GT2560 Build
Built engine with Built 2.8 heads
VAST GT2560 Turbos
VAST Log Manifolds
VAST Mandrel bent 3" Downpipes
VAST Tuned
Southbend Custom Clutch with an Extreme Sachs Pressure Plate and 6 Puck Ceramic Disc
To read the story of how I got my free noggy, then posted a bunch of newb stuff, continue on below.
Here's where it begins. The story:
In February of 2009, a good friend of mine let me drive his all stock 2000 Nogaro Blue S4 6MT. He's been driving it as his daily driver for some time, now. Him and some of his friends started a small Alternative Energy Consulting/Design Company right out of college, so his Father has been letting him use that car for their business, since all of their income is dedicated to the company. My friend, Jason, drives very, very conservatively. And by that, I mean it's boring to be in a car with him. So slow, such even gradual acceleration. Great for the car, but boring.
So, when he let me drive it, I asked him "Jason, can I drive this car the way it was meant to be driven?" He replied "Yeah, go for it... show me what it can really do..."
So I did. I was so sold on the car so fast it's not even funny. I had been in the market for a new car for months. I've created spreadsheets helping me determine which car is best for me and have been analyzing and reanalyzing them for the last 6 months or so. RX-8? WRX? STi? Boxster S? 911 C4S? Corvette? (all used, of course). Everything had it's ups and downs on price, performance, bad weather driving, trunk space, mpg, etc. After driving the S, I very solidly decided on having a turbo'd car. Absolutely sold on the principle.
At the beginning of May, Jason called me, quite dismayed. "The car is in the shop...my uncle was driving it for a few weeks and apparently the clutch and the flywheel are dead...he said it's going to be $5,000 to get it back on the road."
Me: "$5,000?!?! No way, that's crap!"
Jason: "Yeah, well, my Dad doesn't really have time to deal with it. He said he's just going to junk it and get a new one. I really don't want him to get rid of it! I love that car!"
Me: "JUNK AN S4?! Dude, NO. It would NOT cost that much to fix it. That's ridiculous. Plus it's worth way more than $5K anyway."
Jason: "Well, let me see if I can talk him out of it...."
About 10 minutes later, he called me back...
"Dude, do you want it?"
Me: "What? Want it like...buy it?"
Jason: "No. As in just take it. Can you fix it? He doesn't want to deal with it...you can just have it if you want. I just don't want it junked or something."
Me: ""
"YES! Holy crap! YES."
So, since I was traveling for work, at the end of my short tour, I flew back from SLC, Utah, to Boston, drove from Boston to Long Island to grab my father's van. We drove over to New Jersey about an hour away and picked it up from his mechanic on a flatbed. The car was dirty as hell, but clearly in good shape - no major cosmetic flaws. Ran fine...just wouldn't go into gear. We drove it back to Long Island and brought it to the family mechanic to get the RS4 Clutch, AWE Lightweight Flywheel, and Bailey Diverter Valves installed. I'd have loved to do it myself, but had no access to a lift and also had to fly out to California within a few days. I didn't really have time.
So, about $3,000 in parts and labor later, the car was back on the road. I drove it for 900 miles within two days. From Long Island, to Albany to Boston to Albany to Boston.
That is the story of how I got my Free Noggy.
From here on is the build. __________________________________________________ ______
The Build! (edit, this was my original plan, which has since changed dramatically)
First, my goals. I would like to keep my investments below the value of the car. Realistically, that's almost definitely not going to happen. The plan was to have a ton of fun with this car, learn a lot along the way, do nearly all of the work myself, and save money to purchase a 2003 911 Carerra 4S within 2 years. Now that I've driven the car more and experienced what a simple stage 1 tune can do, I hope to keep the car for more than just 2 years, and am likely going to invest more than the car's value into it, but will also be able to save up for the 911 because of how long I hope to keep it. 3 years? 4 years? Hopefully.
Outline:
1. Keep it completely daily drivable.
2. Keep it classy. Nothing that attracts TOO much attention.
3. Always seek deals and good "value." I'm not looking to be the fastest s4 in Boston.
4. Have fun with it. Don't take things too seriously. It's a hobby.
5. Always be faster than my friends Celica GT-S that is being modded. Try to be faster than my other friends 2004 modded Evo. Heh.
