Random thought that was echoed a couple of times in this thread that I think would actually be WAY cool, has anyone ever swapped in the I5 motor from the urS4? Would be sick!
yes, it's been done a few times. once by Issam iirc.
but the I5 is a long motor. and very hard to cram in our engine bays. thus the biggest reason for the VR swap. it's a large displacement single turbo motor that fits in the bay(sorta)
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... if everytime someone tries something new everyone jumps on the "thats retarded" bandwagon, how are new things ever going to happen?
as long as they're being done for the right reasons, "new" things will ALWAYS happen regardless and in spite of the detractors. doing something just for internet/forum fame is hardly a good reason to do anything, which is why i simply take idiocy (like 85% of this thread) as entertainment. this appears to be a goal-oriented project and as long as deb38 keeps focused on his goal, the project will succeed or fail based on it's own merits or shortcomings, not because narrow-minded, loud-mouthed babies don't like it and wish failure upon him. plain and simple.
while i'd choose to go about things differently if it were me, i can sure respect this proposed project for what it is. i never thought the day would come when i (a 3SGTE-guy) would have to defend a 4G63, but fact is fact. crank-walk jokes aside (i had to ), it is an effective and formidable engine that can get the job done if things are done right.
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while i'd choose to go about things differently if it were me, i can sure respect this proposed project for what it is. i never thought the day would come when i (a 3SGTE-guy) would have to defend a 4G63, but fact is fact. crank-walk jokes aside (i had to ), it is an effective and formidable engine that can get the job done if things are done right.
well said... on that note
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It is in fact a bolt on. Remove tranny bolts, loosen motor mount bolts, slide engine back, slide tranny the other way and the TC comes right out. Replace it with an IPT higher stall TC, replace/tighten bolts, and your done.
Your not actually going inside the TC and messing with the insides yourself, plus the TC has nothing to do with the strength of the Auto's themselves, they just help with brake-boosting off the line. Higher stall helps to spool the 30r's and 35r's, where as the stock TC can only spool about the size of an FP Green. So you don't NEED a higher stall TC, but it helps if you don't want to use nitrous out of the hole to spool the turbo up. But basically saying a higher stall TC isn't a bolt on, would be like saying changing sparkplugs, or swapping to a bigger throttle body isn't a bolt on.
Also, you guys have me rolling with the crankwalk picture. I know the person who took the picture, actually. Funny stuff.
Love this build and evo engine was in my thoughts, figured the vr would be easier.
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The motor in a TC is from a Camry is it not? A 4G63 is alright, but putting a Camry motor in an S4 is worse than sticking your balls into a meat grinder...
It is a Camry motor, also the best 4 cylinder motor Toyota probably ever made. You can achieve a 3.0ltr with that motor and they run for ever. People are making insane tq and hp with these motors
Awesome project derek, good luck! Lol, you knew this thread was gonna get some "mixed" opinions. "Listen not to vain words of empty tongue, but listen to those who know what they are talking about."
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Here's the difference between DSM'rs and Audi guys.
Audi guys like Audis cause they're nice and comfortable luxury cars with a bit of pep to them. They look hot and even hotter after a couple aesthetic mods. What keeps the Audi community together is the car, not the powerplant. Which is obvious unless all Audi owners got thousands of dollars to spend to go low 13's in the 1/4 mile, kickin' around in a pair of spare jeans.
DSM's are JUNK. They're ugly, beat, rusty and molested. The transmissions suck, the interiors suck. The DSM community is based on the 4g63 power plant, not the car itself. If the cars didn't come with this amazing mod friendly and plentiful motor, the DSM community wouldn't be as big as it is today. You can buy a DSM for $1,000, and put another $1,000 into it and go 12's all day.
So like I said, best of both worlds. You got a nice car (s4) and an amazing powerplant (4g63.)
Sorry for going a little off topic. I know the motor in the s4 is out of an Evo, which is differnt from the dsm 4g63. But still just as capable. So I believe my point is valid.
Another little comparison. I heard this past waterfest, the drag classes were something pathetic, like 15 seconds and higher, and the fast class was 14 seconds and lower? I went to the DSM shootout this past year and 70% of the cars going down the track did high 10's and low 11's. Half or more of those cars were Evos.
Thumbs up on the build. I look forward to seeing this done. This is a fantastic idea.
in the 1/4 mile, kickin' around in a pair of spare jeans.
