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    Do Werk Garage Review, since Jake specifically mentioned to me "he doesn't care, post it on the forums, most of my customers are local" so here I am giving my two cents.

    So as many of you already know from this thread, my car was shipped to Rhode Island for a 6-speed swap along with a 2.0l engine transplant that I purchased from Doug. The official date the car was shipped was March 11th, and it was in Jake at Do Werk's possession since. Our initial contract was to accomplish this project in the duration of 6 weeks upon my cars arrival at Do Werk. Which quite honestly, is more than enough time to accomplished this task, granted we ran into a few road blocks. However, time although was an issue, it wasn't my main concern. It was the quality of work and service I got that I have gripe about. Here is a quick list of things we have done in the past one and half day since picking up the car.

    List of things we have fixed or need to be fixed after we picked up the vehicle from Dowerk
    - Clutch Pedal starter switch interrupt. The clutch pedal assembly I purchased did not contain this switch and my car did not contain the wiring for this assembly. I received my car with a toggle switch zip tied to the underside of my dashboard (and my lower dashboard cover was not installed). I was told that in order to start the car I had to turn the key to the 'on' position and then flip this toggle switch. [Solution] Doug figured out a solution I was comfortable with (jump two terminals across the clutch pedal starter switch interrupt circuit to bypass the clutch pedal switch) in ten minutes by looking at the wiring diagrams we provided to Jake MONTHS ago.



    -Head unit not powering on, and lost navigation functions, my GPS antenna wire was also cut (Jake replaced it, but with some cheap replacement that barely gets reception) [Solution] I rewired the unit, so I can use it to get home and temporarily stuck the antenna on the roof. I ordered a direct replacement of what I had so I can place the antenna in my dashboard out of sight like I originally had it.

    -Driver side brake light not igniting [Solution] Brake light fixed, Jake claimed my car had a driver side brake light issue, and it won't ignite under any circumstances, he even tested the voltages and said my taillight was dead, (actually the wiring harness was just not popped on tight enough in the tail light assembly…)

    -My headlights would turn on if i applied the brakes, and if i turn on my fog lights while applying the brakes it will turn off. [Solution] - Removing Jake's ghetto starter switch may have fixed this electrical gremlin, possibly from clearing all the codes as well. This issue is not present anymore after the tail light was fixed and the clutch pedal starter switch interrupt circuit was jumped out.

    -Exhaust manifold bolts loose or fell off due to reusing old fasteners or improper torque down. We aren't talking about a few, we are talking probably 8 of the 13 were loose or have fallen off [Solution] Buy new fasteners from the dealer, bend my own wrench, take turbo out and put new fasteners in.



    - Coolant leak from Turbo lines [Solution] Not solved yet, as we had no supplies for that.

    - Head gasket oil leak, Jake claims it is not his responsibility even though his machine shop did the head work and admitted perhaps he may have not torqued them down properly. Although the bottom end was built by Bob @ QED, he denies responsibility thinking it isn't his issue; quickly blaming Bob@QED for improper machinework of the block. [Solution] Not solved yet, as we have no supplies for that either.

    - Transmission fluid LOW, The transmission made plenty of gear rattles from the bearings, we found out that it was not filled properly [Solution] Doug and I filled one FULL quart of gear oil into my transmission before I left Connecticut for my drive home. Meaning we've been driving over 300 miles with my transmission with very little oil. Yet another negligence on Jakes part.

    - Heat shield that covers the passenger side front axle from heat so the boot doesn't get exposed to the massive amount of heat from the open down pipe that Jake just decided to saw saw off. Keep in mind this front axle is brand new as it was the solution to a previous noise in the transmission prior to me picking up the car. [Solution] Not fixed yet, because he kept my bolts.



    - Open downpipe exhaust. My car had a full exhaust when delivered to Do Werk. I was told the downpipe I had did not fit and clear the manual transmission rear crossmember. Jake's solution was to cut the downpipe out and leave the car with just a testpipe and 2ft of open downpipe. A recommendation of fabing up a new downpipe for the manual crossmember was not provided. Not sure if it was because I said I am going to get a new exhaust made once I get home or if he just didn't want to do the job. [Solution] Doug was worried for my hearing on the 13hour trip home with no exhaust. He was also concerned about my new engine's longevity given the other assorted issues we could not fix. As a result, he removed the open downpipe and installed Greg's (actlsub9) old MTM exhaust on my car since Greg's car was at his house and is currently being parted out due to an accident that totalled the car out.

