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    LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

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    I am so mad they made LED tail lights standard for 2010 models..
    Do you think it will work on 2009 models if I put them on?
    did anyone try it yet? or any after market led tail lights?

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    There are a lot of threads about this... basically it boils down to buying the tail lights and a 'dongle' here:
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    that's a lot of money for led taillights... are they really that desirable...

    and by "standard for 2010 models" does this mean for every trim too (Premium, PP, Pres.)
    so basically any 2010 a4 will have LED taillights?

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    wow they want $1,045 when the dealer around my way wants a lil over $600 for both sides.

    and not to mention you have to buy the dongle for like $300 or so.?
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by NPuter View Post
    that's a lot of money for led taillights... are they really that desirable...

    and by "standard for 2010 models" does this mean for every trim too (Premium, PP, Pres.)
    so basically any 2010 a4 will have LED taillights?
    Prem+ and above only

    Quote Originally Posted by 1_clean_Audi View Post
    wow they want $1,045 when the dealer around my way wants a lil over $600 for both sides.

    and not to mention you have to buy the dongle for like $300 or so.?
    I guess you could buy just the dongle from them, yeah. I think there's also something that needs to be done in VAG COM to make sure no error codes are thrown.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    I asked the dealer, and they said LED requires different voltage, so it's impossible for 2009 models to install, is that what dongle is for?
    and the website says all of those are not suitable for USA models...
    I REALLY want LED lights!! lol..

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by NPuter View Post
    that's a lot of money for led taillights... are they really that desirable...

    and by "standard for 2010 models" does this mean for every trim too (Premium, PP, Pres.)
    so basically any 2010 a4 will have LED taillights?
    Meh. They're nice, but not That nice. I'm waiting until they changed it again, and if the new-er look is smoother, I may change it then.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by seebinetpqls View Post
    I asked the dealer, and they said LED requires different voltage, so it's impossible for 2009 models to install, is that what dongle is for?
    and the website says all of those are not suitable for USA models...
    I REALLY want LED lights!! lol..
    i think they said that cause tehy dont have the ability to do it.

    some one said to have a vagcom near by since you might get error codes>? more info on these?
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by seebinetpqls View Post
    I am so mad they made LED tail lights standard for 2010 models.
    You mean you're mad that they didn't have them standard on 2009 models.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_T View Post
    Meh. They're nice, but not That nice.
    exactly. My friend's shitbox 2005 Infiniti has LED rear lights. BFD!

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by sakimano View Post
    exactly. My friend's shitbox 2005 Infiniti has LED rear lights. BFD!
    lol.... I wouldn't say infiniti's are shitboxes...

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by NPuter View Post
    lol.... I wouldn't say infiniti's are shitboxes...
    I test drove one in '03 and it seemed like a decent car but I couldn't get comfortable in the seat no matter what I tried. I was in the parking lot for 30 minutes trying to find the right position and it was impossible.....I'm glad I passed....my brother had an 06 G35 and it was a POS!!!.....that thing was constantly in the shop for various issues.
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    ^ I still stare when I see a G35 or G37.
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    I'm just waiting for a 2010'r to get Euro tail lights with the chrome inside and then I'll buy their stock LED's for cheap
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by audi til I die View Post
    I'm just waiting for a 2010'r to get Euro tail lights with the chrome inside and then I'll buy their stock LED's for cheap
    that sounds disgusiting.

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    It's too bad that guy uses PatrickBateman as a nickname. American Psycho is one of the best movies of all time. OF ALL TIME.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_T View Post
    It's too bad that guy uses PatrickBateman as a nickname. American Psycho is one of the best movies of all time. OF ALL TIME.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by seebinetpqls View Post
    I am so mad they made LED tail lights standard for 2010 models..
    Do you think it will work on 2009 models if I put them on?
    did anyone try it yet? or any after market led tail lights?

    Not standard for 2010 avants though from what I read.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    First, I wanted LED taillights, but then when I saw few I changed my mind. I sincerely think that no-led tail lights look better. LEDs are safer and all, more modern but I would like to put lights like on 2009 A3 (like neons), how is that called?

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    Exactly. That's what I meant by smoother. Instead of blinding people with direct naked ultra-bright LEDs, I want them to channel it through some optics and make elegant shapes out of it. Look at the new BMWs. The 5 and the new 7 are prime examples of how awesomely this can be done.

    The shape of the car is up for debate, but the light design is amazing. Those long lines actually glow brightly, but uniformly. I saw one on the hwy tonight, gorgeous.



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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by UmIsThisThingOn View Post
    There are a lot of threads about this... basically it boils down to buying the tail lights and a 'dongle' here:
    http://www.kufatec.de/shop/index.php...8K.html/page/4
    It doesn't work for US spec cars.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Audi Dealers sell the LED tail lights, its about $1000,
    what I am worried about is that dealers said it's not going to work on 2009 models.. because of the voltage,
    I still want to try them on, but all parts are not refundable so I dont wanna buy them until I know it works
    so if anyone who has 2010 models do not want LED tail lights and live in LA
    want to trade with my tail lights?
    or is anyone willing to let me try them on to see if it works??

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    I have a feeling it will most likely work. The Dealers CAN'T say it's easily do-able cause then nobody will upgrade to the 2010s. Electricity can be easily manipulated. The engine, battery and alternator in the 2010s can't be that different from the 2009. It's just a matter of a small adjustment or mod.
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Issue is the Kufatec parts don't work on US cars. It will not program the BCM2 module, which controls the taillights, properly. I gather it programs once and if the car is restarted it reverts to old programming.