DSM's are JUNK. They're ugly, beat, rusty and molested. The transmissions suck, the interiors suck.
Thumbs up on the build. I look forward to seeing this done. This is a fantastic idea.
I guess you have never seen a properly done 97-99 GSX. Cuz they have some pretty sexy Stock lines. I agree 1g's are ugly lil beasts , but most cars in the early 90's didnt look to hot. Even your Beloved Audi's.
But atleast you recognize the Motor is one of the best Motors ever Built. Hence why it was used for... 17 years?
On a side note this should make for an interesting project. All the drivetrain modifcations are going to be fun.
It is in fact a bolt on. Remove tranny bolts, loosen motor mount bolts, slide engine back, slide tranny the other way and the TC comes right out. Replace it with an IPT higher stall TC, replace/tighten bolts, and your done.
Using this logic a big turbo, rods, heads, manifolds, fuel rail, injectors, etc. are all considered bolt on mods. After all, you just gotta crack the motor, undo a few bolts and slap in new rods.
Other then this I agree with your posts.
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It is a Camry motor, also the best 4 cylinder motor Toyota probably ever made. You can achieve a 3.0ltr with that motor and they run for ever. People are making insane tq and hp with these motors
I dont think he's looking for striaght displacement, rather tunablility, many shops out there that support 4g63.
FYI stay away from SlowBoy. Not exactly, my first choice... stick with the proven shops, Buschur, AMS,
Point being the 4g63 is an extremely tunable, reliable, PROVEN..... ECT... audi "tuners" hit the 450 mark and call it a day. However. with the cars being expensive to mod. I understand that there isnt much of a following in comparison the the 4g63
Heres the experiance with both cars... s4 b5 or b6 ( i have owned both ) and EVO...
EVo: is a complete shitbox, it shakes rattles... new noise everyday..... best handling car I have ever driven, Bullletproof engine and drive train... Great track car. AWD... the active center diff is INSANE. great tunablity, pretty easy to mod... ECT. Great engine great Drivetrain. its simple, It works.
S4: great interior, great build quality. Much better looks, Solid, Centered. AWD system is great. comfortable. OK for spirted driving. Expensive to maintain.... little parts... Pain in the ass to work on.. any mods worth doing are 3000 and up.......
just my opinion coming from someone who has OWNED and worked on BOTH cars extensively,my evo was heavily modded, both my s4s were done relatively nicely...
But atleast you recognize the Motor is one of the best Motors ever Built. Hence why it was used for... 17 years?
to piggyback that, the 4g63 has won several awards for its design.... however the Audi's Twincharger did win engine of the year once... BUT its not in a s4... so most likely not included in this discussion... but i bet some smuck will try to ride it....
I rarely see a 1.8t making good torque. These EVO motors easily make over 400-600 ft/lbs of torque compared to BT 1.8ts that barely maintain TQ in the 300s.
Its a difference you can really feel if you have ever driven or driven in a big turbo EVO setup.... Those motors just flow serious air.
I rarely see a 1.8t making good torque. These EVO motors easily make over 400-600 ft/lbs of torque compared to BT 1.8ts that barely maintain TQ in the 300s.
Its a difference you can really feel if you have ever driven or driven in a big turbo EVO setup.... Those motors just flow serious air.
You do realize an engine is just an engine right?
I love when people compare X engine to Y engine without really getting indepth with respect to what each engine is capable of.
You can make 400-600 ft/lbs of torque out of a 1.8T if you wanted.
Depends what steps you are willing to take.
Aftermarket support for 4G63 > 1.8T
that is the only difference...nothing more and nothing less.
whp / $ spent is HALF on the 4G63 compared the 1.8T (as I am sure you know) however ,if you think it is a better "built" motor than the 1.8T then you are sadly mistaken.
I love when people compare X engine to Y engine without really getting indepth with respect to what each engine is capable of.
You can make 400-600 ft/lbs of torque out of a 1.8T if you wanted.
Depends what steps you are willing to take.
Aftermarket support for 4G63 > 1.8T
that is the only difference...nothing more and nothing less.
whp / $ spent is HALF on the 4G63 compared the 1.8T (as I am sure you know) however ,if you think it is a better "built" motor than the 1.8T then you are sadly mistaken.
You do realize that every engine has different flow characteristics and engine design right?
You do realize that 4g63 can run cams with massive lift, right ?
Jesus.
So unless 1.8t aftermarket support is going to include a completely redesigned cylinder head then..........
