1.8l + PTE5857 = 425awhp?

[winston@podi.ca]

The only thing I wanted to try out was to see the effect of lowering the compression ratio but run the AMB head.

I'm running 9:1 and would have liked to know how an 8:1 setup would react to more boost and then run the same 8:1 with the AEB head.

[dougyfresh]

The only thing I wanted to try out was to see the effect of lowering the compression ratio but run the AMB head.

I'm running 9:1 and would have liked to know how an 8:1 setup would react to more boost and then run the same 8:1 with the AEB head.

You should try going in the opposite direction with CR. Say... 10:1 or 10.5:1.

Not down. offboost driving sucks with anything lower than 9:1 on our motors.

[Ray@R.A.I]

from what we have gathered i dont think lowering compression is a good idea for street cars, specifically cars with the non return fuel system. there is a 26-30 psi ( somewhere in there its not consistent) threshold where not much power is being made with the increased pressure. Even with our fuel pump kit we can get rail pressure to 66 psi and hold to redline (thoroughly tested by opening injectors to 20+ms@ 8500 rpm) , but the diminishing returns still exist. this leads me to go the opposite way in increasing engine efficiency (i.e higher compression = stock or greater) with water meth and higher volume turbos. call the magic number 26 psi, i think the mission should be get as much air volume in as possible at that pressure. Dropping compression is gonna hurt spool time, low compression is for big pressure, 35+ psi for 8:1 in my opinion. with that wall it will also hurt overall power.

[winston@podi.ca]

You should try going in the opposite direction with CR. Say... 10:1 or 10.5:1.

Not down. offboost driving sucks with anything lower than 9:1 on our motors.

My bad... I forgot to say I wanted to see how it would effect power when I was on the track.

[winston@podi.ca]

from what we have gathered i dont think lowering compression is a good idea for street cars, specifically cars with the non return fuel system. there is a 26-30 psi ( somewhere in there its not consistent) threshold where not much power is being made with the increased pressure. Even with our fuel pump kit we can get rail pressure to 66 psi and hold to redline (thoroughly tested by opening injectors to 20+ms@ 8500 rpm) , but the diminishing returns still exist. this leads me to go the opposite way in increasing engine efficiency (i.e higher compression = stock or greater) with water meth and higher volume turbos. call the magic number 26 psi, i think the mission should be get as much air volume in as possible at that pressure. Dropping compression is gonna hurt spool time, low compression is for big pressure, 35+ psi for 8:1 in my opinion. with that wall it will also hurt overall power.

The boys at the shop and I had this discussion but wanted to see real world results, but unfortunately it isn't easy, or cheap, to keep swapping parts in the block to change the CR to do testing with different turbos we had access to, dyno all the configurations and overlay the results to see how the curves change.

So my contribution was the AMB/AEB head swap to the knowledge base

[Ray@R.A.I]

The boys at the shop and I had this discussion but wanted to see real world results, but unfortunately it isn't easy, or cheap, to keep swapping parts in the block to change the CR to do testing with different turbos we had access to.

So my contribution was the AMB/AEB head swap to the knowledge base

well without jacking too much more of dans thread we are working on the same thing right now. We have a car in which the owner had the comp ratio lowered previously to 8.0:1 and a 3071r turbo. Spool was later than our 3076 stock compression car and it made terrible power to say the least. Same car we are moving to higher compression ~10:1 and we had a 1.8t specific turbo built for it . I will keep you the loop as it progresses.

[vintagespin]

we had a 1.8t specific turbo built for it

mooooooooore info

[MMMB00ST_A4]

I think you are confusing me for Daniel for saying why he only ran a best of 12.59 instead of an 11 even while running race gas mixed to help counter act temps of the track I don't really need "excuses."

