EPL Stage 3+ B5 S4 Vs. VF Engineering B7 RS4

[APBS4]

dude you have to chill out. this isnt a "look my b5 is faster" thread. this was just a fun "lets see what the BETA tune will do". stop being a 15 year old ricer. i would take the RS4 over my avant any day. its all personal opinions.

in no way was i saying the the b5 is the end all. i merely corrected the facts that were misrepresented.

[Kowitz]

Wow, both cars are incredible.

How much did this setup on the avant cost?

[gearhead1186]

lets not move that argument into this thread..

[puz84]

bingo! i am in the other thread and they are all neg repping me because i am posting up facts and debunking their myths.

i just pictured an innocent face about to cry for getting negative reps....lol, that shit just cracked me up!

+1 rep for being yourself, :).

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vid was veryyyy nice. You just got to fall in love with the exhaust sound of the rs4's!

[ThirdStrike]

I was recording...

is your car broken??


I'm reserving my opinion (on this) along with Ben.. no need to argue. we all wish we had a blown v8 in a wide body B7.

[mrpeterparker]

we do?

if we want to be wishful .. i'd rather have a v12 tdi r8

[Silence]

is your car broken??


I'm reserving my opinion (on this) along with Ben.. no need to argue. we all wish we had a blown v8 in a wide body B7.

Uhh...no. It's not your car.

I didn't have it, since Tyson had picked me up earlier to take me for a spin, and we never went back to my house.

[mpower1]

So what? In the end you'll still be driving a completely impractical, high-hp, light weight rwd car. If anything, that would be a track car or a 2nd or even 3rd vehicle.

RS4 ftw

B5 ftmfw

OK sorry guys didn't mean to step on your german car toes!! I was not trying to say one is bettter than the other.Even if it is a redneck american car,it'll still bust an rs4's ass any day of the week(stock)!! ha ha ha ha

[wdbdy2000s4]

inb4thisthreadisruindbydouchbags!

good runs. the RS4 did better than i expected

haha. the most acurate post thus far.

[1FastS4.Com]

is your car broken??


I'm reserving my opinion (on this) along with Ben.. no need to argue. we all wish we had a blown v8 in a wide body B7.

Whenever your ready let's run. Just have to find a camera person

[AAAA]

sure there may be technically speaking.....but like I said, not from what I have seen with my own eyes.

then you haven't been in a proper running rs6 car. I have one, so I'm stating the facts

[EvilllEmpirE]

then you haven't been in a proper running rs6 car. I have one, so I'm stating the facts

lol.....u sure about that? lets put it this way....I have not been pulled on by any full RS6 nor K04/RS6 hybrid car. If anything....comparing optimal running cars, an RS6 car will only be slightly more powerful (say 15-20 whp) than a K04 car, and will only catch up/slowly pass after 150 MPH. In a say 30-160 MPH run, a K04 car will spool and have the jump....will lead till 150, where it may be passed but not by much. I would know........

[gearhead1186]

lol.....u sure about that? lets put it this way....I have not been pulled on by any full RS6 nor K04/RS6 hybrid car. If anything....comparing optimal running cars, an RS6 car will only be slightly more powerful (say 15-20 whp) than a K04 car, and will only catch up/slowly pass after 150 MPH. In a say 30-160 MPH run, a K04 car will spool and have the jump....will lead till 150, where it may be passed but not by much. I would know........

if both cars are in optimal condition, the rs6 car will have a much bigger advantage than 15-20 peak hp ... more like 40-60whp. People wouldnt spend an extra grand for 15-20 whp..

[PinoyS4]

I have been having thoughts of selling my S. when i see vids like this i feel like ordering turbos and holding on to it.
great video

ditto

[AAAA]

lol.....u sure about that? lets put it this way....I have not been pulled on by any full RS6 nor K04/RS6 hybrid car. If anything....comparing optimal running cars, an RS6 car will only be slightly more powerful (say 15-20 whp) than a K04 car, and will only catch up/slowly pass after 150 MPH. In a say 30-160 MPH run, a K04 car will spool and have the jump....will lead till 150, where it may be passed but not by much. I would know........

ok, i have 2 scenarios for you:

1. On my base tune, I raced a very well-known strong k04 car on marc's race tuning running water meth, I pulled about 2 cars on him from 3rd to mid 4th

2. On my 4th revision on water meth, my car was fucking up all kinds of ways, and I raced a 380whp k04 car with open dumps and wad dead even in 3rd (kept missing 4th).