About the car:
Got it at 135,000 miles. Everything was stock. Minor, slow oil leak, like all of these cars have. ABS Module dead, Airbag Module dead, Pixels dead. Exterior was in beautiful shape, minus a pretty scratched up rear bumped, which Ive since touched up to look good unless youre looking for it. Interior is in great shape minus a very small rip on the back seat because the previous owner used to put his bike in the car. Stock K03s show no sign of upcoming death, but who knows.
So far:
5/14/2009 135,000 RS4 Clutch
5/14/2009 135,000 AWE LWFW
5/14/2009 135,000 2 x Bailey Diverter Valves
5/14/2009 135,000 Oil Change: Mobil1 5W40 Synthetic
5/15/2009 135,000 Wax
6/3/2009 136,000
6/4/2009 136,000 Short Shifter Installation
6/10/2009 136,500 Full Detail
6/11/2009 136,500 2 x LED License Plate Lights
6/12/2009 136,500 35% Tint all around
6/12/2009 136,500 2 x LED Convenience Lights
7/2/2009 137,000 Silicon Throttle Body Boot
7/2/2009 137,000 Silicon F-Hose
7/2/2009 137,000 A-Box ECU with APR 2 Tune
7/3/2009 137,000 iPod Adaptor
7/3/2009 137,000 ABS Module Repair
7/3/2009 137,000 Air Bag Module
7/3/2009 137,000 All interior LEDs
To be Purchased:
Pixel Fix
JHM Short Shifter
Sport Pedals
Bilstein Sport Shocks
MSW type 11 17x7.5" Wheels
Piggies
LED Tail Lights - EDIT: Unless Someone points me to nice looking tasteful ones, no LED tails will touch my car. I have not found anything that looks good yet.
Transmission Fluid Flush
For a planned grand total of: $7,620.00
Bets should be placed on how much higher than that I end up going... (update 1/12/12 over $25K and counting...) ____________________________________________
And so it begins. Im traveling for work at the moment, but Ill be back next week to install the Podi gauge and possibly try to get the subs in. That depends on whether or not I find an easy way to tap into the bose line level signal that runs to the ampor if I just go with a LOC. I also MIGHT break down and buy the JHM shifter.since that eBay one is total shyte.
Any comments, suggestions, help, ANYTHING is welcome and encouraged! I know this is not some crazy single turbo build or Imola Beast or something, but its going to be a fun project, full of probably every fix anyone has to do and a long list of mods over the years. Im really looking forward to it.
If anyone is in the Boston area, Id love to meet up for a cruise, to shoot the sh!t, use your vag-com, or steal your garage space for the day I need to do a K04 swap.
-Rich
Last edited by shorterthanrich; 01-25-2012 at 01:24 PM.
what's with all the LED stuff.. and LED tailights? SKIP
amp? sub? a decent aftermarket deck and the stock speakers are more than enough for decent bass.
that's almost $1000+ you should be saving for k04s/gts/insert your fav turbo here
*ding*
If you want to spend money on a system, focus on home theater.
Congrats on the car.... awesome deal, but be prepared to spend more than you expected maintaining it. (timing belt/water pump/accessory belts?, valve cover gaskets?, after run coolant pump?, etc?)
If nothing else, please don't make it stretch and poke on bags.. kthx :-p
what's with all the LED stuff.. and LED tailights? SKIP
amp? sub? a decent aftermarket deck and the stock speakers are more than enough for decent bass.
that's almost $1000+ you should be saving for k04s/gts/insert your fav turbo here
I like LEDs. Call me obsessed, but I really...really love LEDs. I have a known hatred of incandescent light. Stupid inefficient old technology. Not that it actually really matters in a car...
I guess I just like the very "true" color that LEDs give.
I'm still on the fence on the LED tails. Only if I can find ones that are not rice looking. LEDs > incandescent, and can really give an even higher class look to tail lights. I haven't found any that I'm happy with though, so I'll either make my own out of some stock tails or just keep them stock (since they're great looking tails as far as stock goes).
I already have the two 13Ov.2s from my previous car. I custom build boxes, so that's basically free ($30), the wires were cheap, and the amp was $315. I like high fi audio, and have a soft spot for bass. I like to feel it. I'm making it completely removable so that when I want to auto x or anything of that nature I can pop it all right out in 5 minutes.
I know it's not everyone's taste, but it is mine :)
If you want to spend money on a system, focus on home theater.
