Sams auto GT(2560) project

[awtst3.a6]

2001 Audi a6 2.7TT – Automatic 5 Speed



I would first like to thank http://www.vastperformance.com/ for making this possible, and for all of the support they have given me throughout the ups and downs. Thank you Prince for always running your ass off, and getting everything together in such a short period of time. Thanks for dealing with me as well haha. You know it is bad when you call Vast and you get, "Sup Sam!", other than a hello? How may I help you? :).Everything looks amazing and I hope the install goes well. I would also like to thank Mike at Vast for the tuning. He has been an awesome guy to deal with and makes crazy maps for sure :) I hope we can get this GT file ripping before Waterfest aka 1 week.Hopefully I will get to meet this crew one day, because they are a great bunch of guys and know what I am about about… SPEEED!!! OVER HYPE!!! I would also like to thank my tech Jon. Thank you all for making this happen and I hope to back it up with some numbers :D

2001 Audi a6 2.7TT
Engine: Stock 2.7 – Rev Limit 7350rpms
Rods: Stock
Valve springs: Stock
Cams: rs4
Intake Manifold: Stock
Exhaust Manifold: Stock
Throttle Body: Port and polish ( By Vast )
Turbos: GT2560’s aka gt28r
-ARD inlets
Wastegates: Internal
MAF: going back to Bosch I believe in the future for high psi. 88mm right now Hitachi.
Injectors: #60
Fuel Pump: 255lph
Fuel Pressure Regulator: 3 bar
Intake: Custom rs4 box with k&n filter
ECU Tune: Custom Vast Performance
TCU Tune: Custom Vast Performance (Remap of the TCU race profile for the built trans, stall converter and to take the 7350 rev limit)
Transmission: Fully built, valve body, clutches ect. ect. ( www.517trans.com )
Stall converter: 3250-3500 stall
Intercooler(s): AWE (with custom cut shrouds)
Mounts: 034 snub mount/cage, stern engine mounts, stock tranny mounts
Exhaust: straight pipe to apr cats.
Fuel: 93 octane / meth



The build is going to be done today or tomorrow, if everything goes well. Only thing I will be waiting on is my TCU to show up tomorrow (Friday) or Sat. I have my baseline tune waiting on the server to be uploaded :D I should be able to give you guys some good detailed information once I get the car running. I know a lot of you are out there wondering if it really worth the money? Can it be done on a stock block? What is it going to spool like? ect.. I hope to have the answers to all of these questions VERY shortly. I am hoping this weekend on 9psi adleast :D

GT break-in file – 93octane/meth
-1.25 Bar of boost
-7350 rpm rev limit
-Methanol, ~25deg timing up top
-EGT sensors deleted
-rear o2 sensors deleted
-catalytics deleted
-Secondary air system deleted

Here are a few pics of the turbos, inlets and engine mounts. I will be uploading pics of the trans, engine ect later today as well. Also I would like to note that my tech removed my turbos/trans with out removing the engine. :D This is the second time I saw it done and thought some of you would be interested in that style.

ARD INLETS, STERN ENEGINE MOUNTS, and P/P TB





Front of Drivers side gt2560(gt28r)


Front side again



Side of GT



Hot Side


Audi a6 2.7T 2001 STOCK you could say I was pumped ;P



Thank you for all of the support and haters :D
I hope to have videos within a week!!

[Ragno]

Why since there as been a project and build section has everyone put there builds in here....

[veggiemonster]

Why since there as been a project and build section has everyone put there builds in here....

the mods dont trust our own judgement?

[wdbdy2000s4]

we can't post in the build forums. they have to move them...some projects (like my own) aren't worthy of that section so they stay here.

[S4_NE]

nice and good luck, the 517 trans is a great one, i am running it know in my stg 3 car and she takes a beating with out an issue,

[Ragno]

we can't post in the build forums. they have to move them...some projects (like my own) aren't worthy of that section so they stay here.

Damn Audizine pisses me off sometimes; what do they think were dumb?

Sorry to hijack ur thread BTW.. you build sounds Amazing, can't wait to see some videos...