Only "excuse" if you want to call it one I "used" was my clutch slipped and my transmission doesn't shift for shit. But I showed multiple in car videos of it happening so I think that is pretty valid, but I never said I was going to do better than I did with the condition the car was in, so it was more of showing the conditions I ran in and not an "excuse" of why I didn't do better because in fact I said I had no plans of running an 11 before I went to the track. And since day one people have always second guessed me in regards to my car and time and time again, I proved every last one of them wrong because I know what it and myself were capable of. People didn't think I could run 12s with a gtrs, well I did and I did it on 19s and made the second fastest time ever in the U.S. (.12 slower) behind Mike Hood who everyone pretty much considers a pro driver and the car was running better fuel than I used also and had lightweight smaller wheels on it. They then said I couldn't run low 12s when I said I was going to while building my car, "why don't you not claim stuff since you haven't done it" and to make it more shocking there were some that didn't even think I would do better than my best gtrs time which was plain rediculous. I said I would do it on race gas no doubt, well I went and did it several times not even using race gas and several times also with a screwed up clutch and tranny to boot! Some said nobody would hit 400whp without race gas which included me how I run my car, well I did and on a dyno dynamics which everyone knows is not a high reading dyno, but quite the opposite. I don't need excuses because I know what my car does and doesn't do and I don't get caught up with hopes and dreams of stuff that isn't so realistic.

And while I am at it, I will make another "claim" for people to doubt. When I get my current car issues sorted out I WILL run 11.8, so people can doubt that one too for a while Then once again they can eat their words WHEN (not if) it happens and it will be on 19s like always and full interior, no stripping seats and installing small lightweight wheels like others.

You must have some kind of small man complex. Who is doubting your car's ability to break 11s? Where the hell did you hear anyone say that? You get all worked up if anyone questions your logic, then automatically chalk them up as a "doubter/hater" whatever you want to call it. Good God, you have a big ego...

[HTA A4]

You must have some kind of small man complex. Who is doubting your car's ability to break 11s? Where the hell did you hear anyone say that? You get all worked up if anyone questions your logic, then automatically chalk them up as a "doubter/hater" whatever you want to call it. Good God, you have a big ego...

Lolz...

To further the "thread jack-edness" Brandon, I haven't forgot about that PM you sent me a while ago about some vids. I'll hit you up as soon as I can with them.

[SleeperAvant]

mooooooooore info

Diddo. Ray, perhaps make a thread on this build.

[Dan[FN]6262]

lol its cool, there is nothing exciting to report anyways. This is good info tho

[dougyfresh]

lol its cool, there is nothing exciting to report anyways. This is good info tho

What are you doing with that tiny butcher knife?

[Ray@R.A.I]

he cutting tiny steaks duhhhh

[Ray@R.A.I]

sorry guys not my build to make a thread on, i will share turbo details later.

[Dan[FN]6262]

What are you doing with that tiny butcher knife?

I came home one night, slightly drunk, and was looking for a knife to spead some JIF on a potato roll and found that cute little bugger in the flatware drawer. I have absolutely no idea where it came from.

[Dan[FN]6262]

sorry guys not my build to make a thread on, i will share turbo details later.

Ill be emailing you that list after 5

[A4 TSCHUSS]

You must have some kind of small man complex. Who is doubting your car's ability to break 11s? Where the hell did you hear anyone say that? You get all worked up if anyone questions your logic, then automatically chalk them up as a "doubter/hater" whatever you want to call it. Good God, you have a big ego...

All I have to say to this is READ. Read posts and you will find all the doubt there has been from a select few along the way since the day my car was coming apart for the build and I started saying what I was going to do basing off what my car had done previously and the power difference it would now have. There was plenty of doubt spoken many times on every single thing I mentioned. A little example for you is I ran a 12.55@111 using a Gtech type device about 1.5 years ago with my revo software running 24psi, people doubted that and said I needed a time slip from a track because that wasn't accurate, I finally got to the track but now on Uni and running 28psi and sure enough I ran 12.3@115 and trapped 116 that night as well and that time was with a poor 1.9 60ft. But those select few were damn sure to cast all kinds of doubt which in my mind was absolutely rediculous considering I was spanking or keeping up with other fast cars local to me. One member kept saying 400whp wasnt gonna happen without a tank of race gas especially after Daniel only did the 361whp run on 93 and at 29psi of boost. I said well my car is totally different than his, but they still doubted it over and over, then the day finally came and it happened and not even on a happy dyno that someone could dispute but one one of the lowest reading dyno brands out there. If you were in my shoes maybe you would understand more. People talk mad shit on the internet half of them which have proven nothing along the way, myself on the other hand have done shit and not once said something that didn't happen, but there are still those select few which have still proven nothing that run their mouth and it gets a little old.

You can say all you want about me bad mouthing in whatever way you feel fit, if it makes you feel good fine, but at the end of the day I know what I know and what I have done and the type of person I am and ask anyone who has actually met me in person and I guarantee you not one single person will have anything bad to say.

