Anyone can carry mace, that's the best part. I think he did the right thing, but I'd have emptied it. I thought it was brilliant that he used it, because despite the fact that the guy kept talking, he wouldnt go near the mace guy again. He just kept talking shit. Though I think that Mace Man needs to get stronger, potentially blinding spray.
Wtf is up with all the ghetto arm flailing and the head jiving? Who the hell does he think he is?
If that'd been me with my friends, Mr Man would be face down on the ground, potentially with some .40 cal holes in his body. F that kinda behavior. Douche.
you kids and your guns... that's a great way to get your ass thrown in prison for a long time. if someone is attacking you...
1. punch to the throat (ever been punched in the throat? hurts like crazy). great opening move that gives you control from the start.
2. at that point, he will grab his throat and open his mouth. elbow to jaw (use your fist and have his teeth cut up your knuckles, no good). the elbow is the hardest part of the human body.
3. while his gut is now slightly forward of his body, flying knee to the gut
4. the knee to the gut will cause him to topple over and you will still be in the air. while you are coming down, strike down on the crown of his skull with your elbow. this will put a huge point load on his skull. This will also potentially crack his skull open. This is an old middle of the jungle thai technique.
5. if he doesn't fall to the ground at that point, knee to face.
5. then, take your fingers and put them underneath his rib cage. grab his rib cage with your fingers. this is very very painful.
6. while you have his rib cage, kick his knee with the heel of your foot hard enough to hyperextend it and potentially break his leg at the knee.
These are some simple self defense maneuvers that I figured out after getting my ass beat a few times by guys talking shit and pushing first. they are VERY effective. remember this is street fighting and self defense. THERE ARE NO RULES. shots to the groin, biting, eye gouging, etc are all legitimate moves if your life is being threatened by another. You are legally entitled to defend yourself if someone attacks you.
That's why I don't get in fights anymore. Nobody can just take an ass beating and that be that. Nope. Gotta get mah gun, THEN I beat you. Sorry to get off topic in the, um, off topic topic.
Please tell more. Did he piss himself? That'd piss me off so much I'm afraid I may have had him bite the curb. Fuck human existence sometimes, man. Too many evil people in this world.
I've had a gun pulled on me twice...honestly, it wasn't that scary but it will definately shut you up. Obviously you're not going to try and be a tough guy with a gun in your face but the whole time you're just thinking, "no way this dude is gonna shoot me."
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you kids and your guns... that's a great way to get your ass thrown in prison for a long time. if someone is attacking you...
1. punch to the throat (ever been punched in the throat? hurts like crazy). great opening move that gives you control from the start.
2. at that point, he will grab his throat and open his mouth. elbow to jaw (use your fist and have his teeth cut up your knuckles, no good). the elbow is the hardest part of the human body.
3. while his gut is now slightly forward of his body, flying knee to the gut
4. the knee to the gut will cause him to topple over and you will still be in the air. while you are coming down, strike down on the crown of his skull with your elbow. this will put a huge point load on his skull. This will also potentially crack his skull open. This is an old middle of the jungle thai technique.
5. if he doesn't fall to the ground at that point, knee to face.
5. then, take your fingers and put them underneath his rib cage. grab his rib cage with your fingers. this is very very painful.
6. while you have his rib cage, kick his knee with the heel of your foot hard enough to hyperextend it and potentially break his leg at the knee.
These are some simple self defense maneuvers that I figured out after getting my ass beat a few times by guys talking shit and pushing first. they are VERY effective. remember this is street fighting and self defense. THERE ARE NO RULES. shots to the groin, biting, eye gouging, etc are all legitimate moves if your life is being threatened by another. You are legally entitled to defend yourself if someone attacks you.
Some of us have jobs that allow us to carry anywhere we go. I personally wouldnt hesitate to pull on someone if I or someone I was with felt threatened. As long as you are licensed for the weapon, You can not be arrested for a lawful......"display". When you get licensed whether it be with law enforment, or a carry permit, You are made aware of any and all reason's in which you can pull.. Once the person/persons make an approch after you pull the firearm, its game on and the shells begin to fly.
I've had a gun pulled on me twice...honestly, it wasn't that scary but it will definately shut you up. Obviously you're not going to try and be a tough guy with a gun in your face but the whole time you're just thinking, "no way this dude is gonna shoot me."
gotta be careful on how you look at that situation.. Ive got a friend in the military (delta force). Nicest guy ever, and very calm and collective. Ive seen him pull on someone once and the guy said out loud, that he "didnt have the balls", Little did he know that this guy prolly took more lives then the amount of times you've washed your car. lol
you kids and your guns... that's a great way to get your ass thrown in prison for a long time. if someone is attacking you...