    - Numerous tabs from different electrical harness broken, ECU clip that holds ECu down, coilpack harness (although he did tell me he repined one of them with my original harness, however i checked my original harness to find all of them intact..) [Solution] Replaced the ECU clip etc etc.

    -Center console cigarette lighter disconnected because he forgot to plug it back in when he was installing shifter [Solution] Haven't had the time to deal with it yet.

    -Recode ECU to manual settings so it stops looking for the TCU (transmission control unit for the automatic trans), but Jake doesn't even have a genuine copy of vag com, or any wiring diagrams that can help you diagnose anything. [Solution] Doug and I tried recoding the ECu with my genuine copy of VAG-Com but did not have a workshop log-in to recode it. Doug made a few phone calls but could not get the log-in until I was halfway home.

    -IAT sensor DTC, don't know what went wrong, the car was fully operational with no fault codes from the engine when I gave it to him. We will see if this code is still present once the ECu is reprogrammed for a manual transmission.

    -Thermostat DTC, the engine has a temperature issue currently that triggered this code, something else I have to look at.


    So as you can see, I was a little frustrated after waiting 17 weeks with all the parts given to him, the least I can expect is a SAFE car for me to travel in back to Michigan. Clearly not the case here. Perhaps I am over anal, and some of the things on that list are smaller, however when I pay a shop a large sum of money to do something (imo a large sum for this project), I expect them to do everything, and do it correctly. Not pull it out, and leave it out and provide me with a car that is in worse shape than when I provided it to them.

    Service Issues
    So besides the quality of the work done as shown above, here are is my service gripes. Initial contact with Jake wasn't hard, but it wasn't easy. Granted he doesn't have a receptionist, or a operator to answer their phone calls, chances are you get his voicemail, and he calls you back. But the overall communication between a customer with him is absolutely horrid. On more then one occasion you would not here from him for days even if you need to get in contact with him immediately about certain parts, or expect updates. You would think when one has $20,000 of your possession, they would be a little more responsible, but what do you expect from a young guy with absolutely zero business sense? Wait, he did call me a few times, only to ask for funds for the labor in advance. I have NEVER heard of any shop requesting me to pay for labor before the vehicle is done.

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    Moving on, as we progressed through the project, we ran into multiple road blocks. Some new parts that we found out were different between a manual and automatic cars besides the drive train that I purchased.

    - Like the radiator (the radiator is physically the same size no matter which transmission is in the car but the automatic trans cooler is built into the side panel of the radiator for cars with an auto trans. Typically, in a conversion like mine, the trans cooler is just plugged but it was demanded that I get a manual transmission radiator); which I immediately purchased for him new to minimize downtime.

    - A engine wiring harness, because he said it would be "time consuming" to rewire the three plugs that go into transmission (car speed and reverse light); which I sourced for him. Again, to minimize downtime.

    - And finally, the bell housing spacing problem that we ran into with the 01E transmission and 1.8T engine. Which may I add, he never gave me a solution to the problem. The only reason why we could have made this work was because Tyler (Nein-Reis) had his build coincide with mine. Tyler's mechanic figured out a solution to the dilemma we had. Never did Jake once tell me to order any parts to make the transmission work. Or heck never did he even order or help me source ANY of the parts for my vehicle when it was in his possession. He simply claimed he was "too busy" to go look for them.

    Besides the work being done, I asked Jake if it was possible to tighten my waste-gate actuator rod so I can hold a little more boost. That way I can take advantage of the built motor I had put in with my current setup. However Jake simply refused to work on my turbo, because it was internally wastegated. I'm asking myself what kind of mechanic refuses to do work, when a customers asks him to. It isn't because Jake was not competent enough…although I do wonder at the moment if he really is. But to me that was outrageous, considering how his shop brags that they can do anything.