[MMMB00ST_A4]

All I have to say to this is READ. Read posts and you will find all the doubt there has been from a select few along the way since the day my car was coming apart for the build and I started saying what I was going to do basing off what my car had done previously and the power difference it would now have. There was plenty of doubt spoken many times on every single thing I mentioned. A little example for you is I ran a 12.55@111 using a Gtech type device about 1.5 years ago with my revo software running 24psi, people doubted that and said I needed a time slip from a track because that wasn't accurate, I finally got to the track but now on Uni and running 28psi and sure enough I ran 12.3@115 and trapped 116 that night as well and that time was with a poor 1.9 60ft. But those select few were damn sure to cast all kinds of doubt which in my mind was absolutely rediculous considering I was spanking or keeping up with other fast cars local to me. One member kept saying 400whp wasnt gonna happen without a tank of race gas especially after Daniel only did the 361whp run on 93 and at 29psi of boost. I said well my car is totally different than his, but they still doubted it over and over, then the day finally came and it happened and not even on a happy dyno that someone could dispute but one one of the lowest reading dyno brands out there. If you were in my shoes maybe you would understand more. People talk mad shit on the internet half of them which have proven nothing along the way, myself on the other hand have done shit and not once said something that didn't happen, but there are still those select few which have still proven nothing that run their mouth and it gets a little old.

You can say all you want about me bad mouthing in whatever way you feel fit, if it makes you feel good fine, but at the end of the day I know what I know and what I have done and the type of person I am and ask anyone who has actually met me in person and I guarantee you not one single person will have anything bad to say.

I could really care less what anyone you know thinks about you, you could possibly have the BIGGEST ego of anyone I have ever met. It's just ridiculous sometimes. I understand where you are coming from when you say some people doubtED your car's ability. But no one in this thread even remotely mentioned your car and you then proceeded to go on a 4 paragraph tangent about people doubting you and your car? Really? And before that when everyone was encouraging Dan, who btw was genuinely excited about his build, you come in and say shit like "I am confused why people are excited over his build, i've already done this" then put a stupid smiley face to make the comment less abrasive. The comment didn't need to be here. I am one of the first people to post in your threads to congratulate your progress, yet it seems you are the first to jump in someone else's to put them down, or make sure everyone knows you "Already did that".

Dan i'm sorry for the thread jackage, you'll hear no more OT talk from me. The other party, i can't say the same for...

[MMMB00ST_A4]

Lolz...

To further the "thread jack-edness" Brandon, I haven't forgot about that PM you sent me a while ago about some vids. I'll hit you up as soon as I can with them.

Lol, PM me. I don't remember what it was that I asked you for haha!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

no one in this thread even remotely mentioned your car and you then proceeded to go on a 4 paragraph tangent about people doubting you and your car?

Well I am completely sorry then, but I thought you did just that with this comment of yours saying I make excuses I mean, didn't you just talk about my car falling short and me making excuses?

So in conclusion, the corrected number equation exists solely for people like you that say "Who cares what temps were when you dynoed, you didn't make the power" (even though you use the same reasoning when you fall short at the track) "Temperatures at the track were XX* so the car was doing this or that" .

The "tangent" was after you started saying whatever you said about corrected numbers and making that comment I posted above. Maybe I read it wrong, but what I saw was you trash talking me (which is something I have never even said that I can recall) so of course I am going to say something about it.

[Dan[FN]6262]

Dan i'm sorry for the thread jackage, you'll hear no more OT talk from me. The other party, i can't say the same for...

lol its cool. Don't worry, I've been on here long enough to know how David is and it just wouldn't be same if he was different

[a408]

jesus im learning wayyy too much info from this thread.

keep it up guys=]

[MMMB00ST_A4]

Well I am completely sorry then, but I thought you did just that with this comment of yours saying I make excuses I mean, didn't you just talk about my car falling short and me making excuses?



The "tangent" was after you started saying whatever you said about corrected numbers and making that comment I posted above. Maybe I read it wrong, but what I saw was you trash talking me (which is something I have never even said that I can recall) so of course I am going to say something about it.

You have used that excuse, it was a thread a while back and you were arguing about humidity and track temps, then someone posted weather reports about the track temps and you got defensive and blamed things on humidity in FLA. I couldn't find the thread too much shit to sift through..And I was simply stating that you yourself used the same reasoning when your car didn't run as well as you hoped it would at the track. I wasn;t taking a shot at you, i was pointing it out. You then took that and went on your rant..