Like I said, if its running right, rs6 car is significantly faster, way more than 15-20whp. A strong k04 car hits 400whp, a mild rs6 car hits about 450whp, and doesn't spike but 2-300rpm later

[csre9]

ok, i have 2 scenarios for you:

1. On my base tune, I raced a very well-known strong k04 car on marc's race tuning running water meth, I pulled about 2 cars on him from 3rd to mid 4th

2. On my 4th revision on water meth, my car was fucking up all kinds of ways, and I raced a 380whp k04 car with open dumps and wad dead even in 3rd (kept missing 4th).

Like I said, if its running right, rs6 car is significantly faster, way more than 15-20whp. A strong k04 car hits 400whp, a mild rs6 car hits about 450whp, and doesn't spike but 2-300rpm later

Yeah, I was in the passenger seat of sdohertyjhm when we were down at h2o, I know your car wasnt running right, but the look on your face and your boys were priceless haha, Sean's car is pretty quick and you put 1 car tops on him...Evilempire knows his stuff...hell come get you like he got the BAT A4

[APBS4]

i seen jackson put lengths on well running rs6 cars.

[AAAA]

hey i'm down anytime. and it sounds like he has a strong stage 3, but he's talking like that's the norm vs rs6 and its just not. you get a strong running rs6 car that's 475-500whp, i don't care who's driving what stage 3, k04s simply won't compare

[sean1.8t]

hey i'm down anytime. and it sounds like he has a strong stage 3, but he's talking like that's the norm vs rs6 and its just not. you get a strong running rs6 car that's 475-500whp, i don't care who's driving what stage 3, k04s simply won't compare

Jackson's car is probably the strongest K04 car on here other than jbquick's car. for obvious reasons. don't be so cocky. but i can't wait to see the vid if it does happen

[sean1.8t]

Yeah, I was in the passenger seat of sdohertyjhm when we were down at h2o, I know your car wasnt running right, but the look on your face and your boys were priceless haha, Sean's car is pretty quick and you put 1 car tops on him...Evilempire knows his stuff...hell come get you like he got the BAT A4

that wasn't a BAT car for the last time.

it was a BT car. he had a built 2.0l with a stock head and a small turbo on it. he was just a douche, and not a true representation of the A4 BAT comunity

[SpoolPastYou]

we do?

if we want to be wishful .. i'd rather have a v12 tdi r8

amen

[Evilevo]

In for the race between AAAA and EvillEmpire.

2 Noggys racing FTW!!!

[NogaroWonda00]

Im sorry but im going to have to say that EvilEmpire sounds like hes full of it a bit, no offense, here is my car that currently runs a 3.4x fats at altitude with rs6s vs 997s, which ive been told are "better" than rs6s.. both cars tuned by tony and on pump gas, mine did have meth but at that time it was running no.4 nozzles and they were not doing much to say the least, if i am correct the intake temps werent even below ambient when this video took place. and the camera car had a fresh n75 and maf, so at this point id say its a strong running car.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/s...s4s_711473.htm

[blackbenzz]

I've seen AAAA's car run a strong stage 3 on meth, I was actually the passenger in the K04 car. He did pull. I also saw the k04 car with open dumps run AAAA's car and it was pretty close with his car not running optimally. If this noggy race ever happens I gotta see it! Come to MIR Dec. 5th! I wanna see how my ricer hooptie does too lol

Whenever your ready let's run. Just have to find a camera person

If you want some pointers on how to possibly make your car faster send me a pm. I have a bit of experience with blown german V8s Sick car btw How much boost are you running and what compression ratio?