    Now that we have the whole clutch issue resolved after I spent another $1300 on a new clutch setup, he proceeds to tell me that there seems to be an issue with my transmission. And that the 01E has 1st and 2nd gear collar issues. Obviously I don't blame him for that, however I will blame him for the delay in installation as my warranty for the transmission itself has expired. He was telling me the center differential is broken. It turns out the front passenger axle CV joint failed. If I don't blame the time schedule then perhaps I can blame him for not FILLING my transmission gear oil when I was leaving for my trip home to MI (after I repeatedly asked if the trans gear oil was drained and filled with new oil and was told that happened). Now I'm out a transmission, and Jake expects me to pay him in FULL for the work that he didn't even do completely, correctly, or in a timely manner. When I picked up my car I could not even start my car with a key, i have a ghetto switch because Jake doesn't have the proper wiring diagram to figure out which relay to close the loop for my clutch switch. My dashboard is lit up like a christmas tree. My lower dashboard was not installed. I had no exhaust. What kind of shop am I getting myself into?

    Disrepect
    What is even funnier? He raced my car against a forum member, to do some 3rd gear pulls (His response was, "what difference does it make? I needed to break in your motor)"…There is a drastic difference between breaking in a motor, and being a little street racer with your Vdub friends. Means that you are putting my car in jeopardy of the POLICE when you get caught for street racing, with a potential impound. I see this action as a lack of respect, as one shop should never take their customers cars for personal use.

    Lack of Tools
    Finally another problem that has come to my attention is Do Werk doesn't have genuine vag com cable that can recode my ECU from a tiptronic to manual car. I don't know how one owns a shop that works on Audi's and VW's specifically, but does not have any diagnostic tools. On top of that, I don't think he has the ability to read any wiring diagrams, as we spoon fed him the information on how to jump the relay for the clutch switch, yet he just settled on his two prong light switch in my car…

    Threats
    I'm usually not one to be so critical, however this situation has escalated beyond my comprehension. On the evening we picked up my car (when we were not aware of all the problems), I told him I didn't just bring a large chunk of money on my trip and ask if he takes credit card. Apparently the infamous Dowerk garage doesn't even have a CC machine, so I told him I would paypal him either tonight or the day after, as I had a long day on the flight, waiting for him to get to the shop, and soon to discover all the problems with my car. Jake had the audacity to send me this text message the night of.



    Doug's dog woke him up at 6am and he saw an unusual vehicle in his driveway that he did not recognize. It scared the shit out of him seeing as he has a lot of money in cars in his driveway (3 modded B6s and a few other vehicles). Turns out it was Jake and his friend sitting in Jake's mother's car waiting for us to wake up so he can watch me pay him. Doug did not have a text message or voicemail from Jake explaining that he was outside his house so Doug almost called the police before he realized who it was. Jake said he was not going to ring the doorbell but sit in the driveway until we came outside to work on my car. Can you say creepy or even better… paranoid?

    I had no intentions of not paying the bill, and both Doug and Tu can attest to that. With that said, you can see his professionalism in the industry.

    Conclusion
    Three words "Do Werk WRONG"

    So thats my experience with Dowerk, But, with all that said, there is a silver lining to the situation. We have a GREAT community here, and we shouldn't have people like this ruin it. I met two of the most helpful people I know on this trip, and they made my trip enjoyable. First and foremost I have to thank Doug, he is the man that made it possible for me to get home. And for that matter, make this project work. He even graciously opened his house for me to stay, a car for me to borrow to get parts to fix my car, and physically helped me work on my car (before and after he got off work), and diagnose the issues to make sure I have a safe trip home. Dougs attention to detail in two days far exceeds the work that Jake @ Dowerk has shown me in 18 weeks.

    The other person is Tu. He offered to pick me up at the Airport without me even asking, it was a great opportunity for two asian legends to meet. Haha. But not only did he pick me up, took me to dim sum, and drop me off at the shop, he chilled with me at the shop waiting for Jake, and helped me move all my left over parts to my car, stuck around to make sure a fellow ziner didn't need help, and ofcourse voiced his opinion on the situation to shed some light from a 3rd party perspective.

    Much love AZ, thanks for all the support from everyone on here.

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    Wow. Most mechanics I know (except AMS Autowerks maybe) will look into or fix your car of other problems that "they're not responsible for". If you send your car to a shop, almost halfway across the country, you expect them to make your car perfect. The fact that DoWerk left ANY problems remaining with your car when they knew you'd have drive home disgusts me.

