Byeeee Hattaaaa

[NYEuroTuner]

Thank you for the kind words, sir.

Love you too pookie.

[sean1.8t]

You just don't see that many high HP 1.8's. High HP 4g63s are a dime a dozen.

that's not because it isn't possible. it's just that more people with the money buy an Evo over an Audi.

fanboys.

[sean1.8t]

except vr6 would have been much better

what is your reasoning?

non opinion based reasoning please....

[Jake39454]

Don't get me wrong Derek, you know I love crazy stuff like this just as much as the next guy. You said some things about my beloved motor and I responded. Wish you much success with the project, but I need to defend my baby haha!

[Das General]

Damnit Jacob, quit being logical and debunking my reasonings.

[Jake39454]

Damnit Jacob, quit being logical and debunking my reasonings.

Good choice on the turbo, that is my choice as well for my 700whp build. I need to sell this 35R so I can step it up to the next level. I'm guessing I will have to run another 5-10psi to get the same numbers if you are keeping the revs under 9k and probably much more boost if you are revving it to the moon. Look forward to results sir

[Daft]

Honestly, it could be a really fun car. Audi's drivetrain and suspension design with the 4G63 power plant is a pretty cool match.

For those that are poo-pooing on the 4G63, you need to own one to appreciate the power they can make for very little money.

The fact of the matter is that the DSM body and drivetrain is junk. Trannies are like glass and the AWD system is completely obsolete.

Personally, I'd go with a 6-bolt 4G63 and bump up the pistons to a higher compression ratio. Out with the 7.8:1 and in with an 8.0:1.

[NogaroWonda00]

This is pure nasty-ness and I like it! Once you are postin videos of highway pulls with liter bikes everyone will suck your dick, so kindly tell the critics of AZ to f off!!

All this thread has done is make me really mad that I haven't touched my project still

GL!

[joe dub]

looks gnarly

[imola]

Why do Audi's (well, B5's mostly) get ravaged like this? This would probably never happen with cars like the e39 M5..

Oh well, good luck with the build.

[audi til I die]

Wow, OMG this is like THE MOST genius and breakthrough B5 evar!!!!



I don't really see how impressive it can be to drop in a motor with "mediocre numbers" (because 700hp is no big deal in the 4g63) in a different chassis just to be the top dog in #'s. Doesn't take a whole lot. Oh boy! I guess I'll drop in one of many LS7 twin-turbo's into a B5 to achieve 1500hp and make a thread saying "Watch out 4g63 B5, I'm coming to get ya"





Congragulations, you've accomplished.... nothing


EDIT: You know what, I won't edit my comment as I never take anything back, but I won't be complaining or bitching about someone else's work. If it works out for ya, great and congragulations. Not my style, but that's diversity

[Trigger Happy]

I really don't see anything wrong with this. I love cool projects and this seems like a cool project. Just don't let it stop you from finishing that single build you got going on, I'm looking forward to seeing results from that. Keep it up

[sean1.8t]

Wow, OMG this is like THE MOST genius and breakthrough B5 evar!!!!



I don't really see how impressive it can be to drop in a motor with "mediocre numbers" (because 700hp is no big deal in the 4g63) in a different chassis just to be the top dog in #'s. Doesn't take a whole lot. Oh boy! I guess I'll drop in one of many LS7 twin-turbo's into a B5 to achieve 1500hp and make a thread saying "Watch out 4g63 B5, I'm coming to get ya"





Congragulations, you've accomplished.... nothing

wow.

DOUCHE...... BAG!

[outsider6661]

#1 1.8T needs the following to be 600whp+ capable... Rods, exhaust valves, valve springs, AEB head, cams. That's it. Really not too expensive. Plus any cost from the swap including bellhousing adapter, custom clutch/flyhweel, ect makes the swap not effective from a cost standpoint to begin with...

#2 1.8T parts are readily available, not an issue there...

#3 You are running AEM, you can tune anything on AEM so the availability of tuning doesn't apply here

#4 You win, hands down. 1.8T's have a long stroke to begin with

Summary, 1.8T's are great little engines, very underrated and misunderstood...

^

Could not have said not have said it better myself !! Kool idea tho

[rouellettea4]

Wow, OMG this is like THE MOST genius and breakthrough B5 evar!!!!