And if you do some reading of your own you'll see you had already started talking about yourself and your car before I posted that comment. My comment just opened the door so you could tell your story all over again..

Either way there is no denying your car is fast, i just feel that your "I know i'm better than you" attitude ruins shit for others that ultimately could use your useful information to further their own builds.

[Dan[FN]6262]

jesus im learning wayyy too much info from this thread.

keep it up guys=]

Like? lol

[MMMB00ST_A4]

lol its cool. Don't worry, I've been on here long enough to know how David is and it just wouldn't be same if he was different

I retract my statement haha! Now i'm done..

[a408]

Like? lol

Other than the major ego war, just fueling and shizzz. i never knew all this stuff and i eventually want to break the 400whp barrier. so this is all great helpful info.

[vintagespin]

Lol Brandon, multiple people have tried to do what you're trying... Dan, Clint, Doug, Jordan, etc... There is no win haha. David's helpful info to others & talking about his own car are inextricably linked. Mike Hood is the same way.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

You have used that excuse, it was a thread a while back and you were arguing about humidity and track temps, then someone posted weather reports about the track temps and you got defensive and blamed things on humidity in FLA. I couldn't find the thread too much shit to sift through..And I was simply stating that you yourself used the same reasoning when your car didn't run as well as you hoped it would at the track. I wasn;t taking a shot at you, i was pointing it out. You then took that and went on your rant..

And if you do some reading of your own you'll see you had already started talking about yourself and your car before I posted that comment. My comment just opened the door so you could tell your story all over again..

Either way there is no denying your car is fast, i just feel that your "I know i'm better than you" attitude ruins shit for others that ultimately could use your useful information to further their own builds.

I really have no idea what you are talking about, I can only remember running one time in real hot weather and real high humidity, it was when I had the gtrs turbo a few years ago and I was only running 20psi because I couldn't figure out why the car wouldn't boost higher than that, I even swapped the boost controller and bov from another b6 trying to find the problem. I was on 93 and meth injection and it was in Bradenton, Fl at a track I went to while visiting an old AZ member from here Entertainment72. I ran like 13.1@103mph but I don't know why I would have been trying to say I could have went faster if the weather was better because my car would only boost 20 or 21psi and I know I had a best time ever of 12.75@108mph with race gas and 25psi so I wasn't that far off even with those circumstances. I guess there could be another time I ran in real hot weather but I don't remember, I have been to the track an ass load of times mostly in Gainesville, but also twice at that Bradenton track which sucks I might add, they run things so damn slow there.

[MMMB00ST_A4]

Lol Brandon, multiple people have tried to do what you're trying... Dan, Clint, Doug, Jordan, etc... There is no win haha. David's helpful info to others & talking about his own car are inextricably linked. Mike Hood is the same way.

LoL! Clearly...Doesn't matter anyway, I just got out of work and am not bored anymore haha! So, now that I'm no longer bored to the point that I argue to keep busy, any news on your car David?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Yeah, it is fastER than yours Oh and it currently holds the B6 A4 record until Clint gets his shit together

And not off to they gym I go to pump up my ego, I mean muscles...........

[MMMB00ST_A4]

Yeah, it is fastER than yours Oh and it currently holds the B6 A4 record until Clint gets his shit together

And not off to they gym I go to pump up my ego, I mean muscles...........

Clearly, i mean is it running now with the new turbo or still the 3076? And when you plan on getting a tune for the PTE?

[Dan[FN]6262]

let me tell you about a porcupines balls....

[B6Lovin]

$100 says Daniel doesn't hit 400whp on 93 with his 30r and current mods. You can change to bigger injectors all you want and rev to 9000 all you want too. Aint happening unless maybe you do some research and find the happiest dyno around in your area and go there. 361whp was made and that was CORRECTED for one, so what was the REAL number, like 350? And that was at 29psi so not like you are going to run more boost or anything either. You said it acted up because of your injectors, well with the bigger injectors I say it still isn't happening and will be generous and give you another 15whp to add to your CORRECTED number which still puts you way short and if we use the number you actually made and not a corrected number then you are way off. I feel heartbreak coming in the future.

nice shootin' tex.... try again...
361awhp is uncorrected. 375 was my corrected #

so with your generosity i'm at 390awhp.... still think i can't squeeze 10whp out of it up top? never saw a peak # on my dynos... there was probably another 10 or so in it even on those pulls. with my ignition and fueling updated and a new tune coming that's actually MEANT for my setup i think 400awhp should be nooooo problem.

and even you said i could have probably seen more power with less boost, so less boost on the 630's, more power.... MORE boost on the 830's = even more than that?

oh, and i've never tweaked my timing... so that's always there too.