[wdbdy2000s4]

everyone should be allowed a build thread, regardless of how useless it is to everyone else. That way they can post all their mods in 1 thread and people can see everything done to various cars, rather then users having a new thread for rims, chip, exhaust, shift knob, boost gauge, etc.

Back on topic. Good luck with the build Sam...Get that shit up to Waterfest!! We'll get videos of racing some stage 3s, possibly Rs6d s4, and HOPEFULLY guru. It will be a good camparison for everyone interested in those turbos! Can't wait for some results man.

[ThirdStrike]

60mm turbos + stock rods? really?
kind of pointless dont you think?

[awtst3.a6]

60mm turbos + stock rods? really?
kind of pointless dont you think?

Nope. Thanks and I knew ppl were going to say wrong forum :P

Thank you for the support! I should have pics of the built trans and some more of the car today. I am heading out to the shop to drop off everything :D Ohh... and I am 100% going to run stage 3 s4's, or for the ppl who think it is "pointless" :D. I would also like to run some other shit as well, I wouldn't mind getting mopped by Guru!


EDIT: down the road I am rebuilding the motor to a 2.8 or a 3.0 head with rods ect. My goal is 600-650awhp on the auto trans when I am done. For right now 500-550awhp, which should be EASY on like 18 lbs.

[ThirdStrike]

Nope.

ok so why not explain why you'd run 28Rs on stock rods? anything past 15psi and youre just driving on a prayer...

[awtst3.a6]

ok so why not explain why you'd run 28Rs on stock rods? anything past 15psi and youre just driving on a prayer...

Uhhhh? on 15 psi lol? more like 24-26 I would break it. EDIT: Also I plan on buying a used block to build :D... seems to be the best route.

[Sales@RAI]

Damn Audizine pisses me off sometimes; what do they think were dumb?

Sorry to hijack ur thread BTW.. you build sounds Amazing, can't wait to see some videos...

Its a generalization because there are some people on here that dont know what a project is, I've seen the b5 a4 project forum get cluttered with bs threads that have nothing to do with projects

[ThirdStrike]

Uhhhh? on 15 psi lol? more like 24-26 I would break it. EDIT: Also I plan on buying a used block to build :D... seems to be the best route.

wow. youre ahead of the pack.
run 28R's on stock rods and buy another short-block just in case instead of spending ~750-900 on some decent rods while the motor is out.. and im glad you figure 24 psi is the breaking point on stock rods with 60mm turbos. good luck

[AudiSportB5S4]

wow. youre ahead of the pack.
run 28R's on stock rods and buy another short-block just in case instead of spending ~750-900 on some decent rods while the motor is out.. and im glad you figure 24 psi is the breaking point on stock rods with 60mm turbos. good luck

VAST is tuning it,

you remember this right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWaJbb9Dx4

Piggies car on stock motor with 2860s

[blackbenzz]

Finally someone got smart and built an auto

[ThirdStrike]

VAST is tuning it,

you remember this right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWaJbb9Dx4

Piggies car on stock motor with 2860s

and i bet you think the pressure release chatter in that video sounds good too huh?

so is it a consensus that running stock rods with 28R's@20+ psi is safe now? lol

[RolledMySTi]

For right now 500-550awhp, which should be EASY on like 18 lbs.

That's an easy way to throw a rod through the block.

Do rods now,be done with it and enjoy the car.

[S4_NE]

Finally someone got smart and built an auto

there are a few of us running build 517 trans out there, i had mine build up to hold K04 power and beyound, with GT kits getting more resonable i may do this too if i run into the cash to do it,

[ThirdStrike]

That's an easy way to throw a rod through the block.

Do rods now,be done with it and enjoy the car.

what your crazy. it should hold 24 psi lol

[Ragno]

Its a generalization because there are some people on here that dont know what a project is, I've seen the b5 a4 project forum get cluttered with bs threads that have nothing to do with projects

Woudn't it then be easier to remove or move the miss posted threads... then not allow people to post their builds... It looks like right now you guys only let people with GT, Single turbo, or something unique motor wise... but how about a cosmetically driven project where the person is just doing minor changes that are only visual.. but still wants it all organized in one thread.