Congrats on the car.... awesome deal, but be prepared to spend more than you expected maintaining it. (timing belt/water pump/accessory belts?, valve cover gaskets?, after run coolant pump?, etc?)
If nothing else, please don't make it stretch and poke on bags.. kthx :-p
I DID spend money on my home theater.
Yeah, I realized VERY quickly that I'd be spending more on it than I originally thought. But you know what, I'm ok with it. I'll bitch and moan and get pissed...but every time I drive it...it's worth it. Again, getting it for $0 makes it a bit easier.
Stretch and poke on bags? I'm don't quite understand what you mean there. Sorry, I think that I'm just missing something or not familiar with the phrase.
Congratulations on your S4! With a little love, she can truly be your love. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks :-D
It's what I did with my day at work today, heh.
Originally Posted by Karl
I've found the new person I envy the most. Seven deadly sins? Fuck 'em....
Congrats though :)
Glad to be the subject of any S4 owner's envy.
Thanks!
Originally Posted by Don Supreme
Its kind of depressing when you lay it all out on paper.
Why do you do that to yourself?
Because I'm obsessive, perfectionist, and can't stop thinking about things until I've written them down or come up with some sort of plan that I can look at every time I can't stop thinking about it. I need to be able to look at a sheet of paper, or spreadsheet, and say ok - you have it all right there...stop thinking about it for 5 minutes.
Also, I can very easily get carried away with it and I need a means of controlling myself.
Yeah, I realized VERY quickly that I'd be spending more on it than I originally thought. But you know what, I'm ok with it. I'll bitch and moan and get pissed...but every time I drive it...it's worth it. Again, getting it for $0 makes it a bit easier.
Stretch and poke on bags? I'm don't quite understand what you mean there. Sorry, I think that I'm just missing something or not familiar with the phrase.
1) Nice on the home theater.. Sounds like you're making the car system removeable, so props there. :)
2) If you don't know what stretch and poke (and bags) is, that is a GOOD thing. :) (stretch = wide wheels with narrow tires, poke = really too wide wheels, or incorrectly way too low wheel offset, or unnecessarily thick wheel spacers to push wheel face outside the wheel well, bags = suspension with air bags so you can "slam" the car down real low when you show it at car shows, cause cars which look useless are way cool... dude. ) :-D
Sounds like you know what you're getting into with the maintenance, and I wouldn't mind too much with a free S4 either ;) Just make sure to get the maintenance all up to date before focusing on the mods.
Congrats again! (and yes, that story was a good read.. well presented :) )
1) Nice on the home theater.. Sounds like you're making the car system removeable, so props there. :)
2) If you don't know what stretch and poke (and bags) is, that is a GOOD thing. :) (stretch = wide wheels with narrow tires, poke = really too wide wheels, or incorrectly way too low wheel offset, or unnecessarily thick wheel spacers to push wheel face outside the wheel well, bags = suspension with air bags so you can "slam" the car down real low when you show it at car shows, cause cars which look useless are way cool... dude. ) :-D
Sounds like you know what you're getting into with the maintenance, and I wouldn't mind too much with a free S4 either ;) Just make sure to get the maintenance all up to date before focusing on the mods.
Congrats again! (and yes, that story was a good read.. well presented :) )
The home theatre is very nice but not entirely excessive. All Elemental Designs speakers (A6-6T6 towers + center, A3-5TCs in the rear, and an A7S-450 18" 1,300 Watt Ov.2 series subwoofa. hehe.) Denon receiver, imaged perfectly. Wasn't too expensive, but it's better than anything I've ever heard. Obviously there's better stuff out there....but as far as bang for the buck, only The Speaker Company makes something competitive with this equipment in the price range. I'm happy with my eDs.
2. I mean, I know what bags are, and I sort of guess you might be talking about that. I've never heard of stretch n poke, though. I'm running on the stock rims at the moment, but as you saw I'm probably going with 17" x 7.5, so stock size. The tires on the car were around $800+, so it's not worth it to me to get rims that these tires don't fit on. I'm ok with stretching to 8", but it's not really worth it. 35mm offset plus maybe 10mm spacers should be enough to get the wheels even with the fenders at most. Don't want to go outside it or overdo it. I don't want to lower the car because i'm in Boston, and it practically scrapes out of most driveways to begin with. Bilstein sports on stock springs should make me happy enough. Just want to tighten it up, don't need to drop it.
