I'm sure most of you are familiar with our Time Attack car by now...
If you guys have been following the project, you know that this car has seen a different setup each and every year. If you guys have been keeping an eye on your calendars, you know that it's 2010. And that means it's time for us to do something fresh here at 034Motorsport.
Let's start off with a recap of the 3 previous years:
2007 - 12V 2.9L VR6T - GT35R (Road Course & Drag Strip) - GT42RS (Dyno)
It started with the quirky idea of swapping a VR6 longitudinally into a B5 chassis. People gave us strange looks at the supermarket because of it, but a few months later, our car was a force to be reckoned with. This was the year we started and finished the VR6T swap, and campaigned it in the Redline Time Attack Series, taking the overall win in the "Modified" class. We also finished second in the 2007 Eurotuner GP dyno and drag race competitions, and first in the AWD road course competition.
2008 - 24V 2.9L VR6T - R32 Head - GT35R (Road Course & Drag Strip) - GT45R (Dyno)
In the second year campaigning this car, we were lucky enough to find a brand new 24V longblock at an incredible price, straight from VWoA. So, we sourced ourselves an R32 head, built up the 24V 2.8L block, and sourced some better valvetrain components. Competing in three large events (Ultimate Street Car Challenge, Castrol Top Shop Challenge, Eurotuner GP 2008) with three different cars (S8-Powered Audi Coupe Quattro, Time Attack B5 VR6T, 80TQ's I5 20VT) left us strapped for time, and low on funds. Building in-house projects is tough when each of us spend 45+ hours a week doing day-to-day tasks, and making sure that customers are taken care of. We started tuning on the 45R a few nights before we had to head down to the ETGP, and started going through clutches. By the time we machined a new flywheel for our billet clutch kit, it was too late. The car's crankshaft was compromised from clutches flying apart on the dyno at high RPM, and broke on the road course after putting down a clutch-limited 807WHP at the event to take first place on the dyno. Even with a broken crank, the car set the fastest time on the road course during practice, feathering the throttle and only revving to ~4500. After running a timed lap that was good enough for 2nd place, we retired from the competition.
2009 - 24V 2.9L VR6T - R32 Head - Precision Billet-Wheeled GT35R (Road Course) - GT42RS (Dyno & Drag Strip)
We toyed around with the idea of trying a different powerplant, but we knew what the VR was capable of, and had plenty of time to do proper testing and setup. With a fresh built 2.9L block and the same head from 2008, we made some major changes to the car. We did a widebody conversion to allow us to fit more tire underneath the car, and sent our GT35R out to Precision Turbo for one of their fancy billet compressor wheels. We also stole the GT42RS form the Castrol Top Shop Challenge motor, and decided to use it for both the dyno and drag strip competitions. This year also brought about some major firmware development for our 034EFI ECUs, many of which were tested and implemented in our Time Attack B5, including advanced launch control, gear-based boost, and flat-shift. We swept ETGP '09, and set some impressive milestones despite the fact that the car only saw Continental street tires.
2010 - ??? - ???
This year we plan on racing in the Redline Time Attack Series that we won back in 2007, and hopefully Super Lap Battle. No more huge dyno horsepowers or quarter mile runs, as we are retiring this car from the ETGP, and focusing on what it was intended to do. I hate to be a tease, but here are some parts from the latest 034Motorsport Time Attack B5 Build... More updates to come as the car progresses.
Can someone identify this block?
Stroke it...
Very nice, I like.
Ever wonder what a 6 pound flywheel looks like?
Yup, that's right... We're reusing the same Tilton clutch we had in the VR6T. Why spend $1,200 if you don't have to?
You 2.7T guys don't have to worry, we're cooking something special up to take to ETGP 2010 just for you.
Thanks guys, we're doing out best to keep the community updated on the build this time around.
Originally Posted by Kyle H
Wow, going back to the i4.... Interesting. I'll definitely be keeping tabs on this thread. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with!
Yeah, the VR6T was great from the ETGP, but the I4 is much more suited for a dedicated time attack car. It lends itself to a much more balanced chassis, with a lot less ballast needed at the back of the car.
Originally Posted by RichardsA4
No more Vr6t ???
That makes me sad. Your car inspired my current project a vr6t avant.
Well, at least no VR6T in this car this year.
The VR6T configurations dominated the last 3 years, so it's time for a change. This doesn't mean that we're done with the VR6, or that we won't continue to support and develop the longitudinal VR6 platform. We plan on revisiting something similar in the future.