I don't really see how impressive it can be to drop in a motor with "mediocre numbers" (because 700hp is no big deal in the 4g63) in a different chassis just to be the top dog in #'s. Doesn't take a whole lot. Oh boy! I guess I'll drop in one of many LS7 twin-turbo's into a B5 to achieve 1500hp and make a thread saying "Watch out 4g63 B5, I'm coming to get ya"





Congragulations, you've accomplished.... nothing


EDIT: You know what, I won't edit my comment as I never take anything back, but I won't be complaining or bitching about someone else's work. If it works out for ya, great and congragulations. Not my style, but that's diversity

Even your user name screams audi nutswinger. I can't wrap my head around why so many people in this thread are taking this swap as a personal offense, its a cool idea and the 4g63 is a great motor. Good luck with the swap and making this forum somewhat interesting, half the people bitching never seem to contribute anything interesting here anyways.

[Korben007]

Except the EVO motor is arguably much better than the 1.8, for a variety of reasons:

1) Cost
2) Availability of parts
3) Availability of tuning
4) Displacement

You don't see a whole lot of A4's making the power we are trying to make.

and dont forget number 5.
5)Its nearly perfect rod to stroke ratio!

[TravS4]

Kind of curious how this turns out... Good luck!

[Turbo Nerd]

Not a fan of EVO's at all. Don't know why you put it in a S when you could of did it in an A4, would of been alot cheaper for you. I don't really like the idea but I'm interested to see what happens. This makes me wanna buy an EVO and throw an S4 motor in there, and have Audi emblems on it (just talking out of my ass i'd never buy an EVO there booty).

[GURUMAN]

Put my Friend Marc-Andre's 1.8T in you car, and you got a 720 whp Audi ?

What is so hard to understand, It's been done for a while...

[GURUMAN]

When building a VW/Audi for power, the only par more costly than an EVO or Honda IMO is the 20 Valve head.

He even make all that power with is chipped ECU !

As for blocks, a DSM crank, Honda crank are not better than Ours...

The max bore is 83.5mm, the only part where I think we suffer a little compare to others.

We dont need to sleeve our blocks ( that kind of saving, invest in a good head porting job )


Really if I had listened to the Audi community for my car, I would still be a stage 3- and remove my passenger seat to try to go faster...

[revhards4]

hahaha this is a joke...4g63 in an Audi...total facepalm in my book! You can make anything make power when you got the resources, money and time. Just like Guru said...a 9 second Evo is gonna cost you the same as a 9 second S4.

[Das General]

Not a fan of EVO's at all. Don't know why you put it in a S when you could of did it in an A4, would of been alot cheaper for you. I don't really like the idea but I'm interested to see what happens. This makes me wanna buy an EVO and throw an S4 motor in there, and have Audi emblems on it (just talking out of my ass i'd never buy an EVO there booty).

Have you done the swap? How are you arguing cost?

Not to mention if you want to just be at the 500-600whp threshold, you can do it without touching the block. Try doing that with the 1.8T.

[GarbatyA4]

Put my Friend Marc-Andre's 1.8T in you car, and you got a 720 whp Audi ?

What is so hard to understand, It's been done for a while...

I've read about that build on GenerationDub.

Awesome car!

Anyways, I'd rather have the torque from a 6cylinder vs a 4banger

:)

[offroader1006]

3rd(-4th-5th or whichever we're on) the facepalm.

not offended with a DSM motor in a VAG, just the 4g63 fanboi motor is a waste.

i would say you are being original, but morons have been shoe-horning 4g's into kias and hyundais for years.

Why not do something cool like a 3.3l air cooled boxer motor?

[wdbdy2000s4]

I look forward to results in 2014.

[GarbatyA4]

I look forward to results in 2014.

bahahahahhaha

I believe a R36 Turbo swap would be the shiz!

Mitsu motor? wtf ?

[puz84]

I was a bit hesitant at first, even by being in the dsm community for years. But yet again I appreciate the charisma and hope you finish it, good luck and keep us posted.

[Das General]

I look forward to results in 2014.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Unfortunately most high-power, unique builds will take time to come to fruition. We have seen bolt on GT car take years to build.