I'm trying SOOOOO hard to get the maintenance done before mods. It's SO difficult. I travel for work CONSTANTLY, so I have all of this time away from the car to plan...and buy things. If I was home I'd already have the ABS, Airbags, and pixel situation fixed. I'd also have replaced the suspension (the front suspension bumps and rattles - struts are blown I think.) That's all happening soon though.
As of now the car gets driven 1-2 weekends a month.
Glad to hear you saved an S. It looks like you have a good head on your shoulders when it comes to modding, besides the LED tails. Please, Please dont put LED tails on. 99% of b5 s4 dont have aftermarket tails for a reason.
As far as the next stuff on your list, I wouldnt go for the sport shocks or the sport pedals. Pedals are a PITA to install and the sport shocks wont change the feel of the suspension that much. I would wait for a GB on coilovers or buy a good used pair. You will definitely be happy with COs.
As far as maintenance, I would do the tranny fluid. Its straight forward following the DIYs. The down side is you need the tools for it.
Glad to hear you saved an S. It looks like you have a good head on your shoulders when it comes to modding, besides the LED tails. Please, Please dont put LED tails on. 99% of b5 s4 dont have aftermarket tails for a reason.
As far as the next stuff on your list, I wouldnt go for the sport shocks or the sport pedals. Pedals are a PITA to install and the sport shocks wont change the feel of the suspension that much. I would wait for a GB on coilovers or buy a good used pair. You will definitely be happy with COs.
As far as maintenance, I would do the tranny fluid. Its straight forward following the DIYs. The down side is you need the tools for it.
Other than that, keep up the good work.
Like I said, I was hoping to find some nice looking aftermarket tails, but have not had any luck. After the response here, its almost definitely going to be stricken from the list. Instead I might do some nice white LEDs across the front bumper vents or something. Probably not, and if so way off in the future when I've run out of *relatively* inexpensive things to do.
I've heard conflicting reports on the sport shocks. Many people have said that it would definitely stiffen up the ride significantly. And sometimes I hear it wont make any difference. I want ZERO drop, and (from my understanding) it's difficult to find COs that don't drop the car at all. Also, bilstein sports = $500, COs > $1000. Point me in the direction of something nice and stiff with no drop at the right price, and I'm all ears.
I'm going to go look up the tranny fluid DIY. Know where one is? I have a fair amount of tools and am WTB most anything - I'm only 22 and will be playing with cars so long as my arms are functioning.
Alright, so here are some pictures of some things goin in:
So this is what happens when I travel for 3 weeks.
That's the Cadence A7HC (bought from jibberjive – thanks), eBay ipod Adaptor, used Airbag Module, repaired ABS module from Cheap-ABS.com, Samco TBB, Samco F-Hose from AWE, APR 2 “A box” ecu (bought from Anthony AWD – Thanks!), and my keys and laptop for size comparison on how insanely tiny the A7HC amp is.
Cadence A7HC bought from jibberjive (THANKS): so so small for 1500+ Watts RMS. This is going in maybe next week? If I get the wires and a LOC in time. I'm not sure if I can tap into the bose line level wires that go to the stock amp. If anyone knows anything about this - let me know.
Clear backing...mmm guts.
These are the subs in the box that I built for my maxima. 1.5cf/chamber, tuned to 32 hz. Anyone need a box for a car bigger than the S? It squeezes into the S but it takes up 80% of the trunk. Time to say goodbye to it.
Matt @ Cheap-ABS.com done good on my ABS module. Er...well, it seems he did. I still have to clear the codes. Still, he did it fast and cheap!
Ok, onto replacing the hoses! Thanks AW for the tech article on this...
Covers off...mmm bailey's. (Note: Are my DVs on sideways? My mechanic put them on for me while he was in there doing the clutch and flywheel. I thought I remembered seeing a picture of them facing differently somewhere...but it might have been a dream/nightmare)
Gotta loosen up those IC hose mounts. Loosen, but don't remove. If you don't do this then you might break the mounts...so get on it. There's one on each side, naturally. ahhh, two turbos.
Removing the sensor with an 8mm socket. Already took out the 5mm allen screws
TBB off after removing the 7mm intercooler pipe clamps. These were pretty easy to take off and are re-usable. but the TBB and F hose comes with nice new ones...so might as well use 'em.
Throttle Body glamour shot:
TBB all in. I meant to buy it in blue...but I guess I misclicked. Oh well.
