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    So with my B5 A4 Quattro Sport, I proved the V8 does fit the B5 chassis, with minimal effort.

    Following the success of Outlaw's new V8 heart, I have the pleasure of doing another V8-into-B5 project. Oddly enough, it's another widebody, this time though, the project is different - it's the same AHC S8 32V motor as mine, but there the similarities end.

    It's a front track, it's retaining the original 5-speed 012 tranny, and it's going to maintain the OEM S8's Bosch Motronic ECU and harness, which means no MAP sensor, and it'll be running the standard MAF.

    The base car is a Ming Blue Pearl 1,8 T Sport. I spent the day prepping the bay for the larger block, removed the 1,8T motor. Mounts are already available for the V8 / B5 integration, it will also be running one of my flywheels, a single-mass 7,2kg unit. In my car, there is no chatter, even when loading the tranny from low speeds, in any gear.

    I'll keep you guys updated via the usual write-ups and pictures, stay tuned!

    Meanwhile, could a moderator please move this to the Projects section? Thanks!

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Nice to see that your tackling another V8 swap Sienna! But in a frontrack?? Why??

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by The*Fall*Guy View Post
    Nice to see that your tackling another V8 swap Sienna! But in a frontrack?? Why??
    It's the customer's choice. It's widebodied, so the cost of building another onto a quattro shell, especially the rear quarters makes it expensive.

    Worth noting though, the D2 A8 did come in front track, albeit as a 3,7L Sport.

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    whats he doing with the old turbo :)

    Good luck on the build. I was inspired but your other thread, thats for sure.
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    The Base car - B5 A4 1,8T Sport:






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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Stunning car! I understand now why he is doing this.. However.. I hope that a quattro conversion is in his future.. Phase2 perhaps..

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by The*Fall*Guy View Post
    Stunning car! I understand now why he is doing this.. However.. I hope that a quattro conversion is in his future.. Phase2 perhaps..
    and removal of the rs4 badge
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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    That RS4 conversion is f'ing sweet. A better swap would be a Quattro conversion and the choice of engine would def need to be FI. Not my car, so that was just my 2 pennies worth.

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    Side note: These are old pictures, before the current owner got his mitts on her. She looks very different now - no RS4 badges, now sporting 1-piece ecodes, and M3-style trunk lip.

    The teardown began today...

    Outgoing 1,8T engine:



    And so the teardown continued:















    Little boy 1,8T:



    Big bad boy S8 32V!





    Fancy kicking that big lump into the B5 bay?




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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Siena- any plans to do a kit for purchase with instructions so others can tap into this? I would love to get my hands on a B5 chasis and build myself one of these
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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Richard, kit is available - still refining the mounts, flywheels are ready, as well as the front engine support.

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    Nice! The rear fenders look really weird...
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    Rear quarters are Seidl Tuning GRP items.

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by Siena View Post
    It's the customer's choice. It's widebodied, so the cost of building another onto a quattro shell, especially the rear quarters makes it expensive.
    This makes no sense. He doesn't need a new car, just the manual parts. I would assume after spending the money on a project like this he could drop another $1k on a quattro drivetrain

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    what does an s8 engine go for?

    What kinda of power/1320 times would you expect in a quattro?

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by Clint@R.A.I. View Post
    This makes no sense. He doesn't need a new car, just the manual parts. I would assume after spending the money on a project like this he could drop another $1k on a quattro drivetrain
    One can never decide what makes sense, when the money comes from someone else's pocket.

    Buying the quattro drivetrain for $1k is one thing - how much would you quote a customer, to convert a B5 FWD to quattro?

    The extensive labor involved - cutting out the rear floor pan section, making jigs so the shell doesn't fold once the floor's cut out, welding in new section - including the inner rear arches, which are different between quattro and FWD, getting the shell aligned before seam welding and installing the mechanics.

    You're looking well over $3k for labor alone, this isn't a B6 / B7, where there's no such thing as a quattro shell - the bodyshell's common to both FWD and quattro, and FWD cars have the mounting points for quattro components.

    Anyone who says converting a B5 FWD to quattro is a simple bolt-on job, or quotes labor less than $2.5k, hasn't a clue what's involved, or hasn't examined a B5 FWD floorpan in any great detail.

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by slopoke View Post
    what does an s8 engine go for?

    What kinda of power/1320 times would you expect in a quattro?
    S8 engines range between £700 - £1,200.

    I don't get your second question bud.

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Whats the weight of a s8 motor compared to a 1.8t? Owners gonna need some wide tires for traction with this

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    Not sure what the weight differential is, between V8 and 1,8T. I do know it's lighter than a 30V V6, and a fair bit lighter than an S4 engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    whats he doing with the old turbo :)

    Good luck on the build. I was inspired but your other thread, thats for sure.
    Turbo's sold along with the engine.

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    is the floor really different? On the b6 everything is there

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    Its been done a fews times here already. Trans, rear end/subframe, drive shafts, fuel tank.
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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Quote Originally Posted by Clint@R.A.I. View Post
    is the floor really different? On the b6 everything is there
    B5 is different, a FWD B5 A4 is basically a passat.
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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Way different from the B6, the B5 rear suspension is completely different from the FWD to Quattro. Siena, looks like you are working quick! What is the estimated completion time?
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    Looking at 2 weeks.

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    Where are the vids of the first V8 B5?
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    i want that wide body!! nom nom nom
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    Quote Originally Posted by anmagro View Post
    Where are the vids of the first V8 B5?
    Only in-car videos. Cell phone cameras aren't any good at filming rolling shots, exposure speed and audio are crap.

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    yeah me too! Siena wanna come to FL to do one in mine?
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    What did we talk about projects Siena?
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    So jealous!
    How much does the conversion kit cost?

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    I'll be watching this thread.

    Good to see you working on another Siena

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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    Just got back after a long stint in the workshop.

    And discovered the mounts I had made for my own car don't line up with the I4 set-up.

    Not sure if it's due to the different subframe, the front engine support fits though. So Monday, will see if my guy can rework the existing ones, or I may need to supply him with new mock-ups based on the B5 4 cylinder.

    Some pictures though...

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    Upper oil pan section that needs to be ground off, else it fouls the subframe. I also shaved the thick webbing off, will take pictures of that later:



    Engine bolted to tranny temporarily:



    Front panel, showing area that needs to be cut out:



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    my hats off to you, this is incredible i only hope i can pick up one of your kits once they are done!

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    I can't wait to blow up my motor so I can try this.

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    PM sent
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    Re: V8 Into B5 II

    If an NA V8 fits, Do you think an RS6 V8 motor with the turbos would fit in a B5?

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