@DoolBozorg- Yes it will. It's all MLP/MLB cars with the 6MT.
Seeing as I have seen one other company with only a prototype, and not even pricing, it would not be fair for me to make a bunch of assumptions.
But-
1. Install:
Our install, as seen in the video, took me 8 minutes. The car doesn't have to be on a lift- you just need to slide under it.
There is NO interior trim removal. Have you ever done that? It is just shy of impossible to casually remove that stuff without running the risk of damage.
2. Design:
A different approach. Audi engineers spent a lot of time and effort, more than any tuning company could ever offer, on making the OEM shifter long lasting, smooth operating, and ergonomically positioned.
We don't change that- We just reduce the time between gears. Some drivers wouldn't be comfortable with that. But that's not you. You like to drive. No beige here.
We create a weighted-throw feel because the entire assembly is as far from the pivot as possible. Yet, the actual added weight is minimal.
Sealed cartridge bearings are tucked inside a precision CNC'd piece. No sloppy bushings anywhere.
3. Performance:
Its short. Precise. Clean. Smooth like butter. It doesn't vibrate. Doesn't make noise. Doesn't make your center console creak, because you never had to remove it.
By keeping the OEM shaft, you retain all the quality and refinement of the damped shaft. You picked this car because its a nice vehicle. Don't start throwing away creature comforts. You interact with the shifter the whole time you drive your car. It will still be as pleasant as the day you got it. And anyone else who drives your car will still feel that German Engineering.
4. Price:
$149 is awesome. Most B6/B7 short shifter average $250 and up.
Spend that $100 on two tanks of Premium instead. Or take your significant other out for a date.
You know, because you didn't spend all day on the install.
Cons? Honestly? Hah, I doubt many other companies will tackle this, but I will:
1. It doesn't change the height of the shifter (See #2, above).
2. It doesn't have multiple positions. Its just right.
3. It'll never result in a comically written DIY Install guide with profanity, trips to a hardware store, or repeated how-to question on the forum.
John, thanks for the info but I have a few questions:
-Your competitor's system replaces the plastic pivot ball and rubber bushings. From their video it's obviously more precise and a better fit than the factory set up. But your system doesn't address those components. Why wouldn't the sloppiness and play still exist in your system?
-I find the OEM system to be notchy, not smooth. Feels as bad as manual transmissions I drove in the 70s not BMWs I owned in the 90s that were very smooth. Without replacing the components that make for the sloppy OEM feel, how is your system going to make for the smooth shifts you suggest?
-Will you have a more detailed video as I cant see exactly what you are disassembling on that video.
Notchiness- I think its safe to say some of that is transmission and not the shifter. However, adding weight to the shifter will make it feel smoother. Thats the "weighted throw" you hear about.
We've got that covered. By concentrating the mass towards the end of the OEM shifter, you gain all of the benefits of a heavy shifter, without actually needing a heavy shifter.
Interestingly, by maintaining the OEM shifter shaft, and its damper, our shifter will actually feel smoother in-hand than a complete replacement.
Replacing the plastic ball and rubber bushings. I won't try to attack my competitors here- but I will say this much: We effectively bypass the rubber bushing. There is no question to any aftermarket designer that the integrated bushing was a weakness. Our design eliminates its movement. That alone drastically changes the shifter feel in a positive fashion.
As for the plastic ball: The OEM plastic ball pivot is suspended in a spring-loaded race. It doesn't have play, or really any friction for that matter. Definitely less than a spherical bearing/bushing should. The vibrations that travel through the shifter parts are muted and stopped as the enter the shifter housing. By replacing that with a big heavy steel bearing, you're introducing a stress factor that will inevitably damage the rest of the car before the shifter. Every time you snap through a gear hard, you're effectively hitting a steel hammer against a plastic housing. No dice. I don't want 'mystery creaks' or damaged console parts as a result of my product. Leaving the stock plastic ball in place and finding the real source of the sloppy shift was my priority.