Bailey DV glamor shot
Ecu replacement:
And that's where I stopped taking pictures. The TBB wasn't too hard to put in, but the F-hose was a bitch! the silicon hoses did NOT want to get on there. I actually stabbed myself in the finger with a flat-head screwdriver while trying to jam something into something else. That's the first time that I broke (as in popped) the skin with a flathead. bastards.
Getting the the ABS module would be very easy with all of the right tools. Its behind the stereo in the dash. It was kind of a two-fur since I was doing the ipod adaptor, as well. A mini-ratchet set would definitely help...which I don't have. Still, it wasn't so bad. The ipod adaptor install was very, very easy.
ABS module is also in and really was not very difficult at all. Took maybe 2 hours taking my time to remove it, but only about 30 minutes to put it back in. Getting the car up on jack stands up front is a must. I also found one of the most rusted screws in the history of cars up front. I went to take out one of the T25 torx, and the inside of it literally disintegrated.
Next week: Podi Boost gauge install, possibly amp + sub install, possibly JHM short shifter install, hopefully getting the ABS+airbag lights to turn off.
car looks nice, be careful where you park it around Boston
Thanks! Luckily my car is in a locked garage for now, and I'm moving to Medford, where it will sit in my driveway under a car cover most of the time. I also never drive it in the city - mostly in the surrounding areas.
wow a free s4 enjoy it man , i have two of them and love them but one day i will get a P car
2 > 1 free I think....
P car?
I'm going to PM you about your EPL tune. I have APR software, but after some more upgrades I may go with them since I'm in the NE. Got some good recommendations for them on AW.
Yeesh, started to feel a little hated on here. I saved it from the junkyards!
Originally Posted by NeedingAnAudi
Damn, where can I find a Noggy 6MT for free?
I really lucked out like no ones business. It's really not even fair. Though it has been difficult working on it, etc, with all of the insane travel that I do. I'm home 1 weekend a month at best right now...
I mean, I figured that since I got a stock S4 and will be making it not stock...i.e. building it up, it could be called a build thread.
Not doing anything particularly new or awesome like jib or guru or whomever else, but I still see it as a build. It just so happens to have an interesting story along the way with the whole free thing, and that's attracting a lot of the conversation.
what are u talking about. itll still be stock. u want to rice ur car up with LEDs and a sound system. if u got an s4 for free first thing on my mind would be performance. not audio and visual like the 16 yr olds with hondas think of. ur lucky for getting a free s4 but it would have been better off in a junk yard. bye
what are u talking about. itll still be stock. u want to rice ur car up with LEDs and a sound system. if u got an s4 for free first thing on my mind would be performance. not audio and visual like the 16 yr olds with hondas think of. ur lucky for getting a free s4 but it would have been better off in a junk yard. bye
Man, I'm trying to keep positive. There's no reason to get on my case.
Read anything of what I wrote. OH NO NOT LED'S INSTEAD OF INCANDESCENT? RICE-MOBILE. Dude, it's no different. It gives off a truer color light. Most new luxury cars come with stock LEDs instead of incandescent because the technology is purely superior in all metrics other than cost. Welcome to the 21st century. Underglow? No. Idiotic tails? No. Spoiler? no.
So sue me for liking hi-fi audio. What's the problem with that. eD 13Ov.2's are SQ woofers, going into a .7cf/chamber sealed box. That takes up almost no trunk space and adds maybe 40 lbs. You probably carry that much extra weight in the car in douche-bags alone. I'm making the whole system fully removable. A hobby is a hobby. If I want a better sounding stereo in my car in conjunction with higher performance, that's my preference.
Also, if you have read you might have noticed, the first changes were RS4 clutch, LWFW, and Bailey DVs. In fact, the ONLY non-performance mods are a bit of an addition to the stereo, replacing factory bulbs with LEDs (which will never need replacing - ever, and look significantly better), and getting a fully legal tint. What's the big deal, and really man, there's no reasonable way to call that "ricer."
APR 2 tune, clutch, fly, DVs, piggies, catback, short shifter, silicon hoses, fixed all the broken crap (abs, airbags, pixels) picking my suspension, and am starting to plan for stage 3. You call that stock? You call that rice? Grow up and take your jealousy and aggression to the gym instead of the interweb.
