Rich's -Free- Noggy Build Thread - RS6 -> GT2560 -> GTX2863

[MikeyB3]

Is it me, or does the inlet side of that turbo look gargantuan?

[shorterthanrich]

Is it me, or does the inlet side of that turbo look gargantuan?

It's pretty beefy, but its also an optical illusion. For one, its larger than normal because of the anti-surge compressor housing. Secondly, that Tial turbine housing has tiiiny external dimensions, since its stainless steel vs. cast iron. It's just a lot thinner, making it seem even smaller compared to the compressor housing. It's still a .60 a/r compressor housing for the 63mm wheel.

That said, the compressor housing IS for a 63mm wheel, so its not exactly small :-D. It should basically be a very similar size as 770s compressor cover, since they use a GT2860 compressor cover, if I'm not mistaken (which I may be)

[zdriver]

Soo sick! If you end up needing another set of hands give me a call

[AudiSportB5S4]

Sweet Rich!!!! Can't wait to see your reactions with the car on these turbos. I'm up in the air with what I want to do later on this year or next. Let me know if you need anything like a file flashed, logs, place to stay, whatever the hell. haha

[DarkSideGTI]

Is it me, or does the inlet side of that turbo look gargantuan?

Looks like 3" inlets to me compared to the downpipes.

[splatt]

Soo sick! If you end up needing another set of hands give me a call

+1

[shorterthanrich]

Looks like 3" inlets to me compared to the downpipes.

Correct! The turbo inlet is huge due to the ported shroud.

[wdbdy2000s4]

I plan to start pulling the motor during this upcoming week, and have it out by the weekend. I'll remove the old kit, clean up some oily things, and get this installed. Its not too much work, so I don't expect the car to be down for too long...

I plan on buying turbos wednesday. let's have an install race! I'll take Frankie, you get Dave. Loser buys Leo's and beer.

[shorterthanrich]

I plan on buying turbos wednesday. let's have an install race! I'll take Frankie, you get Dave. Loser buys Leo's and beer.

Haha oh no, I feel like I've been here before. Another race to the finish.

That said, no matter who has to buy the Leo's and beer, we all win. You're on!

[shorterthanrich]

Sweet Rich!!!! Can't wait to see your reactions with the car on these turbos. I'm up in the air with what I want to do later on this year or next. Let me know if you need anything like a file flashed, logs, place to stay, whatever the hell. haha

Will do, man! Thanks for all of your help so far, too. I'll probably need some flashing action at some point...

Hopefully these turbos will be awesome, and they'll be added to the list of turbos for you to consider doing next year, heh. All of the technical specs suggest that they'll be great, but we'll see.

[2380S4]

Looking forward to see how these perform!!

I'll be following this!

[shorterthanrich]

This is what we did Saturday:






So, the motor's out, old turbos and manifolds are off. I'm replacing some cam seals and probably a cam tensioner to hopefully get rid of some pesky oil leaks. The passenger's side are done, and the valve cover gaskets will be replaced this week, too. I'm concerned my front main seal is leaking, and I so don't feel like dealing with that.

At any rate, things are looking pretty good for a decent turn around time! The remaining to-do list off the top of my head is:
-Replace Passenger Valve Cover Gaskets
-Replace Driver's side Cam Tensioner
-Replace Driver's side Cam Seals
-Replace Driver's side Valve Cover Gaskets
-Maybe replace front main seal?
-Reinstall timing components and front accessories
-Replace Oil Level Sensor
-Delete some vacuum lines (off the turbo inlets)
-Maybe build a spider hose replacement because I hate the stock setup?
-Maybe pull off transmission to see what's up with my clutch pedal vibration at high RPMs...
-Install new turbos, manifolds, wastegates, and downpipes
-Reinstall everything
-Driiiiiiiive

I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but I feel good about where is stands now.

[Matt Danger]

What's your current best time for a motor pull? Dave's is probably like 37 minutes? lol

Quick work, hopefully the GTXs and kit bolt up without drama.