1. punch to the throat (ever been punched in the throat? hurts like crazy). great opening move that gives you control from the start.
2. at that point, he will grab his throat and open his mouth. elbow to jaw (use your fist and have his teeth cut up your knuckles, no good). the elbow is the hardest part of the human body.
3. while his gut is now slightly forward of his body, flying knee to the gut
4. the knee to the gut will cause him to topple over and you will still be in the air. while you are coming down, strike down on the crown of his skull with your elbow. this will put a huge point load on his skull. This will also potentially crack his skull open. This is an old middle of the jungle thai technique.
5. if he doesn't fall to the ground at that point, knee to face.
5. then, take your fingers and put them underneath his rib cage. grab his rib cage with your fingers. this is very very painful.
6. while you have his rib cage, kick his knee with the heel of your foot hard enough to hyperextend it and potentially break his leg at the knee.
These are some simple self defense maneuvers that I figured out after getting my ass beat a few times by guys talking shit and pushing first. they are VERY effective. remember this is street fighting and self defense. THERE ARE NO RULES. shots to the groin, biting, eye gouging, etc are all legitimate moves if your life is being threatened by another. You are legally entitled to defend yourself if someone attacks you.
I would assume a gun is actually better to use for legal reasons, as long as your permitted to carry. If needed you can take your shot/shots, as long as you don't drop 6 rounds in the guy, it should seem resonable as self defense. And usually you wouldn't need to use it, showing it would be enough. And if you did have to use it, you could probably get a good non-lethal shot. If your trained in fighting, then people can make all sorts of arguments that you are infact a weapon and should have shown more reserve because you know what your capable of and should have stoped at "this" spot during defending yourself.
But when it's video like this, your pretty covered anyway.
I would just fight that guy...I wouldn't risk life in jail for that retard with a gun...even if you're super puss and that guy can kick your ass, an ass beating is better then a lifetime of beatings and buttsex behind bars.
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That's why I don't get in fights anymore. Nobody can just take an ass beating and that be that. Nope. Gotta get mah gun, THEN I beat you. Sorry to get off topic in the, um, off topic topic.
Read the whole post...you don't just pull a gun just to pull it. If you are threatened by another individual, or as i stated - by SEVERAL individuals, that is when i would pull it...not if it was just him and i, and i was getting my ass beat or vice versa...only in the event of some of his buddies jumping in on the ordeal..It looks as though all the people are more or less "with" the douche bag that was talking shit, so i assume the smaller guy was probably unsure if he struck the "****" in the face, if he would then be assaulted by the rest of his buddies...probably why he pulled the mace on him..
I would assume a gun is actually better to use for legal reasons, as long as your permitted to carry. If needed you can take your shot/shots, as long as you don't drop 6 rounds in the guy, it should seem resonable as self defense. And usually you wouldn't need to use it, showing it would be enough. And if you did have to use it, you could probably get a good non-lethal shot. If your trained in fighting, then people can make all sorts of arguments that you are infact a weapon and should have shown more reserve because you know what your capable of and should have stoped at "this" spot during defending yourself.
But when it's video like this, your pretty covered anyway.
Well, i don't own a gun nor am I licensed. I know gun safety and how to shoot, but haven't found a reason to need one *yet*. I know in New Orleans you can have a gun in your car without needing a license because it's considered to be on your property, but I don't know the laws of H-town.
Fighting is just more fun... I would rather fight than pull a gun. Ever beat the piss out of some steroid freak that thinks he can smash you just because he has 60lbs on you? It's pretty damn gratifying... then you can scream "protein!!!!!!!!" when it's all said and done. Also, if you know a bunch of cops, you're good to go
i'm not formally trained, people just like to pick fights with me and my friends. one fun night that wound up with this db's face smashed into a fance started out when me and my buddy mike (we call him skelator. he's 6'5" and maybe 150lbs soaking wet) were at a bar in baton rouge and some random guy just walks up and jacks him in the face... i ran that mf down. he swung at me. i called it self defense after that. left him in the parking lot of Fred's with blood everywhere.
A punk ass little **** that thinks he can talk a bunch of shit cause he drives a decent car is another story. That guy definately didnt get hugs from his mommy and daddy when he was a little kid.
I would assume a gun is actually better to use for legal reasons, as long as your permitted to carry. If needed you can take your shot/shots, as long as you don't drop 6 rounds in the guy, it should seem resonable as self defense. And usually you wouldn't need to use it, showing it would be enough. And if you did have to use it, you could probably get a good non-lethal shot. If your trained in fighting, then people can make all sorts of arguments that you are infact a weapon and should have shown more reserve because you know what your capable of and should have stoped at "this" spot during defending yourself.