    Obviously DoWerk was unable to complete the work in a timely manor, and the right way. I'm sure you don't want to say how much you paid, but I'd be curious to know if DoWerk was willing to work with you to make it right- however that may be.
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    How old is Jake? The part about him basically stalking the house in his mother's car was entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusticles View Post
    How old is Jake? The part about him basically stalking the house in his mother's car was entertaining.
    20, maybe?
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    I am so angered by this thread I don't even know why.

    This is the exact opposite of what we were all expecting from Do Werk.

    I would not have paid that man a gosh darned DIME.

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    That's some appalling work. Asking for payment before work is done is outrageous. Making drastic changes to the plan without consent on which direction to take is completely against good practice. And not having a vag com cable? My neighbor down the street who owned a VW six years ago for two months has a vag-com setup. That's not to mention the other ridonkulous crap they did..

    Best part...

    Quote Originally Posted by vinny.dtw View Post
    Turns out it was Jake and his friend sitting in Jake's mother's car waiting for us to wake up so he can watch me pay him. Doug did not have a text message or voicemail from Jake explaining that he was outside his house so Doug almost called the police before he realized who it was. Jake said he was not going to ring the doorbell but sit in the driveway until we came outside to work on my car. Can you say creepy or even better… paranoid?
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    There are 3 sides to every story, but with what you posted, I would not have paid the full cost. This write up makes DW Garage look pretty shitty. Have you guys talked yet and come to an agreement of some sort of refund ? Also would it be too much to ask what you were charged ?

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    Wow Vinny, sorry to hear about this. You should seek legal counsel. Pay in full and take it up in court at a later date...that's your best bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg@podi.ca View Post
    Wow Vinny, sorry to hear about this. You should seek legal counsel. Pay in full and take it up in court at a later date...that's your best bet.

    great advice.
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    Glad you made it home brotha! This was a very unfortunate experience for you and I know how it can be when your dumping money into something you are passionate about. Almost ruins the whole experience.

    Props to Doug and Tu for helping you out...always great to see fellow ziners making it happen for someone else.

    Shit will be up and running in no time man, just take your time (shit, more time?) and get it all done.
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    how can someone hurt someone with a face like this? Just so innocent and pure... like an injured wounded fawn needing nurture

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    Yikes... All I can say. I inquired about some fabrication work from Do Werk - somewhat thankfull he wasnt able to do it.

    What does this bring to the table for Audizine? Evidently we need Jakes story, but man... Excellent read.

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    All I know is if he showed up on my driveway(I'm OCD and watch my driveway like a hawk) in his words: "It would not be in his best interest"
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    sounds like you need to find a good attorney and get some of your funds back. even if only half of what you are saying is true (im sure it is all true), do werk is in for a serious wake up call regarding professional responsibility, liability, and law if you take this to the mat. being that $20k+ is involved, it sounds like it is well worth it.

    This really sucks to hear. Im feeling your pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg@podi.ca View Post
    Wow Vinny, sorry to hear about this. You should seek legal counsel. Pay in full and take it up in court at a later date...that's your best bet.
    Pay via paypal only or CC only. Absolutely no cash or checks. Paypal can offer you some protection. Be sure to pay Paypal with a credit card for the same reasons. AMEX is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Skate Snow View Post
    how can someone hurt someone with a face like this? Just so innocent and pure... like an injured wounded fawn needing nurture

    Ninjas are like that.

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    Damn man....Vinny you have my sympathies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    There are 3 sides to every story, but with what you posted, I would not have paid the full cost. This write up makes DW Garage look pretty shitty. Have you guys talked yet and come to an agreement of some sort of refund ? Also would it be too much to ask what you were charged ?
    Very true.

    A final payment figure was discussed and agreed upon; Prior to more findings of what was wrong with the car (more findings being: exhaust manifold nuts, leaking head gasket, whining transmission gearbox). I do not know anything beyond that nor do I need to know. That is none of my business.