Are you telling me it's "rice" to do any visual mods on the S? I look around here, and so many people have rims worth the price of a K04 upgrade, RS4 bumpers, etc. I think it looks great. I don't think there's anything wrong with adding to the way your car looks. It's an expression. I have <$1,000 planned in audio/visual modifications. $400-$500 for new wheels, $400 on the stereo, and a few hundred for the tint. EVERYTHING else - well over $5,000 - is in performance.
Edit: I've seen you post a lot around here, and generally always got a good vibe. What's with the hate? I really don't see anything that I'm doing classifiable as rice. I understand a sound system can come off that way, but really if you look at what I'm doing...its not. Same with LEDs. Those three letters give off a bad vibe automatically these days from everyone that overdoes it, but I think the simple LED replacement looks very tasteful.
Last edited by shorterthanrich; 07-11-2009 at 03:27 PM.
I find my story more intresting. Also sorry to break your heart going stage 1/2+ is not a build. You have a stock audi you fixed up with an ECU flash..... If this was a build thread you would see 10-20 threads a week on flash "builds" and people putting exhaust on. Once again sorry to break your heart but I wouldn't call a bolt on turbo kit a "build" aka the stage 3 kit the PJ ko4s. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I ran it...but once again that isn't a build. Maybe if you had a step by step instal of the stage 3, you could post it. We are not bashing what you are doing, but stop being such a jerk off and bragging about your "free car". You paid money to fix it. It isn't free. I request this thread is moved.
auto GT a6 - is here.....
"I compare it to a centerfold model.Just because her measurements are great doesn't mean she's a good lay"
I find my story more intresting. Also sorry to break your heart going stage 1/2+ is not a build. You have a stock audi you fixed up with an ECU flash..... If this was a build thread you would see 10-20 threads a week on flash "builds" and people putting exhaust on. Once again sorry to break your heart but I wouldn't call a bolt on turbo kit a "build" aka the stage 3 kit the PJ ko4s. Don't get me wrong I loved it when I ran it...but once again that isn't a build. Maybe if you had a step by step instal of the stage 3, you could post it. We are not bashing what you are doing, but stop being such a jerk off and bragging about your "free car". You paid money to fix it. It isn't free. I request this thread is moved.
That's fair. I can accept that a stage 1,2, or maybe even a 3 isn't really a build - hence my comment that it's not quite as serious as what I've seen in the subforum. My definition of "build thread" is basically a thread updating, maybe detailing, perhaps even step-by-stepping mods and upgrades. But if the forum's definition requires it to be much more serious, we can happily move this over to the chatterbox. I have no problem with that what-so-ever. I do see your point - I'm not doing anything different than what most people do, which I said. So yep, you would have an influx of "build threads" all saying the same thing by my definition.
Now...all of the animosity is a bit excessive. I haven't bashed anyone...I haven't tried to put anyone down, I haven't flamed anyone or been pissy at all. I tend to be pretty mild - especially online where tempers flare excessively so often. So at that, easy on the "stop being a jerk off" and so on. I posted a thread about a cool story on how I got a great car - essentially for free. If you want, it can be called my $3,000 noggy, rather than free. Is someone posting that they got a great deal on a tune/parts and ended up making their car awesome bragging? If yes, then that's what we're ALL on here to do.
But NAY. Most of us are on here for the love of the car and community. We want to talk about what we're doing because our friends and girlfriends are sick of hearing it, and its nice to see what others are up to, get and give advice, and have someone say "hey man, thats cool you got this car for free. have fun with it. Maybe we'll see you around Boston or something" etc.
I can't really decide if I'm actually being a douche here, or if some of you folks are just a bit touchy.
I can't really decide if I'm actually being a douche here, or if some of you folks are just a bit touchy.
Sorry for offending anyone.
Hope you know; i wasn't talking too you :)
I think everyone's car should & has the right to have their own build no matter how big or how small; everyone dose unique things with each of their cars. You don't need to be pushing power for your car to be custom & interesting.
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Originally Posted by mrpeterparker
) :-D
The home theatre is very nice but not entirely excessive. All Elemental Designs speakers (A6-6T6 towers + center, A3-5TCs in the rear, and an A7S-450 18" 1,300 Watt Ov.2 series subwoofa. hehe.) Denon receiver, imaged perfectly. Wasn't too expensive, but it's better than anything I've ever heard. Obviously there's better stuff out there....but as far as bang for the buck, only The Speaker Company makes something competitive with this equipment in the price range. I'm happy with my eDs.
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