My goal was 1) Eliminating the play within the OEM shifter, 2) Reducing the physical throw, 3) Having an easy install, and 4) Keeping the price low.. all while retaining the high quality interaction that you're used to in German cars.
The only jab I'd take at the competition?
Beat all 4 of those.
Thanks for the response, John. Now all you need is a few testers in the field and some customer reports. Find a Chicago shop or customer so I can go look. Thanks again.
Thanks for the response, John. Now all you need is a few testers in the field and some customer reports. Find a Chicago shop or customer so I can go look. Thanks again.
Ditto--except for the Chicago part. If anybody from the board jumps on this, I'd like to hear your feedback as well.
Just installed one on Mick4's S4. He got to drive our prototype:
Originally Posted by Mick4
I was able to test out this short shifter today and was very happy, this will be my first modification when released. The throw is cut by what seemed like 1/2, and it reduces a lot of unwanted slop in the stock box. The smooth qualities of the stock setup are maintained, however. It's a no brainer for me...
And for what it's worth, the Millitek non-resonated exhaust and Hyperflow intake both sound incredible in real life.
my service manager at my dealer advised me not to change the shifter in anyway because "the synchronizer timing is set up for the length and time of the factory shift throw."
my service manager at my dealer advised me not to change the shifter in anyway because "the synchronizer timing is set up for the length and time of the factory shift throw."
Is this actually true? Anyone have any experience on this personally or from a service perspective (AofC_RR)?
my service manager at my dealer advised me not to change the shifter in anyway because "the synchronizer timing is set up for the length and time of the factory shift throw."
This would imply that shifting the stock shifter "too quickly" would also be a problem. I think you'll be fine.
I just wanted to step in and point out all claims by Stratmosphere about our product are COMPLETELY false. John please do not attempt to pass miss information as fact, this will bite you guys in the butt later on as time goes on. If your product is so great you shouldn't have to make up lies to sell it. This is strictly their opinion and our track record in the B5, B6 and B7 platform proves otherwise.
BOTTOM LINE. If you want a lower cost product, want NO adjustability and like the numb feel (for comfort) of the stock shifter then get a Strat. We understand some people do want the stock numb feel and that is ok with us, we are not going after that market. If you want a performance oriented shifter that allows you to tailor it to your liking (throw and pushdown reverse stiffness) that will last longer than stock and add extra feel and precision get our JHM "solid" short throw shifter. We know that there is no one sized fits all solution so we make ours adjustable and for pure performance. It is that simple, they are 2 totally different approaches going for totally different enthusiasts.
That is all that is needed to be said, I do not want to ruin this thread with useless arguments and attacks.
I just wanted to step in and point out all claims by Stratmosphere about our product are COMPLETELY false. John please do not attempt to pass miss information as fact, this will bite you guys in the butt later on as time goes on. If your product is so great you shouldn't have to make up lies to sell it. This is strictly their opinion and our track record in the B5, B6 and B7 platform proves otherwise.
BOTTOM LINE. If you want a lower cost product, want NO adjustability and like the numb feel (for comfort) of the stock shifter then get a Strat. We understand some people do want the stock numb feel and that is ok with us, we are not going after that market. If you want a performance oriented shifter that allows you to tailor it to your liking (throw and pushdown reverse stiffness) that will last longer than stock and add extra feel and precision get our JHM "solid" short throw shifter. We know that there is no one sized fits all solution so we make ours adjustable and for pure performance. It is that simple, they are 2 totally different approaches going for totally different enthusiasts.
That is all that is needed to be said, I do not want to ruin this thread with useless arguments and attacks.
Thanks.
Didn't see any attacks from the guys at Strat directly on JHM. I think this post was kinda in poor form...but that's just me.
I had this installed earlier this week and after a few days, I wanted to provide some feedback, as follows:
PRO'S
1. Price - for $149, this a no-brainer
2. The advertised 45% throw reduction is there and possibly a bit more.
3. The shifter has a better "weight" to it. Not remotely "snick snick" light but instead a nice, involving snap of two or three fingers to shift.