But when it's video like this, your pretty covered anyway.
No. And Duct you are wrong too.
First of all, you should only be pulling your weapon to use it. If you're just "displaying" it, the situation does not call for the use of a gun. And even if you have a permit, you can still get in a lot of trouble for displaying the weapon if the situation doesn't call for displaying it. Pretty sure it's a felony in most states too. At the very least you will have your permit revoked.
Secondly, if you're going to shoot someone, your life or someone else's life HAS to be jeopardy. If it's not, you will be going to jail for a long time. Oh and regardless of self defense or not... you will get the piss sued out of you.
Finally, many states have retreat laws. You are obligated to try and retreat before using deadly force (unless you are in your own home or it's not possible to retreat).
In other words, if you carry a gun, only pull it if you are in a life or death situation.
First of all, you should only be pulling your weapon to use it. If you're just "displaying" it, the situation does not call for the use of a gun. And even if you have a permit, you can still get in a lot of trouble for displaying the weapon if the situation doesn't call for displaying it. Pretty sure it's a felony in most states too. At the very least you will have your permit revoked.
Secondly, if you're going to shoot someone, your life or someone else's life HAS to be jeopardy. If it's not, you will be going to jail for a long time. Oh and regardless of self defense or not... you will get the piss sued out of you.
Finally, many states have retreat laws. You are obligated to try and retreat before using deadly force (unless you are in your own home or it's not possible to retreat).
In other words, if you carry a gun, only pull it if you are in a life or death situation.
His name on slcsr.com is COBRA_MAN_OF_UTAH or something like that. Just read a bunch of his posts, super douche.
Yeah thats it. I use to live in SLC 5 years ago and the dude was the exact same. Loud mouthed idiot that drove a convertible cobra. I think it was white, loved cobra's and was just a general fucktard.
I would just fight that guy...I wouldn't risk life in jail for that retard with a gun...even if you're super puss and that guy can kick your ass, an ass beating is better then a lifetime of beatings and buttsex behind bars.
A gun does not mean you are going to jail. Both myself and my wife have concealed carry permits, and we both often carry (in California). The one and only time I have pulled it was very clear to me the guys intent with respect to my wife. Know your rights, they are your power.
First of all, you should only be pulling your weapon to use it. If you're just "displaying" it, the situation does not call for the use of a gun. And even if you have a permit, you can still get in a lot of trouble for displaying the weapon if the situation doesn't call for displaying it. Pretty sure it's a felony in most states too. At the very least you will have your permit revoked.
Secondly, if you're going to shoot someone, your life or someone else's life HAS to be jeopardy. If it's not, you will be going to jail for a long time. Oh and regardless of self defense or not... you will get the piss sued out of you.
Finally, many states have retreat laws. You are obligated to try and retreat before using deadly force (unless you are in your own home or it's not possible to retreat).
In other words, if you carry a gun, only pull it if you are in a life or death situation.
Damn, well I did say assume for a reason. So, your fucked either way, good to know.
I don't think some retard talking shit is a reason to shoot him...if he's agressively coming after you or makes you fear for your life then I could see it...if you reasonably try to avoid the situation then it's more than acceptable to blast him as well.....but if you simply stand there and pull out a gun for no reason or to intimidate someone then you're asking for trouble. I see it perfectly acceptable to use in the situation with your wife when the guy made his intentions known, but I don't think it's necessary to escalate the situation with the cobra guy b/c he's clearly just a puss and trying to act all tough. I would not be shook at all if that guy was yelling and dancing around the parking lot. This definately does not warrant the use of a gun as we saw. The guy was such a Vajayjay he didn't even swing at that other kid who maced him. If he sprayed me in the face with pepper spray and then sat in his car I would grab him by the head and bounce his face off the steering wheel a few times. lol
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The guy was such a Vajayjay he didn't even swing at that other kid who maced him.
hahaha... vajayjay
i think he said to keep it off the internet because he doesn't want anyone seeing him wet his pants.
the guy that maced him is pretty chubby though. i think it was by far in his best interest to mace and flee the seen. sorry to hate on chubby guys, but most i've met are video game nerds than have no socail skills to stand up for themselves and no physical skills to defend themselves... just like a lot of the engineers i work with...
seriously though, if you pull a gun on someone, what if trhey're crazy enough to pull a gun on you, and they start to fire? and you're wife or g/f, or kid are whoever is in the middle of it? people are out of their minds these days, I wouldn't start the fire if I dont I can control it.
if you have to pull a gun because some cornball gets in your face and says "hit me" then you are a pussy
dude would of got laid out with a left jab for real
... and OP did you really pepper spray him? or is that not you? LOL
pepper spray LMAO
if you have to pull a gun because some cornball gets in your face and says "hit me" then you are a pussy
dude would of got laid out with a left jab for real
... and OP did you really pepper spray him? or is that not you? LOL
pepper spray LMAO
That was not what I meant, but I bet if that dude had not maced him Cobra guy would have struck him.