[B6Lovin]

let me tell you about a porcupines balls....

they're small, and they don't give a SHIT

[B6Lovin]

Cliffs:

Daniel aka B6lovin said he is going to make 400whp with his current setup on 93 octane since he changed from 630cc injectors to 830cc injectors and is going to rev to 8000+ instead of 7200 or whatever. He made 361whp (which was a corrected number and not what he really made btw) but he is going to jump 40whp by changing his injectors and revving another 1000rpm on his .63 ar gt3076r using stock cams which he was running 29psi on already on his last dyno of 361whp corrected. Oh and I said corrected numbers are stupid because you didn't make that number.

lolololololol please do your research before you make silly accusations



REAL cliffs:

i said that i can make 400awhp on an AMB head, 1.8L bottom end, 830's, returnless fuel, and 93oct no meth.
everyone but brandon disagrees
hilarity ensues
???
profit

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Clearly, i mean is it running now with the new turbo or still the 3076? And when you plan on getting a tune for the PTE?

Yes, it has been running for 2.5 weeks with the 5857. I went to the track 2 Wednesday's ago with it the week after I went with my 3076. I ran the 12.21@112 (later realized I had the boost set at 33psi which probably killed me and resulted in the low trap) then the next week I went with the 5857 and ran a 12.22@115 running 28psi. That was the video I posted of the clutch just blazing to redline in 2nd gear where I let of and got back in the throttle in 2nd then grinded 3rd and 4th. Tranny and clutch are junk so I was just wasting my time but managed a somewhat descent trap of 116.6 on one run. Tune, I am not completely sure on but I may be getting some help now, but I still need to figure out lean issues.

[B6Lovin]

^you have lean issues? explain. (this is news to me)

[A4 TSCHUSS]

nice shootin' tex.... try again...
361awhp is uncorrected. 375 was my corrected #

so with your generosity i'm at 390awhp.... still think i can't squeeze 10whp out of it up top? never saw a peak # on my dynos... there was probably another 10 or so in it even on those pulls. with my ignition and fueling updated and a new tune coming that's actually MEANT for my setup i think 400awhp should be nooooo problem.

and even you said i could have probably seen more power with less boost, so less boost on the 630's, more power.... MORE boost on the 830's = even more than that?

oh, and i've never tweaked my timing... so that's always there too.

You know what, I am sorry, I did do research and looked up your old thread, your numbers were actually 361 and 374 if you want to get technical. I made a stupid mistake and read your thread title which is

361awhp, 374awhp corrected for temp.

as 361whp and didn't even pay to much attention to the 2nd number and just assumed it was the torque number then saw the corrected for temp at the end of the title and read it as "361whp 374wtq corrected for temp." Now that I looked it up again, I see how you put in the uncorrected whp then the corrected whp where I skimmed the corrected as your torque. Guess I did the little assuming thing on that and made and ass out of, well not you so I guess just me. I still say you don't hit 400whp though on just 93 octane.

[Dan[FN]6262]

they're small, and they don't give a SHIT

THIS

[B6Lovin]

You know what, I am sorry, I did do research and looked up your old thread, your numbers were actually 361 and 374 if you want to get technical. I made a stupid mistake and read your thread title which is as 361whp and didn't even pay to much attention to the 2nd number and just assumed it was the torque number then saw the corrected for temp at the end of the title and read it as "361whp 374wtq corrected for temp." Now that I looked it up again, I see how you put in the uncorrected whp then the corrected whp where I skimmed the corrected as your torque. Guess I did the little assuming thing on that and made and ass out of, well not you so I guess just me. I still say you don't hit 400whp though on just 93 octane.

its all good. you just ranted on that being my corrected number for a pretty good while there - wanted to set that straight.

i think it's more than obtainable. just for you i'll shoot for the lowest possible real number that gives me a corrected "400awhp" hahahaha.
p.s. - clint beat out your time tonight if you haven't heard yet