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    Senior Member Two Rings deltaforcehall's Avatar
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    Gt28rs Eliminator Kit questions

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    So after reading the turbo thread sticky I have came to the conclusion..... I have a headache and I'm still confused.. that thing either needs to be remade and locked, or deleted. Very hard to find useful information skimming between arguements throughout the entirety of it. Ugh...

    Anyways my questions are simple... HOPEFULLY

    I am going big turbo and tune:

    Is this kit ACTUALLY a bolt in kit.... if not WHAT fabrications have to be done or what OTHER items do I need so that I have them when I go to install it.....

    Is it the best bang for the buck? I want a legit 300hp.

    Here is the link of the kit I'm talking about.... if someone else reccommends buying it from another site... please chime in.

    http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart...t_detail&p=547



    So far in anticipation I have put in a lightweight flywheel, and s4 clutch disc/pressure plate. A forge 007 dv.

    I know I need injectors still for the kit and tune

    I plan on going with the Unitronic BT tune ... but the two different injectors are throwing me for a loop... 415 or 630.... whats the differences?

    Thanks guys.

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    Refer to P/N: ATP-VVW-152 to purchase the injector and software package and P/N: ATP-VVW-153 for the upgraded 3" inlet pipe kit for higher HP levels.
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    Senior Member Two Rings deltaforcehall's Avatar
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    I knew about the 3 inlet thing... but thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltaforcehall View Post
    I plan on going with the Unitronic BT tune ... but the two different injectors are throwing me for a loop... 415 or 630.... whats the differences?

    Thanks guys.
    the 630cc flows more and provides more headroom for higher power levels. IIRC uni has files for both injector setups. You might want to PM clint and get his thoughts on the 2 Uni files.
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    Senior Member Two Rings deltaforcehall's Avatar
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    who is clint?

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    Senior Member Two Rings deltaforcehall's Avatar
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    So anyone running the 415cc file over the 630 cc file?

    and did you use a maf housing from a tt or vr6 and did you need a 3.5bar fpr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltaforcehall View Post
    So anyone running the 415cc file over the 630 cc file?

    and did you use a maf housing from a tt or vr6 and did you need a 3.5bar fpr?
    Have check with 034? They sell the Uni GTRS kit.

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    You dont have a pressure regulator you can change on the B6. It is built in to the fuel filter.
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    the kit is bolt in but it is a PIA to bolt in. If you have a shop with experience doing stg 3 cars then they shouldn't have a problem doing it. You should really get a test pipe or a high flow cat and an exhaust. you probably wont make 300chp without it. Manual boost controller is recommended. as well as a FMIC. that is just the very basic stuff. If you want to get into exhaust mani's, TIP's, and things like Meth you are looking at putting down more power and therefore a lot of people will recommend a bottom end build.

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    I dont know exactly what unitronic calls for, but here's what had to be done to reach your goal (same as mine) with the revo setup.

    I installed this kit myself, and it is bolt in. As many have said the eliminator ATP manifold is a pita, and if you can get your hands on some of the 11mm manifold nuts that are longer you'll save the installer a ton of headaches getting them tight. I didnt, and this proved to be the hardest part of the whole install. If you do a search you'll find a few threads discussing where you might get them. If you dont, you need to bend a 12mm box wrench to get at several of the upper stud bolts. I also bought a 1/4"-drive snap on flex socket which works well also, but still needed the bent wrench for a few of them.

    Since I wanted a little more power than the standard e-code gtrs setup and REVO Stg 3 file provides, I had to do a few more things besides bolting this kit on and flashing the stg3 revo file. I am running the revo 550 tune with 630cc injectors and the fueling kit (040 fuel pump, 3" VR6 MAF) and a 3-bar MAP sensor. This allows you to play with the boost and timing settings using the REVO Selectplus to increase the boost levels over 20psi to get somewhere around the 300awhp mark. This also requires setting the wastegate actuator to crack open at 20psi (the standard setting of the GTRS wastegate wont allow boost levels over 20psi without adjustment/modification), which is best accomplished before installing the turbo. It is simple to do, you connect a regulated source of compressed air to the wastegate housing, and slowly increase the air pressure until the wastegate just begins to open (when you can spin the wastegate flapper with your finger). It should barely start to crack open at 20psi. I had to trim my actuator rod (shorten it) in order to achieve the 20psi.

    You probably know this already but you really should run this with a good fmic, and full exhaust including high flow cat or test pipe, and a good TIP (like the neuspeed extreme). I used the ER Comp fmic, and didnt have to bend anything to get it installed properly. Depending on what front bumper you have, you may have to do some trimming to get the fmic in. I didnt have to trim anything on my Sportec front bumper, not sure about others tho. I didnt have to modify the exhaust of fmic, just bolted it right in.

    The only thing I actually fabricated was a beter transition from the 3" MAF to the neuspeed TIP because i wanted to maintain the 2.75-inch inside diameter of the MAF/TIP inlet. All I did was get a 2.75" straight intercooler pipe, cut about a 3 inch section of it, slipped that into the neuspeed, and used a 3" silicone coupler to connect to the MAF.

    This might be irrelevant since you're going UNI, but thought I'd give you the overall setup I used that both Greg (DTH) and David (E-Code) suggested to me.

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    Well as far as the PITA part... I'm having my friend who is an Audi Tech help me w/ the install..... I have been reading a lot about different flashes for the Big Turbo setup..... it sounds like Unitronic's is the most aggressive but also the most risky on stock internals vs the Revo flash which sounds more safe and makes a decent amount of power... one of the reasons i was going to go w/ Uni was my friend is a dealer for them but his motor is also fully built and making like 500+hp in a jetta though

    Turboavanttro - your info was very interesting I'm def going to be bugging you now

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4 TSCHUSS View Post
    You dont have a pressure regulator you can change on the B6. It is built in to the fuel filter.
    really? why do all the tunes say, 3.5 fpr needed....

    if you can't even change them? I mean i have no idea, i havent really ever looked at my fuel rail... i did the o rings on the injectors a few months back though

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltaforcehall View Post
    really? why do all the tunes say, 3.5 fpr needed....
    because they are lazy and just copy/pasted off ATP's website (ATP makes the eliminator turbos). The adjustable FPR is only relevant for B5 A4's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Devo View Post
    because they are lazy and just copy/pasted off ATP's website (ATP makes the eliminator turbos). The adjustable FPR is only relevant for B5 A4's.
    ahah pretty much.

    Also people still dont realize that the only tuner to ever really focus on this kit is REVO. If you get Elim kit, get REVO. they have made more power on these kits than ANY OTHER tuner. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbavanttro View Post
    The only thing I actually fabricated was a beter transition from the 3" MAF to the neuspeed TIP because i wanted to maintain the 2.75-inch inside diameter of the MAF/TIP inlet. All I did was get a 2.75" straight intercooler pipe, cut about a 3 inch section of it, slipped that into the neuspeed, and used a 3" silicone coupler to connect to the MAF.
    Nice attention to detail !
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    Thanks for all the info guys, I'll be sure to make a build thread when all my shit gets here and take pics throughout it!

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    Are any of you guys running a MAFless tune? I am debating wether to stick w/ a MAF or go MAFless

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    stick with a MAF
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    Senior Member Two Rings deltaforcehall's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan[FN]Shank210 View Post
    stick with a MAF

    im gonna. thanks

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    Our price is 100$ cheaper, and our injectors/inlet/software is cheaper. Not sure about you, but I'd rather save my money to buy steak and beer.



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