The number one rule is to remember equal or lesser force. That is what most courts will rule by, was the force excessive. The night I pulled my gun (and the only time I have), I made it 100% clear that the guy had a choice to live or die. Guns aren't for pussies, if they are then I guess you are calling everyone of our founding fathers pussies.
I have had a fist fight or two. A gun is a last resort only if their is imminent danger.
I partially agree with just about everyone, and I think everyone agrees when we say that you should use equal or one step above equal force.
Pepper spray was smart becuase it is much less likely that the OP could get charged with assult vs if he hit that Cobra Jackass. I could see a court stating unreasonable escalation to the OP (if he had swung) even with the provoked situation.
Dr. Duct, you said your friend is in Delta Force, where is his duty station?
That was not what I meant, but I bet if that dude had not maced him Cobra guy would have struck him.
The number one rule is to remember equal or lesser force. That is what most courts will rule by, was the force excessive. The night I pulled my gun (and the only time I have), I made it 100% clear that the guy had a choice to live or die. Guns aren't for pussies, if they are then I guess you are calling everyone of our founding fathers pussies.
I have had a fist fight or two. A gun is a last resort only if their is imminent danger.
hey can you PM me about that permit, how'd you get one? they are hard as hell to get in LA county.
edit: I watched that thing again, what an idiot.
In a way that video is fuckign hilarious!!!!!
What on earth is that guy so riled up about., Man thats hilarious. Interesting also that the guy said something like
Now that this thread is about carrying, let me add that when you're carrying, the last thing you want to do is get in a fist fight. They can get ahold of your gun if you're grappling or if you find yourself unconscious on the ground.
Also, when you carry, you have to leave your pride at home. "Your Honor, I didn't want to look like a pussy" doesn't fly in court. Carrying mace as well isn't a bad idea, but you have to know when and when not to use it. You have no obligation to use non-deadly force when your life is in danger. And if you have to shoot, be damn sure your shots land on target. You don't want your attacker to have a contradictory story, and I don't want to pay for their room and board in prison. This concludes my discussion on carrying.
I'll have to listen to this louder when I get home from work, but with picture and quiet sound, this cobra guy seems like a real class act. I wish he got a better shot of mace though.
I have had a fist fight or two. A gun is a last resort only if their is imminent danger.
so you call a screaming cracker that wants to sound like hes from the hood 'imminent danger?'
come on...
i carry, and i know when and why id have to pull on someone. a situation where someone is yelling for that long without doing something would just have me laughing, or getting ready to box, not threaten his life
I have a little bottle (1.5 oz) of First Defense pepper spray.
"Same identical product used by New York and Los Angeles Police Departments and many others. Flip top, Stream spray pattern with range of up to 15 feet.
Formula uses food grade oleoresin capsicum in a 5% concentration. Capsaicin and related capsaicinoids are 0.18%."
I got sprayed with this shit and it really doesn't hit you til about 10-15 seconds into it, by then it has worked its way into your eyes, thats why you always try and spray acrosse the eyes so if it goes a little high, it will drip right back down into their eyes. Most likely if the guy is really pissed he might shrugg it off for the first 15 seconds or so, but if he's one big mother ****** you can just stand your ground for then, and wait till he eyes are so damn watery he wont see the punches coming, assuming he is still coming after you.
First of all, you should only be pulling your weapon to use it. If you're just "displaying" it, the situation does not call for the use of a gun. And even if you have a permit, you can still get in a lot of trouble for displaying the weapon if the situation doesn't call for displaying it. Pretty sure it's a felony in most states too. At the very least you will have your permit revoked.
Secondly, if you're going to shoot someone, your life or someone else's life HAS to be jeopardy. If it's not, you will be going to jail for a long time. Oh and regardless of self defense or not... you will get the piss sued out of you.
Finally, many states have retreat laws. You are obligated to try and retreat before using deadly force (unless you are in your own home or it's not possible to retreat).