    My role was only acting as a consultant to Vince to ensure a smooth conversion (ie: understanding all the technical details with the transmission swap) and lately, help him evaluate the situation at hand and find a way to get both him and his car safely home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinny.dtw View Post
    sitting in Jake's mother's car waiting for us to wake up so he can watch me pay him
    there's a simple explanation for this. based on the work he does, his car obviously wan't running, so he HAD to borrow mom's car.
    I like wagons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougyfresh View Post
    Very true.

    A final payment figure was discussed and agreed upon; Prior to more findings of what was wrong with the car (more findings being: exhaust manifold nuts, leaking head gasket, whining transmission gearbox). I do not know anything beyond that nor do I need to know. That is none of my business.

    My role was only acting as a consultant to Vince to ensure a smooth conversion (ie: understanding all the technical details with the transmission swap) and lately, help him evaluate the situation at hand and find a way to get both him and his car safely home.
    Well it looks like the only way for Jake to save face and his garage, here on the forums; would be to come to a new cost for the job that was/was not done. One shitty job can ruin a business, especially job that was this poorly completed. Some of the things that Vinny listed are most basic of basic things that one should check.
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    I hope Jake sees this post and come somehow explain

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    Wow.. That's pretty shitty... I've seen a lot of people recommend them too... Probably just friends.

    Why if you were in Michigan didn't you just go to VAST? Did you try them at least? Totally sucks man, I'd be insanely mad and would totally look into legal actions. Especially with threats, those are great. Once you're >18, you have you remember dumb shit will hurt you pretty bad..

    You should post a link to this on QuattroWorld, I've seen the name mentioned there before too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinny.dtw View Post

    We have a GREAT community here, and we shouldn't have people like this ruin it. I met two of the most helpful people I know on this trip, and they made my trip enjoyable. First and foremost I have to thank Doug, he is the man that made it possible for me to get home. And for that matter, make this project work. He even graciously opened his house for me to stay, a car for me to borrow to get parts to fix my car, and physically helped me work on my car (before and after he got off work), and diagnose the issues to make sure I have a safe trip home. Dougs attention to detail in two days far exceeds the work that Jake @ Dowerk has shown me in 18 weeks.

    The other person is Tu. He offered to pick me up at the Airport without me even asking, it was a great opportunity for two asian legends to meet. Haha. But not only did he pick me up, took me to dim sum, and drop me off at the shop, he chilled with me at the shop waiting for Jake, and helped me move all my left over parts to my car, stuck around to make sure a fellow ziner didn't need help, and of course voiced his opinion on the situation to shed some light from a 3rd party perspective.

    Much love AZ, thanks for all the support from everyone on here.
    Vince, you were very lucky for having Doug and Tu. Truly an asset to the Audi community. Asians generally have a "take care of" mentality in our culture, a fostering family perspective that is usually passed down from generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiSportB5S4 View Post

    Why if you were in Michigan didn't you just go to VAST? Did you try them at least? Totally sucks man, I'd be insanely mad and would totally look into legal actions. Especially with threats, those are great. Once you're >18, you have you remember dumb shit will hurt you pretty bad..
    Probably b/c Vince purchased the motor from Doug in CT. I give major credit to Doug for burning a full weekend plus to help Vince out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudiSportB5S4 View Post
    Wow.. That's pretty shitty... I've seen a lot of people recommend them too... Probably just friends.
    it happens a lot. someone gets a "following" by installing coilovers, wheels, and other minor mods for people...they act cool, hell, even let people hang out at the shop.

    all these kids rave about the shop, and recommend it out the wazoo, but then when presented with an actual project, they get in over their head, and f-it up royally.

    unfortunately, they hack it together enough so that when it's time to pay the owner of the car can't tell...it's down the road that all the half a$$ed stuff rears its head, and by then it's too late.

    I've been there with 2 different shops now, and honestly I've found that the only way to do it right is to do it yourself.
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    Holy shit man, just be happy you got your car back in one piece (or at least got all the pieces)! Good luck getting everything buttoned up, if I can help at all please let me know!!

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    that was a very interesting and revealing read....