[wdbdy2000s4]

relax guys...I'm pretty sure Mike@VAST knows WAY more about tuning these cars than anyone on AZ and he will do his best to keep the rods from poking through the block. While the 28s aren't the ideal setup for a 2.7 by any means, he has made it quite clear he is going to do a full motor build including heads in the future. Should he just buy the 2554s for now and pick up the 28s when he builds the motor? NO! he is avoiding the need for new turbos in the future by getting bigger turbos now. Even on lower boost these things will be far better then his k03 setup.

...Everyone blew their loads when the ATP shit came out...so stop knocking the only guy willing to give them a shot. Now we can see how they will react on a stock block as well as a built motor when he goes that route in the future.

[wdbdy2000s4]

Woudn't it then be easier to remove or move the miss posted threads... then not allow people to post their builds... It looks like right now you guys only let people with GT, Single turbo, or something unique motor wise... but how about a cosmetically driven project where the person is just doing minor changes that are only visual.. but still wants it all organized in one thread.

...More then half the threads in there have been dead for 6 months plus.
lol

[AudiSportB5S4]

relax guys...I'm pretty sure Mike@VAST knows WAY more about tuning these cars than anyone on AZ

Exactly! I wouldn't worry.

Will be cool though, how many GT'd A6's are there? Not too many I believe right? Or is this the first?

[NYEuroTuner]

Uhhhh? on 15 psi lol? more like 24-26 I would break it. EDIT: Also I plan on buying a used block to build :D... seems to be the best route.

This project looks interesting, will be good to see an Auto 2.7tt ripp it up a bit. Best of luck with your project


Also, dont mean to Hijack the thread. But..

I have two long blocks for sale... Really cheap.


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...95#post3945095

[ThirdStrike]

relax guys...I'm pretty sure Mike@VAST knows WAY more about tuning these cars than anyone on AZ and he will do his best to keep the rods from poking through the block.

i agree.. just sayin do it right once ...
if i were paying someone to do work on my car id be in it for the long run.. a shortblock costs money that could be spent on rods. oh well, ima shutup now

[wdbdy2000s4]

^ I would do an entire motor build and a full GT kit as well. I'm not going to complain though because Sam is trying something new and giving us the results we could all expect on a stock block setup. This will give him an idea of how far he has to go with the motor build as well. If it's having trouble spooling then he may need to go 3.0 with some head work for a higher redline and faster spool, if it's spooling fine (like the Tials) then a set of rods and valve springs should do(like JohnnyBravo's old car).

[awtst3.a6]

Thank you widebody, I am trying to avoid buying another set of turbos even if I am running these on the stock block. I just don't have all of the cash to build the motor right now. Also my tech is a GREAT guy and pulled the turbos/trans without removing the whole motor. This takes WAY less time than pulling the whole motor. So I got a great quote for labor on my trans/turbo instal. He also told me if we end up rebuilding the head/bottom end he has no problem giving me a deal. :D I am also selling my company soon with my dad which I run.. i will have a good bit of money for sure to build my extra block. Sadly I just ran out of funds and rather have that extra money in my pocket for right now :). I know I will eat 1k later down the road in labor but it will be worth a fully built motor vs just rods. I am planning on going with a 3.0L fully built motor something like guru's in the future for sure. You guys have to remember this is a auto trans and can only hold so much power its self. Why i think the gt2560's were the right pick for my turbo application. They should also be the best turbos to spool/run on a stock block vs the gt2554. It just allows you to flow more boost which GURU ran out of on gt2554s. I have thought every angle through 100%.

SIDE NOTES:
ARD inlet design changed (within the last day or two?) ... We will need to custom flare the inlets to fit how we want. If you look at the site they provide a flare to go outside the inlet on the turbo. Also the inlets are about the size as the rs4 ko4 inlets if you guys were wondering. I found they are just lighter and thicker ways.

APT eliminator kit: YOU DO NOT!! get the 6 bolts needed to mount the exhaust manifold to the turbos. You will need these bolts. You can not use normal bolts. You will need the audi turbo bolts.