We're very happy to know that we inspired you to do the swap, a lot of our customers are doing the same, and there are quite a few B5 VR6 cars up and running now!
Waiting for this thread to get updated with detailed goodies.
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Why did we choose a 1.8T head over a 2.0T FSI head? While the 2.0T FSI head flows extremely well out of the box, it is very limited in terms of camshaft options, and has seen very limited use in high-horsepower, big-turbo road-racing cars. In an event as competitive as the Redline Time Attack, we're gong to stick to something that we've tested and have made proven power with.
I read Eurotuner yesterday, 908 ahwp?!! Freaking ridiculous!!
Oh, and do you guys have any job openings? I graduate WyoTech in September haha
Thanks!
We actually just hired a third tech this year, but we keep interesting resumes on file for when we expand and have openings.
If you'd like to, shoot me an email with a resume when you're done with school, and I can forward it to Javad.
We have 2 full-time employees who moved all the way from the east coast to work here. They actually only came for the weather, but I like to make us sound cooler than we really are.
Love the vr6t platform. eventually, when enough money flows, i will get one done as well. Love you guys work!!!! keep it up!!! cant wait to see what 034 brings this year!!!!
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We actually just hired a third tech this year, but we keep interesting resumes on file for when we expand and have openings.
If you'd like to, shoot me an email with a resume when you're done with school, and I can forward it to Javad.
We have 2 full-time employees who moved all the way from the east coast to work here. They actually only came for the weather, but I like to make us sound cooler than we really are.
I'll definitely send you an email soon-ish. It would really cool to come right out of school and not have to work in a dealership.
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PTE took the Garrett GT concept and improved upon it with their exclusive all-new lineup of HP Technology Series Turbos. These turbos feature dual ceramic ball bearings, as well as proprietary billet compressor wheels designed using the latest in aerodynamic technology. Ceramic ball bearings deal much better with high temperatures, and therefore eliminate the need for water cooling. They are also available with full-vbanded cast turbine housing for cleaner, gasket-free installation.
The 5857E-B is conservatively rated at 605CHP, but there are guys in the Evo world making upwards of 600WHP on the same turbo. It should offer us the spool of a GT30R, with the peak power of a GT35R.
We'll be getting to work on the new manifold for the car later this week, as time permits between customer projects and regular maintenance.
How come you guys got the small inlet, and .60 housing instead of the 4" inlet .70 housing? I like that you got the turbo I recommended though (said to get the 5857 in this thread in the b5 s4 forum). I am sure it wasn't because of me though that you got it, but I think it is a lovely turbo
Last edited by A4 TSCHUSS; 03-17-2010 at 09:29 PM.
~David~
I can help you with your 1.8t work (timing belts, etc)
2.0 Billet PTE 5857 A4
Those who say it can't be done should get out of the way of those who are doing it.
119mph traps w/ 437whp/392wtq dyno jet power on 93 octane and washer fluid injection
527whp/576wtq White Pano E55 AMG 11.69@120mph on street tires
How come you guys got the small inlet, and .60 housing instead of the 4" inlet .70 housing? I like that you got the turbo I recommended though (said to get the 5857 in this thread in the b5 s4 forum). I am sure it wasn't because of me though that you got it, but I think it is a lovely turbo
We've been wanting to try out one of these turbos for a while, and we will be using the 4" inlet anti-surge compressor housing. The turbo showed up with the smaller cover, Precision got the new one to us today.
Hey everyone, just did a major update on our blog... It's almost 10:00 PM, and I've been here about 14 hours, so I'm too lazy to transfer everything over here right now.
This weekend at 034 was certainly a busy one… Almost half of the staff was at at the shop over the weekend, either working on prepping our Time Attack B5 Audi A4 or finishing up our newly-built dyno room (more details on that later).
With less than a week left before our trip to Buttonwillow for the first race of the Redline Time Attack Series, a lot of work still needs to be done on the car. Since the motor isn’t fully assembled, we mocked up another tall-deck block for the time being, and got to work on the car. We installed a new fuel cell, engineered a dry-sump setup for the 2.2L motor, fabricated a new exhaust manifold, and worked on the intake plumbing.
Weight reduction was our main goal here… The 2.2L longblock weighs 100 pounds less than the VR6T. The new intercooler weighs in at 9 pounds vs. 45. The new exhaust manifold weighs in at 9 pounds vs. 26. Removing this weight from the front of the car should also allow us to remove the ballast that we had in the back for the VR6T.