[shorterthanrich]

What's your current best time for a motor pull? Dave's is probably like 37 minutes? lol

Quick work, hopefully the GTXs and kit bolt up without drama.

My record from the time the car's on the lift until the engine is out, and the car's out of the shop is 3.5 hours with friends helping, which we did yesterday. Dave's record is, I believe 1 hour and 37 minutes, hah, and he averages around 2-3 hours casually if someone else is helping. Crazy.

So far only a few modifications have been necessary. The passenger side exhaust manifold was just nicking the corner of the head, but it only took a few minutes to file down the corner. There also seemed to be a burr on one of the v-bands connecting the driver's side turbo to the manifold, and again, some quick filing took care of that. Test fitting the wastegates went well, and the v-bands are much healthier than my old set, so I'm hopeful there.

[wdbdy2000s4]

Call me whenever you head down to work on it. I enjoy drinking while you use the engine bay as a jungle-gym.

[DxC]

phil, rich, come down tonight.

[shorterthanrich]

Call me whenever you head down to work on it. I enjoy drinking while you use the engine bay as a jungle-gym.

hahaha, I wish there was a picture of me doing that.

Will do! The next things are simple, mostly one person jobs, but when the car goes back in maybe I'll bring my kegerator down to the shop so you can drink as much as you want, haha.

[naudlee]

You make the switch to Tial wastegates? I'm about to ditch mine I was provided...

Nice progress, I'm getting there as well... need to pay Dave a visit for some of the odds/ends I'm missing and get crankin'!

[shorterthanrich]

All of the cam seals as well as the driver's side cam tensioner are done. I also have all the old silicon pulled up out of the valve cover valleys. Sweet!



I have to say, working on the passenger side head made me feel kind of sick...hah. It reminds me too much of last year replacing the head... it was the exact same month last year, too. :: shudders ::

What do you guys think about making a spider hose out of heater core hose? 5/8" hose? Is heater core hose corroded by oil?

The remaining list... somehow it seems just as long as it did before, even though I spent a few hours on it last night.

The List:
-Check to make sure I didn't screw up any oil valleys with silicon on the passenger side head
-Replace Passenger Valve Cover Gaskets
-Replace Driver's side Valve Cover Gaskets
-Maybe replace front main seal?
-Reinstall timing components and front accessories
-Replace Oil Level Sensor
-Delete some vacuum lines (off the turbo inlets, and across the fuel rail)
-Delete one of the green check valves
-Build a spider hose replacement out of heater core hose because I hate the stock setup
-Maybe pull off transmission to see what's up with my clutch pedal vibration at high RPMs...
-Install new turbos, manifolds, wastegates, and downpipes
-Reinstall everything
-Driiiiiiiive

[Evilevo]

I used heater hose for my Catch Can. I just recently got my hands on some 3/4" fuel line from Summit Racing and switched that. It will handle the oil a lot better than the heater hose.

[zdriver]

I used mostly fuel line and some heater hose, no issues over 10k miles

[Max@034]

Any good stuff over the weekend?

[judeisnotobscur]

This is AWESOME!

[mushasho]

Just the thought of what this translates into once you're done... it might be more than you expected...

[DiscoPotato]

Mother of god

[2380S4]

Wow that's pretty impressive!

[shorterthanrich]

Any good stuff over the weekend?

Yes! I wasn't able to spend a ton of time at the shop, but I made my new custom spider hose with DxCs expertise. There were so many opportunities for leaks with my old one, but now I'm pretty confident that it'll be completely leak free on that end. I'll post up pictures soon, but if you'd like one just like what we built, PM DxC. I also took care of a few more odds and ends, but that's about it. I think I'll replace the front main seal today and put all of the timing components back on tonight so I can finally bolt up the new turbo kit!

Just the thought of what this translates into once you're done... it might be more than you expected...

Haha, YES! I did a ridiculous amount of research before I decided to pull my motor, and that was one of the convincing charts, as well as plotting our motor for these turbos. I should be very happily in the efficiency range, and its possible to see a similar top end as what EvilEvo has, though I don't want to get my hopes up. Not to mention I have a single disk clutch, and my single fuel pump will start to run out. But, in the future I can easily upgrade those two things and theoretically support a whole bunch more power! Sweet!