Also, I said nothing about it being a better "BUILT" motor. I am simply referring to the TQ that EVO setups make compared to 1.8t (2.0L stroked or otherwise). When Mike Hood broke 500 AWTQ @ 37 psi, I was impressed... as hitting 500 AWTQ on a 1.8t is so rare, but he still needed 37psi and Q16 fueling to do so.
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Aftermarket support for 4G63 > 1.8T
that is the only difference...nothing more and nothing less.
This statement is FALSE.
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Sean, dual outer adjustable cam gears are in the works. As well as cam options and better solid lifter options. The 1.8T is going to be one hell of a competitor with those few things
Sean, dual outer adjustable cam gears are in the works. As well as cam options and better solid lifter options. The 1.8T is going to be one hell of a competitor with those few things
to each his own, good luck and i think i might try to cram a RS6 V8tt
I hope you're planning to cut your firewall, move the engine and trans back 4", swap the block out for a regular 4.2 block since it won't bolt up to the tranny(or use stupid thick adapter plate), custom shift linkage, custom flywheel, reprogram the cluster, cut the rad support, and relocate a shit ton of other things. You'll also need custom turbo piping, DPs, inlets, EFK, rad, etc.
At least the harness is plug-and-play though
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Using this logic a big turbo, rods, heads, manifolds, fuel rail, injectors, etc. are all considered bolt on mods. After all, you just gotta crack the motor, undo a few bolts and slap in new rods.
Other then this I agree with your posts.
Your post tickles me in a way, that if Loretta tickled me that way, I would say "Ohhh yeah...that's nice".
Originally Posted by Issam@034
whp / $ spent is HALF on the 4G63 compared the 1.8T (as I am sure you know) however ,if you think it is a better "built" motor than the 1.8T then you are sadly mistaken.
Uhm, what? The 4G63T IS the better motor, PERIOD. 500 HP requires nothing but a turbo, supporting mods, and a good tune. That's it. No rods, no head work, no aftermarket pistons, nothing. Absolutely reliable. I understand having love for the cars you like, but saying the 1.8T is the better built motor, is like saying a boxer hits harder than a diesel truck does. Or like saying Fat Chicks can jump high.
Seriously, why is it so hard to admit that the 4G63 is the better motor out of the 4G63 and 1.8T lineup? As someone said above, the 1.8T isn't even in the same planet. You should be comparing the 2.7t's and the like. Some of you Audi guys are making posts that are just funny. Youtube being a lie? TC's considered a heavy duty mod. And best of all, the 1.8t being the better "built" motor. I love my 4G63 to death, but I'm not at all afraid to admit that there are other motors built better. Like the F20C. Pistons, rods, and crank that can handle 700 whp on the stock block? Hell yeah it's better. Now why is it so hard to admit that the iron blocked, forged crank, rod, and piston 4G63 is the better motor than the economic 1.8t? Some of you are just blind, and make for hilarious epic posts. By all means, keep it coming.
Oh and, The Blizz. I take offense to your post. I find my 1G to be incredibly sexy, thank you very much. I'm gonna get red to shove his shooter up your ass now!
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lol @ this post:
"They are Audi people. They're used to convincing themselves everynight that they don't drive a rebadged VW. They don't live in the world you or I do. "
I wonder if they know that porsches, lambos and bugattis are "rebadged" VWs.
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what's the difference? everyone is in the quest for 1100AWHP anyways right?
who gives a fuck. the 4G is an amazing motor out of the box. the 1.8t can be a worth motor with a bit of work into it.
i thought that's what we were all here for? to work and learn from our cars in the quest for more power...... you guys keep stroking your dicks. im going to go drive my car and enjoy myself
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im with you. Derek needs either to post up the rest of the build pics or he needs the banhammer for what he has done here
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lol.. Funny how you think that German cars with motors out of Evos is what makes the 'German scene'.
Like I said before, good luck to the person building this, but go try doing this to a car like the e39 M5 or C5 RS6 and see how much support you get.. It's not the German scene that's becoming a joke - just the B5's.
EHH. But who is talking about doing this in such rare cars? Especially The Rs6.
S4=7 k, those other two cars=20 +
Deb if you want to put a midget on crack under the hood, do you. Piss in the face of conventional thinking. A true car guy will apreciate the effort. The narrow minded person who knows everything they know about cars because someone told them, "This is how it is", is goingt to hate it and think you have defiled this perfect platform.
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