Specs on the build can be found after the pictures below. Feel free to click on the images for a larger view.
Built ALH Tall-Deck Block:
Billet 100mm Stroke Crankshaft
034Motorsport 159/20 Forged Rods
JE 83/100 Forged Pistons – 9:1 CR
Coated Rod Bearings
Coated Main Bearings
ARP Main Stud Kit
ARP Head Stud Kit
Fluidampr Crank Pulley
034Motorsport Dry Sump Oil Pan
034Motorsport Dry Sump System
Suspension/Brakes
Alcon Front Brake Calipers
Ohlins Motorsport Coilover Suspension
034Motorsport Spherical Front Control Arms
Stock Front Swaybar
034Motorsport Billet Front Subframe Bushings
034Motorsport Spherical Rear Control Arms
034Motorsport Spherical Tie Rods
034Motorsport Blade-Style Adjustable Rear Swaybar
034Motorsport Billet Rear Subframe Bushings
034Motorsport Rear Brake Upgrade Kit
Wheels/Tires
17×9 Enkei RPF-1 Wheels
275 Series Toyo RA1 Tires
Stay tuned for more updates and dyno numbers! Our first race is this Saturday, March 27th.
Hey everyone, just did a major update on our blog... It's almost 10:00 PM, and I've been here about 14 hours, so I'm too lazy to transfer everything over here right now.
The car sounds great Laszlo. Can you tell me what offset those wheels are and whether or not you need spacers to clear the uprights? I have a 275/40-17 in the garage for mockup and want to put a set of those or 285 on my avant. The body will get wider but I don't want it any wider than necessary.
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Originally Posted by onemoremile
The car sounds great Laszlo. Can you tell me what offset those wheels are and whether or not you need spacers to clear the uprights? I have a 275/40-17 in the garage for mockup and want to put a set of those or 285 on my avant. The body will get wider but I don't want it any wider than necessary.
I believe that they are ET20, with a 20mm spacer to make everything clear. They started life as 5x114.3 and were remachined for our car. 285s are definitely a tight squeeze on the B5.
Laszlo, I don't know if it is going to be secretive or not, but will you guys share dyno numbers when you get it tuned? Dynos seem to be few and far between with this turbo and it would be interesting to see what you guys get on differerent boost levels.
~David~
I can help you with your 1.8t work (timing belts, etc)
2.0 Billet PTE 5857 A4
Those who say it can't be done should get out of the way of those who are doing it.
119mph traps w/ 437whp/392wtq dyno jet power on 93 octane and washer fluid injection
527whp/576wtq White Pano E55 AMG 11.69@120mph on street tires
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I does not believe...
Originally Posted by Kyle H
What steering rack are you guys using?
We're using a stock rack with an MR2 electric power steering pump.
Originally Posted by A4 TSCHUSS
Laszlo, I don't know if it is going to be secretive or not, but will you guys share dyno numbers when you get it tuned? Dynos seem to be few and far between with this turbo and it would be interesting to see what you guys get on differerent boost levels.
Of course! Everything's a bit down to the wire right now, as we will only have a day or so to tune the car before this first event, but I should be able to post dyno numbers by next week.
I believe some of the Evo guys have posted a few charts over on EvolutionM.net, and it looks to be a very promising turbo to say the least.
The only dyno I have seen is actually one I posted over there which has been passed around on there and on the SRT4 forum. Precision gave it to me in an email after talking with them a while back. The one with the supposed 5557 vs 5857 dyno on the same graph with 573whp being the top number, but that was said to be at 27psi on a 2.0 Evo MR which I don't know if I can believe that power output at 27psi. I couldn't ever find what actual car it came from off the forum, just that Precision said it was from an Evo. Looking forward to your results! My 5857 should be here in 2 days, but with .63 a/r housing, hopefully it odesn't kill me to much, but my limiter is at 8000 so I don't spin to high.
~David~
I can help you with your 1.8t work (timing belts, etc)
2.0 Billet PTE 5857 A4
Those who say it can't be done should get out of the way of those who are doing it.
119mph traps w/ 437whp/392wtq dyno jet power on 93 octane and washer fluid injection
527whp/576wtq White Pano E55 AMG 11.69@120mph on street tires
What size is the 30v V6 throttle body? And what vehicle was this taken from? Thanks!
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