[Haenszel20v]

o dip!

[wdbdy2000s4]

Im sorry but im going to have to say that EvilEmpire sounds like hes full of it a bit, no offense, here is my car that currently runs a 3.4x fats at altitude with rs6s vs 997s, which ive been told are "better" than rs6s.. both cars tuned by tony and on pump gas, mine did have meth but at that time it was running no.4 nozzles and they were not doing much to say the least, if i am correct the intake temps werent even below ambient when this video took place. and the camera car had a fresh n75 and maf, so at this point id say its a strong running car.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/s...s4s_711473.htm

Jackson knows what's up. Search youtube for the videos.

[NogaroWonda00]

Jackson knows what's up. Search youtube for the videos.

im not claiming he doesnt know what's up. I am simply saying that people put rs6's on an s4 for a reason... I think its silly how you guys try and compare it and justify what ever it is you care so much about, and at the end of the day one of the cars will claim something wasnt right or not running as strong.

who ever tuned EvilEmpire's car should tune a rs6 car with the same mods etc then the race would be legit and true. if i lived in your guys area id so be down! and if you can find a healthy k04 car in my area thats up to your standards ill show you there is a difference, i saw it at the track time and time again...

[wdbdy2000s4]

I think its silly how you guys try and compare it and justify what ever it is you care so much about, and at the end of the day one of the cars will claim something wasnt right or not running as strong.

I'm not sure what this even means or where it came from. "whatever it is [I] care soo much about"? I don't have k04s or rs6s so I don't care about either. I know RS6 cars will put down more power then a k04 car, since I have been in countless k04 cars(built some too) and more then 1 rs6 car. I was just saying he's not "full of it" because he has been around the audi tuning scene for a long time.

who ever tuned EvilEmpire's car should tune a rs6 car with the same mods etc then the race would be legit and true. if i lived in your guys area id so be down! and if you can find a healthy k04 car in my area thats up to your standards ill show you there is a difference, i saw it at the track time and time again...

Jackson runs an OTS GIAC file with an MBC and lemi tweaks. I believe he's spiking 22 or 24 PSI.

[seadoo4563]

I'm not sure what this even means or where it came from. "whatever it is [I] care soo much about"? I don't have k04s or rs6s so I don't care about either. I know RS6 cars will put down more power then a k04 car, since I have been in countless k04 cars(built some too) and more then 1 rs6 car. I was just saying he's not "full of it" because he has been around the audi tuning scene for a long time.


Jackson runs an OTS GIAC file with an MBC and lemi tweaks. I believe he's spiking 22 or 24 PSI.

you dont say flacco

[TweetsS4Estate]

lol.....u sure about that? lets put it this way....I have not been pulled on by any full RS6 nor K04/RS6 hybrid car. If anything....comparing optimal running cars, an RS6 car will only be slightly more powerful (say 15-20 whp) than a K04 car, and will only catch up/slowly pass after 150 MPH. In a say 30-160 MPH run, a K04 car will spool and have the jump....will lead till 150, where it may be passed but not by much. I would know........

I've asked to meet up with you and race but you have yet to contact me to oblige. Your confidence carries weight from how many RS6 cars you have raced? My car will be out of winter storage this April feel free to contact me, I will bring a few friends for video taping and such. I'm from Detroit, let me know what city works best for you so we can meet half way. If you are so confident in your K04 car we could make it interesting with cash, if that doesn't interest you then lets do it for pride . So let me know what you think via P.M or this post.

[Audi S4 Turbo]

Back to the Rs4... If you guy ever come to SD, I would love to do some friendly runs! I'm PJ K04, and would love to see how it would compare! Nothing serious, come to SD!

[TweetsS4Estate]

I really like the RS4 in the Video, beautiful car and an exciting run. I can't wait to see how it turns out when the supercharger is tweaked a bit. (higher boost, better heat exchanger.. etc.

[diabolical1]

i'd gladly own either car. i don't think i expected the results to be different.