4. Easy, quick install without the need for any interior part removal.
CON'S
1. When initially installed, I couldn't get reverse. My mechanic put the car back up on the lift and easily figured-out that the reverse gear lockout needed to be re-aligned (he apparently ignored the instructions to mark this with a Sharpie before disassembly). Therefore, not a "con" but more a word to the wise!
2. Reverse is a tad more difficult to get than with the factory shifter
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Didn't see any attacks from the guys at Strat directly on JHM. I think this post was kinda in poor form...but that's just me.
you must be blind man if you dont see a blatant attack. obviously who else is their biggest competitor in terms of these products? both have made lucritive businesses off their short shifters so it is kind of obvious. piss poor posting, immature if you will, on stratmosphere's part.
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I've stayed out of your threads Jay. I don't think you'd like to see me popping up in all of yours.
I have a distinct sense that the $125 price gap is big enough to drive a truck/thread through.
price gap or not, ive driven in a car with a stratmosphere short shifter and if you like your reverse damn near impossible to get into, 1st, 3rd, and 5th in stock neutral position and that "numb" feeling, be my guest and save the 125. the reason the JHM shifter is more difficult is beause it is more involved. it is made with the high performance driver in mind and to offer him that peace of mind that he wont break any weak plastic or rubber OEM pieces that your shifter retains. and where you are charging 145 for a piece of metal with some allen bolts screwed in it, JHM sells a new ENTIRE ASSEMBLY, that is redesigned and strengthened from top to bottom. hence the price and the more involved installation.
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I also just had this installed on my ride this past friday. I completely agree with what quattrowerks said. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than 45% reduction. I also had the problem with getting it into reverse, but was easily solved after some adjustment. Everything has worked great so far, I love the feel of it and see it as great modification for the price.
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I've stayed out of your threads Jay. I don't think you'd like to see me popping up in all of yours.
I have a distinct sense that the $125 price gap is big enough to drive a truck/thread through.
they also dont mention any of you guys products in their threads. as far as you guys posting in theres i say go for it and see how quickly you get torn up. you guys have absolutely nothing that can compete with any jhm product. no you didnt come out and directly say who or what you were alluding to but it was pretty obvious you were making cracks at their shifter. way to be a standup advertiser, you dont see apr doing this shit. keep peddling your MAD HP hyperflow intake to the blind and dumb and let other comanies peacefully go about actually advancing this platform.
they also dont mention any of you guys products in their threads. as far as you guys posting in theres i say go for it and see how quickly you get torn up. you guys have absolutely nothing that can compete with any jhm product. no you didnt come out and directly say who or what you were alluding to but it was pretty obvious you were making cracks at their shifter. way to be a standup advertiser, you dont see apr doing this shit. keep peddling your MAD HP hyperflow intake to the blind and dumb and let other comanies peacefully go about actually advancing this platform.
You are way over the top and out of line. In your childish diatribe you have done worse than anything you criticize him for. If enough people report this clown then maybe we can get him a little vacation from the forum.
over the top and out of line by pointing out the obvious? advertisers shouldnt be making cracks on others, its unprofessional simple as that. if youre drinking the koolaid dont get mad at me because youre an idiot. he nitpicks to criticize a different and in very many cases a better option than the one he offers. they offer a shorter stick with a cute little adapter. woohoo. if you want to pay 149 for a shorter stick by all means go for it. hell you could go the honduh! route and ake a hacksaw to your stocker. if that is what they want to sell go for it. another product from a line of mediocrity. poor quality milltek grabage that falls apart and doesnt make near the power it should for the money, hyperflow intake that is a complete joke but i wont beat that dead horse..., and now a totally awesome HYPERSHIFTER that strat has to talk shit on JHM to sell. you want to sell it? go for it just dont hate on another company because they make a better product.
over the top and out of line by pointing out the obvious?
Obvious to you. You don't like the design then don't buy it but you don't have the right to torch a sponsor. See, the sponsor is unable to respond to you with the same ill-mannered, classless method. Your gutless attempt to ruin his reputation should be noted by the moderators.
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