Like I said, I'm really hoping for something in the 525-550whp range, which these turbos are beyond capable of producing on paper. Many people are reporting DiscoPotato spool, too...and with this tial housing instead of that other terrible one that I had...I'm looking forward to better spool across the board...

[mushasho]

pick up the phone... I'm calling you... never mind,.. you just did...

[zdriver]

Damn, hadnt seen that yet! Impressive stuff

[shorterthanrich]

Damn, hadnt seen that yet! Impressive stuff

Yeah man, I'm pumped about it. How's your car running?

[mushasho]

A more detailed map of the this turbo...(and a shameless bump for the 1st GTX build)

[zdriver]

Yeah man, I'm pumped about it. How's your car running?

Running so strong, unfortunately got an offer I couldn't refuse and sold it on Sunday : /

[DxC]

i srsly almost dropped a chevy 2500 truck on your engine which is why i sent you a cell phone pic. come clean it up/finish it up man ... at this pace it will be here for a year

[shorterthanrich]

i srsly almost dropped a chevy 2500 truck on your engine which is why i sent you a cell phone pic. come clean it up/finish it up man ... at this pace it will be here for a year

Sorry man, I've been working till 9 almost every night and on Sundays. I'll be there all day tomorrow and Sunday hopefully.

[shorterthanrich]

Alright - motor's all timed back up, accessories re-mounted.

-Delete stupid unnecessary vacuum lines (off the turbo inlets, and across the fuel rail)
-Delete two green check-valves and some more vac lines
-Maybe pull off transmission to see what's up with my clutch pedal vibration at high RPMs...
-Replace Passenger Valve Cover Gaskets
-Replace Driver's side Valve Cover Gasket
-Install new turbos, manifolds, waste-gates, and downpipes
-Reinstall everything
-Driiiiiiiive

The list is looking much shorter... If I actually find more time for the car, it could be ready to go in this weekend...and then I'll be out of town for the next 4 weekends...brutal.

[mushasho]

43minutes before midnight... Devotion!

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[GURUMAN]

How did I miss this, pretty interesting turbo selection...


What psi are you planning to run ?

Anything under 24 t 25 psi, there wont be much differences with than running regular 28rs. These turbos are crafted to run over 30 psi to outperform regular cast wheels.

then again you had 2560's...


I'm in for pleasenat results ahead

[shorterthanrich]

How did I miss this, pretty interesting turbo selection...


What psi are you planning to run ?

Anything under 24 t 25 psi, there wont be much differences with than running regular 28rs. These turbos are crafted to run over 30 psi to outperform regular cast wheels.

then again you had 2560's...


I'm in for pleasenat results ahead

Hey Guru - happy to have you in the thread.

I'm planning to run whatever it takes to make real power. I'm figuring somewhere around 30 PSI given my fueling (single Bosch 044)...

Anything is going to feel better than those garbage turbos that I had. Tiny compressor wheel + giant turbine housing = slow.

Anyway, I'm willing to run whatever it takes. I'm hoping for the best in the low 30s, and as I gain some cash over time, perhaps upgrade to a twin 044 setup and a clutch that can hold more power

That said, I'm still hoping to put down decent power and run comfortably in the 11s on my street setup. I won't be devastated if I don't, but I think its a reasonable goal.

[Sales@RAI]

Don't stop at 30psi. We just made 420awhp on 93+meth with one GTX3071R on a pretty bone stock 1.8T. 37psi was the most we cranked it out, smooth as butter with that boost. These turbos need that high boost to make the power

[shorterthanrich]

Don't stop at 30psi. We just made 420awhp on 93+meth with one GTX3071R on a pretty bone stock 1.8T. 37psi was the most we cranked it out, smooth as butter with that boost. These turbos need that high boost to make the power

Crazy! I'm not really accustomed to running such high boost... What components should I consider keeping an eye on, modifying, or upgrading in order to handle mid 30s and above?