[wdbdy2000s4]

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Unfortunately most high-power, unique builds will take time to come to fruition. We have seen bolt on GT car take years to build.

I'm just messing with you. It's nice to see something different. IDC if it has a honda motor and big turbo, if it puts down power and doesn't blow up every 2 minutes then good job. I'm all for unique motor swaps, that shit's way cooler then a k04 car.

[BENI_BOY]

like's this

[shorterthanrich]

Cars are for fun.

Have fun.

[NYCVR6]

I like...

[lowandslow4now]

Good luck with the build. I like when there is good friendly competition on the forums. It keeps things exciting and it paves the way for other ideas. It raises the bar for everyone and only leads to more innovation in the community. I don't care what motor you put in, it will lead to people being more idealistic and creative.

[eskimopunk]

Well that doesn't make them better though...

4g63 have been in tuner friendly/high volume cars for over 20 years. 1.8T's have been in complicated ecu/higher priced/lower volume cars for half of that. Regardless, the quote above doesn't mean much, you don't see dime a dozen 700whp 2JZ's either but it's a great motor still.

I've only met two people with supra's in this town... Both are above 700whp

Interesting build.

[JackalS4]

Sick man.

Best of luck on the project.

[Four Play]

When building a VW/Audi for power, the only par more costly than an EVO or Honda IMO is the 20 Valve head.

Are you serious? You don't have nearly as many tuners for VW/Audi as you do for the DSM/EVO/Honda crowd so that's why you see the ridiculous prices on everything for these cars. More tuners competing=lower prices...

We dont need to sleeve our blocks ( that kind of saving, invest in a good head porting job )

The 4G63 is an iron block, only the Honda your referring to needs sleeves. And the head on the 4G63 flow PLENTY to support big power, no porting necessary.

Wow, OMG this is like THE MOST genius and breakthrough B5 evar!!!!



I don't really see how impressive it can be to drop in a motor with "mediocre numbers" (because 700hp is no big deal in the 4g63) in a different chassis just to be the top dog in #'s. Doesn't take a whole lot. Oh boy! I guess I'll drop in one of many LS7 twin-turbo's into a B5 to achieve 1500hp and make a thread saying "Watch out 4g63 B5, I'm coming to get ya"

Congragulations, you've accomplished.... nothing

EDIT: You know what, I won't edit my comment as I never take anything back, but I won't be complaining or bitching about someone else's work. If it works out for ya, great and congragulations. Not my style, but that's diversity

Where the hell did this come from? Hate much?

The fact of the matter is that the DSM body and drivetrain is junk. Trannies are like glass and the AWD system is completely obsolete.

My 185k mile body seems to be doing pretty well, the synchros are pretty worn, but other than that my trans is fine. And just like so many WRX owners, if you abuse your trans it WILL break and then it gets a rep as a weak transmission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMz8RlCmh0g

That car has made over 1000whp and ran numerous passes with no drive train issues, yet all he has for trans work is a stock rebuild with double synchro 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Stock T-Case, stock rear diff and stock axles as well. And for head work, it's just cams/springs/retainers.

Now saying all of that, I would never put a 4G63 in an Audi, just like I would never have put a LS1 in my Mustang. But I do love being original, and I can't wait to see what this car will do...

[GURUMAN]

Are you serious? You don't have nearly as many tuners for VW/Audi as you do for the DSM/EVO/Honda crowd so that's why you see the ridiculous prices on everything for these cars. More tuners competing=lower prices...



The 4G63 is an iron block, only the Honda your referring to needs sleeves. And the head on the 4G63 flow PLENTY to support big power, no porting necessary.




Where the hell did this come from? Hate much?



My 185k mile body seems to be doing pretty well, the synchros are pretty worn, but other than that my trans is fine. And just like so many WRX owners, if you abuse your trans it WILL break and then it gets a rep as a weak transmission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMz8RlCmh0g

That car has made over 1000whp and ran numerous passes with no drive train issues, yet all he has for trans work is a stock rebuild with double synchro 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Stock T-Case, stock rear diff and stock axles as well. And for head work, it's just cams/springs/retainers.

Now saying all of that, I would never put a 4G63 in an Audi, just like I would never have put a LS1 in my Mustang. But I do love being original, and I can't wait to see what this car will do...

