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    Exclamation HID info. kelvin (color temp) vs. lumen (brightness output)

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    Here is some good info to help people decide on what to look for before they buy a HID kit.

    Some important information I came from this site and this site

    "Colour temperature ('K') vs brightness...It is a common misconception that higher colour temperatures (K’s) produce brighter lights. This is not true. The colour temperature only determines the colour but not the brightness of the HID light. The Colour Temperature is simply a scale represented by the Kelvin Temperature Chart (hence the abbreviation “K” or “K’s”) as decpited above that measures the colour of the light output. Typically, the higher the colour temperature, the closer you get to achieving bluish to purplish light colours."

    and

    "The higher the Kelvin, the less light output you get (lumens).
    With that said, anything over 6000K is basically a waste.
    So, what is the best bulb? IMO the 4300K is the best, as it has the highest light output. The problem, though, is that they have a yellow-ish tinge to them that some people find un-attractive. In that case, 5000-6000k is a better choice for you..... as they have a more blue look to them."


    Here is a good chart



    Some other good info from this site

    And a comparison of Kelvin to lumens;
    Standard OEM halogen 55W 9006(HB4) = 1100lm (lumens)

    4300k D2S Philips = 3200lm (lumens)
    4300k D2R Philips = 2800lm (lumens)
    4300k D2S Philips = 2400lm (lumens) actually 5800k
    4300k D2R Philips = 2000lm (lumens) actually 5800k
    4800k D4S/R (brand) = 3800 (lumens) ** brightest in the market
    5800k D4S/R (brand) = 3300 (lumens)
    7000k D2S other = 1790lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
    7000k D2R other = 1390lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
    8000k D2S other = 1180lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)
    8000k D2R other = 780lm (lumens) *(other bulb brand)

    Higher than 8000k, the light output significantly drops off, causing the light to be almost useless.

    One should point out that although light output drops off after 8000k, the fact that the light is in the blue-purple spectrum, it still puts a major strain on the eyes of others.

    More useful information

    And finally, for anyone searching for information on HID's or lighting in general, here are some important terms to know:
    (Thanks to HIDPlanet)
    Watt- Measure of electrical power (w)
    Volt- Measure of electrical charge (v)
    Kelvin- Measure of color temperature (K)
    Lumen- Measure of light brightness (lu)
    Capsule- technically correct term for a HID "bulb".
    Candela- Measure of light intensity (cd)
    Ampere- Measure of electrical current
    Cut-off- A distinctive line of light produced by the shield in a headlight that blocks light above a certain height in order to prevent blinding of other motorists.
    Beam Pattern- The pattern of light that is projected onto the ground which includes angle of lateral dispersion, width and depth of illumination.
    Capsule- Another term for an HID bulb. Some refer to HID bulbs as gas discharge capsules.
    Optics- The lighting control assembly structured around the bulb, which effects the dispersion of light and it's characteristics to a great degree.
    HID (High Intensity Discharge)= Gas Discharge
    Halogen= Incandescence

    This is the kit that I've used in the past because its very affordable (I bought the 35W, 6000k kit and the lumen rating is 3200lm). For my next HID kit my goal is to find a 55W kit in either 5000k or 6000k temp with the highest lumens for that kit. So spending a little bit more money isnt a big deal.

    Here is one kit that interests me. Specs from the site: 55W about 4200lm 6000k temp. this sounds like a better upgrade then the one I'm using in both of my cars.
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    How do the DDM kits stack up to these two you linked ?

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    My question is:
    Are these rating based on a 35W HID system? I'm interested in 55w HID ratings.
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    The standard OEM Philips 85122+ bulb is 35w and rated at 3100lm. I'd venture the ratings are based off 35w. Alot of so called 55w kits are only boosting 35w bulbs. One of the best matches you can find is a 55w ballast and Philips DL50 bulb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Operator View Post
    Alot of so called 55w kits are only boosting 35w bulbs.
    The bulb does not matter, There are not 35W bulbs and 55w bulbs when talking HID. Same bulb, It's the HID Ballast that controls the w outage.
    Same bulb will be fine in both 35w ballast and 55w ballast.
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    There are HID bulbs rated at 55W, but they are quite rare. (I believe they made my Philips)

    Just remember that when using a 35W bulb with a 55W ballast the bulb life will be significantly reduced, but since HID bulbs have such a long lifespan the bulb life will still probably be longer than a regular halogen bulb (if you are using quality bulbs).

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    generally speaking lower kelvin=brighter output
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPJ2007 View Post
    The bulb does not matter, There are not 35W bulbs and 55w bulbs when talking HID. Same bulb, It's the HID Ballast that controls the w outage.
    Same bulb will be fine in both 35w ballast and 55w ballast.
    The bulb does matter. I used a Philips DL50 bulb that produced more lumen than the standard 35w Hid bulb. Check out hidplanet.com for a comparison thread, that shows the difference. But you are correct in that most kit bulbs even in 55w kits are just normal 35w bulbs.
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    Another thing to think about is that when using different ballasts the the color and output change. using a 35w ballast will give you more color to the bulb and not as much output where as using a 55w will bleed out some of the color but give you significantly more output. (i.e 8k bulb w/ 55w ballast will look more like 6k)

    hope this helps too.

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    I have a B7 S4 and I'm looking for an HID light that will be brighter than stock. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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    If you are running stock HID's, about the only thing you can try are new bulbs. If you are on stock halogens, you could do a proper retrofit and use 55w ballasts.
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    How do the vvme kits stack up to these two you linked ?

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    Are these rating based on a 35W HID system? I'm interested in 55w HID ratings.



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