[EvilllEmpirE]

I've asked to meet up with you and race but you have yet to contact me to oblige. Your confidence carries weight from how many RS6 cars you have raced? My car will be out of winter storage this April feel free to contact me, I will bring a few friends for video taping and such. I'm from Detroit, let me know what city works best for you so we can meet half way. If you are so confident in your K04 car we could make it interesting with cash, if that doesn't interest you then lets do it for pride . So let me know what you think via P.M or this post.

my confidence is based on running at least 4 different RS6 cars.....therefore my observations of them up to this point.

You are asking to meet up with me to do some runs and you are out in Detroit? Unfortunately I have no interest of driving few hundred miles to run a car. However, if you should ever roadtrip into New Jersey next Spring/Summer.....I would be game. And though I am retired from "street racing" if one would say.....EvilEmpirE will have to come out of retirement for one more occasion lol

So........just let me know when you'll be in town. I look forward to our meeting

[Haenszel20v]

And though I am retired from "street racing" if one would say.....EvilEmpirE will have to come out of retirement for one more occasion

Wow, you're making him come out of retirement.

Holy crap this is srs bsns!

[sdoherty_tjm]

ok, i have 2 scenarios for you:

1. On my base tune, I raced a very well-known strong k04 car on marc's race tuning running water meth, I pulled about 2 cars on him from 3rd to mid 4th

2. On my 4th revision on water meth, my car was fucking up all kinds of ways, and I raced a 380whp k04 car with open dumps and wad dead even in 3rd (kept missing 4th).

Like I said, if its running right, rs6 car is significantly faster, way more than 15-20whp. A strong k04 car hits 400whp, a mild rs6 car hits about 450whp, and doesn't spike but 2-300rpm later

you left one car out. full weight+extra, no dumps, k04's, pump, and stock boost control. 25-115 you pulled 1-1.5 cars....and if i remember. you didnt believe that i had k04's, asked who built my car.

just saying. i'm siding with evilempire on this one.

[TweetsS4Estate]

my confidence is based on running at least 4 different RS6 cars.....therefore my observations of them up to this point.

You are asking to meet up with me to do some runs and you are out in Detroit? Unfortunately I have no interest of driving few hundred miles to run a car. However, if you should ever roadtrip into New Jersey next Spring/Summer.....I would be game. And though I am retired from "street racing" if one would say.....EvilEmpirE will have to come out of retirement for one more occasion lol

So........just let me know when you'll be in town. I look forward to our meeting

I was actually wanting to meet half way sometime, I try to be fair and understanding. But...
I do have some friends in Northern Jersey, and I actually am planning on coming out there this summer to scope out some Apartments in NYC. So, I guess this will need to be continued later. . I personally have raced and logged multiple K04 cars. The stage 3 kits were from different companies and none of them have been within 3 or 4 cars of my car from a third gear pull. The only time it was close with one was when I had two pistons on their way out. and two stuck injectors. The tune was pulling 15 deg of timing and i was only pushing 20psi. I am excited to meet up with you this summer. My friends are from North haledon, NJ. I'll keep you posted and we can make this a fun event. . Have you ever thrown your car up on dyno?

[TweetsS4Estate]

By the way evil, do you guys carry Forum? I'd be game to gamble for a new snowboard haha!

[Low Flyer]

By the way evil, do you guys carry Forum? I'd be game to gamble for a new snowboard haha!

Wow now it's serious.......I want to see this!!!

[AAAA]

you left one car out. full weight+extra, no dumps, k04's, pump, and stock boost control. 25-115 you pulled 1-1.5 cars....and if i remember. you didnt believe that i had k04's, asked who built my car.

just saying. i'm siding with evilempire on this one.

are you serious? we ran on a merging lane into a 2 lane bridge, started at 3600 in 2nd where i had lag and you didn't, and we got to MAYBE 3/4 of 3rd. that's 25-115? and that was the same weekend i ran the k04 car with open dumps i spoke of, where i said the car was running all kinds of fucked up. running right and in a non-dangerous-one of us goes into the water scenario from 4k in any gear, it would be a different outcome