the low down;

running an interim tune of a shockingly low 466awhp. Chris Tapp from Eurodyne purchased some injectors same as me and is building a base file for me. Apparently my injectors (Bosch EV14 72lb) are causing some weird issues in the top end. I know.....sooo slow.

So i'm rolling around on that right now. Did some pulls tonite. Car should pretty much be made illegal for surface streets. I cant believe the power.
I'll do some ECUx logs tomorrow if i can get the program working. from 3500-7k its game over for anything else pretty much. Did some pulls against a VRT and k04/rs6 hybrid and they went well. Still a big hole in the map though.

and then i need to install the meth too.....

**RONDAL** · 04-06-2011 10:53 PM

someone is going to need a scalpel to take the smile and shit eating grin off my face tonite

**jibberjive** · 04-06-2011 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by RONDAL

alright so the low down;

running an interim tune of a shockingly low 466awhp. Chris Tapp from Eurodyne purchased some injectors same as me and is building a base file for me. Apparently my injectors (Bosch EV14 72lb) are causing some weird issues in the top end. I know.....sooo slow.

So i'm rolling around on that right now. Did some pulls tonite. Car should pretty much be made illegal for surface streets. I cant believe the power.
I'll do some ECUx logs tomorrow if i can get the program working. from 3500-7k its game over for anything else pretty much. Did some pulls against a VRT and k04/rs6 hybrid and they went well. Still a big hole in the map though.

and then i need to install the meth too.....

Nice man, gotta feel good to finally be driving it! 466whp isn't shockingly low to me, and it's actually right around what I'd expect for an RS6/Tial S605 level build. For the every tweaked out AMD/EPL Tial 605 and 770 build on here, there's prob 4 that are ~475whp for 605's. For the tuning with the EV14's, I hear they lean out up top a little compared to say deka's. Did you get any of the pulls on film? How'd the pull against the hybrid car go?

**RONDAL** · 04-06-2011 11:23 PM

i was being sarcastic about the # being low.
ours riches out in the top end not lean.

went good. pulls much harder so i pull away slowly. his is like 430whp so its no slouch

**jibberjive** · 04-06-2011 11:56 PM

Nice man.

**cjk** · 04-07-2011 05:57 AM

Congrats on getting the car back man! Can't wait for that same experience :)

**shorterthanrich** · 04-07-2011 09:43 AM

Siiiiick

**RONDAL** · 04-07-2011 03:12 PM

i need brakes.

BAAAAAADLY

anything more than 2nd gear is also far too quick for surface streets. need to learn to behave myself. went through this stage with VRT, first few days was WOT everywhere, then i got used to it and behaved myself.

**zdriver** · 04-07-2011 03:16 PM

I want to NEED brakes haha

Any idea what you are going to go with for a brake setup??

**RONDAL** · 04-07-2011 03:30 PM

Had a little time to kill today. *Decided it was time to thank my buddy at Audi for all the help he's been with getting random parts, dropping them off on weekends and late after the dealership was closed and i just "had to have the part so i could finish this thing tonite".

i'm told our favorite Audi parts guy finally got up the courage to tell the world about his true inner feelings.

I thought instead of mocking him, we should celebrate this joyous occasion. *And what better way to celebrate than cake. *ICE CREAM CAKE!

So I brought him a cake to work today so that him and his coworkers could all celebrate together.

Got the receptionists to bring it to him. *

Step .1: *Materials. *it took going to 3 different DQ's before i found a person working behind the counter asian enough not to understand the joke and would actually write on the cake what i wanted.

Step 2: Putting the icing on the cake....literally

Step 3: The finished Product

Step 4: Celebrate

Bromance complete