    The issue is getting the BCM2 module in the back to properly control LED taillights. Not to mention that if you change or program the unit differently it can cause issues when you go in for service. These new cars are hooked to a diagnostic system which runs through every controller in the car to search for updates, update modules as well as it noticing if anything has been changed. A database of what modules are installed in the car from the factory exists and the entry for your car is compared to the original build specs. The specs can be changed using the SVM function on the VAS system, but it's a hassle from what I gather.

    Only option I see is changing to a later BCM2 module or using a European unit and then using the Kufatec harness/dongle to program. It is an expensive procedure and goes well beyond the scope of just buying the taillights. A harness is needed, it is a must, then possibly a BCM2 module and dongle for programming, issue is that I believe the dongle will only program modules that have the wrong keyless entry frequency for US use.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex@Europrice View Post
    Issue is the Kufatec parts don't work on US cars. It will not program the BCM2 module, which controls the taillights, properly. I gather it programs once and if the car is restarted it reverts to old programming.

    The issue is getting the BCM2 module in the back to properly control LED taillights. Not to mention that if you change or program the unit differently it can cause issues when you go in for service. These new cars are hooked to a diagnostic system which runs through every controller in the car to search for updates, update modules as well as it noticing if anything has been changed. A database of what modules are installed in the car from the factory exists and the entry for your car is compared to the original build specs. The specs can be changed using the SVM function on the VAS system, but it's a hassle from what I gather.

    Only option I see is changing to a later BCM2 module or using a European unit and then using the Kufatec harness/dongle to program. It is an expensive procedure and goes well beyond the scope of just buying the taillights. A harness is needed, it is a must, then possibly a BCM2 module and dongle for programming, issue is that I believe the dongle will only program modules that have the wrong keyless entry frequency for US use.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    I know that ther is one thread in vwaudiforum.co.uk that specifies how to add resistors for controler not to report errors and that LED tail lights function properly. You dont need any dongle to recode controller. And I think it is possible but I'm from Europe so... here you are.

    http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/s...ad.php?t=42532

    I think there is complete DIY.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by DobarDabar View Post
    I know that ther is one thread in vwaudiforum.co.uk that specifies how to add resistors for controler not to report errors and that LED tail lights function properly. You dont need any dongle to recode controller. And I think it is possible but I'm from Europe so... here you are.

    http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/s...ad.php?t=42532

    I think there is complete DIY.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    As I've told many customers you can make a harness with resistors to get rid of the bulb out warnings and then wire the lamps in a way that allows them to function properly without changing parameters in the BCM2 module. As mentioned as well, using a larger number of resistor could also create a heat problem. Just don't need to see anyone melting wiring or causing fires.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Maybe there are hope now

    Starting in week 50, Audi begin selling OEM retrofit kits here in Europe.

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    does the europe LED retrofit has foglamps on both sides?

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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by t0n13 View Post
    does the europe LED retrofit has foglamps on both sides?
    Yes, there are foglamps on both sides of the LED cluster.
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    I know for a fact that in Russia it is possible to retrofit led taillights for one hefty tag of 46000 rub, which is 1.5k US. Thats including OEM taillights and installation

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    I was right.

    I'm really hoping Audi brings these tails to the 2011 A4 under the same sheet metal. If they do, upgrade time.

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    bbc technic just completed the US retrofit on my 2009 S5, they did an incredible job and everything works OEM perfectly. There are no warning lights or problems what so ever, here are a few pics of the work.cheers



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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    And as mentioned on A5OC...

    US spec taillights for the A5/S5 are completely out stock and the A4/S4 units are in exceptionally low quantities in the US. I can source them within the US and out of Europe if anyone is attempting this install with BBC Technik, unfortunately I know nothing about their installation procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_T View Post
    I'm really hoping Audi brings these tails to the 2011 A4 under the same sheet metal. If they do, upgrade time.

    Doubt it. Expect it around 2012.5 or 2013 models when we get a facelift/new body style. Why change taillights when they could milk the LED's for what they got
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    To compete with BMW cause all their new LED tails are like that A8, only much better. Ours look crude compared to the 3D-ish wings those new bimmers have. I think I posted some pics above. I notice the same style in the new 5 and Z4 too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoconne View Post
    bbc technic just completed the US retrofit on my 2009 S5, they did an incredible job and everything works OEM perfectly. There are no warning lights or problems what so ever, here are a few pics of the work.cheers



    with turn signal on

    I thought the turn signals should be the the lower clear part of the rear lights. And the turn signal you showed is where the brake light should be. Or is that due to the car is a US spec?
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    Re: LED Taillights for 2009 Audi a4????

    Quote Originally Posted by awhk82 View Post
    I thought the turn signals should be the the lower clear part of the rear lights. And the turn signal you showed is where the brake light should be. Or is that due to the car is a US spec?
    A5/S5 LED taillights are like this. A4/S4 turn signals are at the lower clear part of the taillights. When the turn signal is on, the entire LED taillight as well as the lower clear part will blink. I wish there's a way to only have the lower part of the taillight to blink for turn signal.
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    Last time I saw an S4, the entire rear led segment blinke brighter for turn signal, but that's it.
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