Sorry if you feel offended, I speak from my local experience...

A 9 sec street evo with Bolt-ons, I've never encoutered that.

I'm just trying to say that Evo's are better maybe to get in the 11's with stock Bolt ons...

But to get all the awd cars in the 9's, sorry but it costs as mush in every camp...

A DSM, HONDA or a VW are as equally tunable when evenly compared.
chip to chip / standalone to standalone

Pistons and rod are manufactured by the same companies....!!!!

Clutch are manufactured BY the SAME companies... (twin disc) for big boys

What is so hard to understand

Dsm dont achieve 700 whp with bolt ons, it needs machining and engine work. but 450 whp is an other story...

I guess some of you guys will never realized that part in staying stage 2 and 3...

[AwdOwns]

Guruturd needs to stick to spending money. Dynofalsh makes the same power in a daily driven street car that your friend is making in his fully built drage car. Face the facts 4G63>1.8T

And this is just one of a ton of companys that do this. Wheres all the high hp 1.8Ts? PUmp gas 700whp? Yeah you were saying?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dynoflas...14/SJS2gIpHNck
698whp pump/meth:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Dynoflas...33/PIRuqCK4qtg
625whp pump gas:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Dynoflas...53/FRdjjyuUByc
723whp on PUMP GAS w/ meth:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Dynoflas...78/JZUHAGKDsHI
Or you can go big 1181whp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bmX5vx01Q4
http://www.youtube.com/user/ifarted2#p/u/6/rMTo_y6Yihk

[AwdOwns]

Sorry if you feel offended, I speak from my local experience...

A 9 sec street evo with Bolt-ons, I've never encoutered that.

Have you looked? Or do you just speak from your "Local" experience?
Daily driven STREET EVO 9.65 @161mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZx32APqUXM

And you ran 10 what on a built ass engine w/ big turbos?

Here the top Evo's right now:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/drag-ra...evos-list.html

[Four Play]

Sorry if you feel offended, I speak from my local experience...

A 9 sec street evo with Bolt-ons, I've never encoutered that.

I'm just trying to say that Evo's are better maybe to get in the 11's with stock Bolt ons...

But to get all the awd cars in the 9's, sorry but it costs as mush in every camp...

A DSM, HONDA or a VW are as equally tunable when evenly compared.
chip to chip / standalone to standalone

Pistons and rod are manufactured by the same companies....!!!!

Clutch are manufactured BY the SAME companies... (twin disc) for big boys

What is so hard to understand

Dsm dont achieve 700 whp with bolt ons, it needs machining and engine work. but 450 whp is an other story...

I guess some of you guys will never realized that part in staying stage 2 and 3...

I didn't mean to, just annoyed at people like Audi till I die, but nothing you said was offensive to me.

A 9 second street EVO with bolt-ons is nothing I've ever seen before either. But yes they are much better equipped because of the engine they have and the rather large turbocharger they have stock. Hell even the stock DSM turbocharger(14B) is getting cars into the 11s nowadays.

But I do disagree with your statement about getting an AWD vehicle into the 9's. I'm not saying it's easy by any means, but getting an A4 into the 9's has yet to be done as far as I know, yet there are so many DSM/Evo vehicles there you can't keep track. Tuning, which is pretty much the most important thing when trying to go fast is a hell of a lot cheaper with them with programs like Link(which I run on my Talon) and ECUFlash(had on my WRX) Unfortunately my Talon can't be flashed like an Evo, but a used Tactrix cable which I picked up for $125 shipped and ECUFlash which was free, and you have what you need to tune on the EVO/Subaru platforms. My DSM was a bit more expensive as Link is in the $600 range, but for these prices you can't get anything comparable in the VW/Audi world, your mostly confined to OTS maps for a handful of turbochargers from even fewer tuners.

That Talon that I posted about has such a ridiculously simple setup it's almost hard to believe it will run 8's at over 160mph. There is nothing exotic or custom about his setup, just an extremely well thought out car that is running very fast.

I know what your saying about when evenly compared, but to me it doesn't really matter when have so many VW/Audi vehicles struggling to run serious times and yet there so many fast DSM/Evo vehicles that it is pretty much commonplace.

Sorry for all the off-topic nonsense