EDIT***

Mike at Vast ftw :)


I will try and keep little side notes of things I need to mod to make them fit. Audis :P

[awtst3.a6]

Here is the car on 18lbs 93octane + meth. The car wasn't even tuned for meth yet. When I got it tuned for meth.. I ended up blowing the ko4s a week or two after that before I could film it :(

BEFORE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyFIt70lVRs

Updated pics from the shop:

Fully built Trans: (only thing that looks different is the outside of the stall converter)





Car from the back:



JUNK IN THE TRUNK:



Car with engine still in it :D


Engine:



I am going to give my tech my camera so he can snap a few pictures throughout the instal as well. :D The car will be running on Monday since we didn't know we needed bolts when they say they supply everything. Let alone that I even called the tech support line.

[NYEuroTuner]

Niceeee

[awtst3.a6]

Thurs: We found out that we didn't have 6 of the bolts (from audi of course) for the exhaust manifold to mount onto the turbo. There was no hose provided from ATP or ard for the turbine to the inlet. We had to call Vast and get everything ASAP(nextday air ftw.)

Friday: Parts are in.

Soo the instal started today.. there were a few bumps along the way. For one, we had to re-route all of the coolant/oil lines for the turbos on each side. This only took an extra 30 mins to an hour to make sure everything was cleaned up (wiring wise). Once we did that we got a call from Vast!! We were told we can remove the EGT sensors as well as the secondary air pump system. We welded the EGTs to the exhaust manifold to fill the hole where they use to be . With removing what we have we need to weld up some aluminum to fill gaps where the secondary air pump system use to be (to warm up the cats.. I don't own any cats? ). This has given us a BUNCH more room to work in the back of the engine bay. Aswell get rid of all that worthless shit. It made it nice aswell because we had to mess with all of the coolants lines right in the back of the engine( remember the engine is still in it ). Other than the coolant and oil lines, we found out that we need the stock hose or longer samco hose that connect to each turbo. Although there were a few bumps for about an hour.. once we got through that we are ready to mount the turbos up Monday morning. The car should be up monday(85% chance) afternoon or tuesday at the lastest. I will hopefully have a video camera :). Pictures of the full instal will be provided by my tech for me Monday. I left my camera at the shop so I am unable to show you pics on what I am talking about. I am sorry and hopefully will have videos of 9psi and pics ASAP.

[jibberjive]

Can you post details about the issues with the coolant/oil lines?

[awtst3.a6]

Can you post details about the issues with the coolant/oil lines?

I will have my tech type up what he had to do, if he doesn't mind. It wasnt TO much of a bitch just held us up for a little. No problem though. I will touch base with my tech on Monday. I know we did have to make the coolants lines longer and are using some of the stock parts with the aftermarket ones to get it to fit.

The samco hose on the passenger side is about 2-3 inches short*. It needs to be 4-5inches long adleast to reach. We are going back to the stock hose we have to custom make haha

[awtst3.a6]

Some pics from the build :P ... The car is going to be up and running tomorrow morning if all goes well .

The Start



034 snub mount/cage



Secondary air system delete



Again...



Pass side turbo bolted in with out inlets



Close up



Not much room inbetween the exhaust mani and the turbo



Close up...



Pass side turbo with inlets in



Drivers side turbo fully in



Pass side turbo fully in



Both turbos





car from the bottom...



And again...



Hopefully I will have some vids tomorrow! We had to custom one of the I/Cs to work with the turbo (cut 4-6inches) and cut a little off the GT inlets/had to reflare.

[wdbdy2000s4]

get that shit done. 3 days.

[blackbenzz]

This thing is gonna come off the line hard! Auto FTW

[B5stgIII]

I'm pumped to see the final result. Keep up the good work man.

[S4FORCE1]

Can't wait for the vid!

[Don Supreme]

This thing is gonna come off the line hard! Auto FTW

Its not a supercharged monster v8 now.

[Don Supreme]

As per usual ATP style, these turbos are far from "Bolt On"....

Thanks for the blow by blow.

[wdbdy2000s4]

Its not a supercharged monster v8 now.

who has one of those. lol