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleeperAvant View Post
    Vince, you were very lucky for having Doug and Tu. Truly an asset to the Audi community. Asians generally have a "take care of" mentality in our culture, a fostering family perspective that is usually passed down from generations.
    Actually...I thought I was going to get some from Vinny. He was in a bad mood, so it didn't turn out that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post
    Actually...I thought I was going to get some from Vinny. He was in a bad mood, so it didn't turn out that way.
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ill 3.0 View Post
    Probably b/c Vince purchased the motor from Doug in CT. I give major credit to Doug for burning a full weekend plus to help Vince out.
    When Vince and I were negotiating who to do the work I told him I would front the cost to ship the motor anywhere in the country he wanted. My motor being in CT/RI was not a factor that played into why his car went there.
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    Unbelievable. Document EVERYTHING. Photograph EVERYTHING. Record any/all voicemails. Save all emails/IMs/etc.

    Hopefully you have a signed document stating what was to be done at the beginning? This will be the most important document to determine if the conditions were met or what was missed or left incomplete. Nobody should have to go through (and continue to go through) the pains you did Vinny. Props to Doug and Tu to help an AZ Brotha in need!

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    wow what a terrible experience
    thumps up to doug and tu though
    hopefully jake will take his head out of his ass and offer you a refund for his bad work before you sue him and/or he has no future work because everyone on here can see his quality of work
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    Quote Originally Posted by familytruckster View Post
    honestly I've found that the only way to do it right is to do it yourself.
    Despite how much money I have spent to learn this lesson I also learned enough to accomplish said tasks myself. Reasoning for me in the the past to lean on various people to accomplish tasks for me is because I do not have the time. Now I make the time and let schedules slip until I have that time. That is why my car sat in my garage from January through April [un-touched] this year. I simply did not have the time to fix things and get it to where I wanted/needed it to be.

    However, not everyone has this luxury and must rely on other people. When that happens you do your best homework and make an educated decision based upon your homework.
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    wow Vin, you're like an asian Harry Potter


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    wow. im very sorry to see/hear this. i had my car in the hands of someone else for 1 week, and i know the anxiety i felt while it was gone, and how excited i was to get it back knowing everything would be done.

    i cant imagine 17 weeks only to find it in shambles when you finally did get it back... what a let down. this thread hurts even to read, and i was not even involved.

    i love the IM threats, thats classic... high school all over again.

    i really hope things work out for you man.

    POST #34 x10!

    P.S.- Mad respect to Doug & Tu.
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    The biggest failure of the shop in my eyes came along when the owner would not negotiate with Vinny or own up to his shop's shortcomings on this job.

    Everybody makes mistakes and automotive work can lead to broken shit and unforeseen problems all the time. The amount of fail in this case is huge however and I see no way out with dignity for the shop owner. If only he had thought for a half-second about his integrity and did the right thing, but he didn't. There was even a chance for this person to sleep on it. According to 3 witnesses, things quickly became adversarial and forcing Vinny to seek help from other sources and walk away with a car barely safe to drive 2 miles let alone across the country.

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    Cliff's for those who need them:
    Shipped car to RI - DoWerk Garage 11 March 2010
    Vinny bought 2.0L Engine from Doug (not affiliated with DoWerk)

    FAILURE LEVEL KEY:
    *Damage to vehicle due to incompentence/shoddy work
    **Potential for extensive damage to drivetrain/electronics
    ***Major safety issues
    +Possible/Likely Swap issues.


    +Rigged clutch starter interlock.
    Left dash apart.
    *Head unit out. Needed rewiring
    *GPS Antenna wire cut.
    ***Rear brake light not working. Connector loose.
    ***Headlights came on with brake application. Short circuit or miswire.
    ***Exhaust manifold bolts not tightened properly due to old bolts used.
    **Coolant leak at Turbo.
    **Oil leak from Head/Block Interface.
    ***Transmission underfilled. 1 Quart Low. < Voided warranty = $$$
    *Heat sheild left off. Missing bolts.
    ***Exhaust left open at downpipe. No solution offered.
    **Electrical system damaged in several places. Harness connectors broken.
    Cigarette lighter disconnected.
    +ECU was left uncoded - no match to new man trans.
    +IAT, Thermostat trouble codes

    Poor communication - only communicated when money was needed.
    Radiator - Existing Auto Trans would have worked - man trans replacement demanded.
    Raced vehicle on the street with low trans fluid and open exhaust.
    No licensed copy of VAG COM.

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