What exactly am I wrong about? Also, Laws very from state to state. Pretty sure mine applies for most if not all states. Only fact that I said was the fact that you are madee aware of laws and regulations when you get the permit and that someone has to make a
In other words, if you carry a gun, only pull it if you are in a life or death situation.
What exactly am I wrong about? Also, Laws very from state to state. Pretty sure mine applies for most if not all states. Only fact that I said was the fact that you are madee aware of laws and regulations when you get the permit and that you have to have a lawful reason to pull it.
I think differently.. I wish all people could be shot that are a retard to man kind like the idiot in that video.. I would actually wish that people like that would have to drink bug-be-gone until they fall over and drop.
so you call a screaming cracker that wants to sound like hes from the hood 'imminent danger?'
come on...
i carry, and i know when and why id have to pull on someone. a situation where someone is yelling for that long without doing something would just have me laughing, or getting ready to box, not threaten his life
I would of quick jabbed when he had his hands high screaming, To set up for the strong right hook to follow.. It would of been all she wrote.
First off, I just want to say that don't think that Utah is all like this because of this video. We're not all retarded rednecks.
As far as the fighting situation, I don't think that fat guy was scared as he didn't back down or even flinch. I think it wise that he didn't hit him right there (irregardless of who would've actually won the fight between the two) because it looked like he was alone and the retarded hillbilly had like 10 friends. I'm all for letting 2 people fight it out fairly, win or lose, whether they're my friend or not, but not all people share my same fighting ethics. For all the fat guy knows redneck's 10 friends jump him the second he hits the loudmouth. He didn't back down, and maced him. I though it was a funny, interesting way to handle it lol.
Here's some links to this dude's crazy ramblings on local boards (warning: don't start clicking the links unless you have time and patience to read through pages and pages of incoherent, capitalized run-on sentances. They're addicting because they get you wondering what the loon is going to say next.)
There's a simple solution to Tools like that. Walk away. Punch first and you can be had for Assault. Pull a gun and you're an idiot. I've carried for 5 years and have encountered many situations where most E-Thug's woulda pulled their gat and busted a Cap. Know what i did? Walked away. pride aint worth shit, Integrity and being the bigger man Is.
Unfortunately those who talk about pulling their piece on someone "ackinafool" have never had to take a life to preserve their own. It's not a cool feeling, even when that action was completely necessary. It will haunt you for Years down the road.
There was a few times that my friend Derrik & I saw his buddies driving around town without him and whenever they saw me they all put their heads down and pretended not to see me. Do you think they were embarrassed to have lost, or embarrassed to be a part of Waldo's posse?
I remember that. Too funny. Every time we drove past them they put their tails between their legs and went the other way.
I loved it when Waldo talked trash on the audi's in front of everyone then got it handed to him later. That was great. This guy is for real.
Pulling a gun is a terrible idea IMO. Firstly, assult doesn't require that you touch someone. The only thing you have to do is convince a judge or jury that you were in fear for your safety or life. Trust me, my brother is doing time right now on that note. Now, without the camera, the mustang guy and all his bitch friends could probably make you out to be the aggressor, which would be a huge problem, especially if you pulled a gun. Furthermore, IMO, you don't pull a gun unless you NEED to shoot it. If you pull it you're only asking someone else to shoot YOU in their own "self defense" I'm no anti gun nazi, but I think guns are over pulled and over played. I managed a nightclub and had bullets fly mere feet from my head. It will put the fear in you. Nobody really deserves to DIE just because they have a chemical imbalance in their brains. Maybe life behind bars, maybe even the death penalty, but nobody deserves to die by the actions of one other person IMO.
What exactly am I wrong about? Also, Laws very from state to state. Pretty sure mine applies for most if not all states. Only fact that I said was the fact that you are madee aware of laws and regulations when you get the permit and that you have to have a lawful reason to pull it.
I'm well aware state law differs, however when it comes to the use of deadly force in self defense, states either follow common law or the model penal code. And both of those are very similar. Thus the law as it relates to the use of deadly force is the same or similar in every state.
You stated that you "wouldn't hesitate to pull on someone if I or someone I was with felt threatened" and "Once the person/persons make an approch after you pull the firearm, its game on and the shells begin to fly." You would be charged with murder. Plain and simple.
You can only pull a weapon on someone if your life is threatened. If someone is in your face, yelling at you and jumping around that is NOT justification to pull a gun on them. You will be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. That is because they are threatening you with non-deadly force (fists are not generally considered deadly). By pulling a gun you are now countering non-deadly force with deadly force. You have escalated the situation and you are now threatening their life. You will be charged with assault and you are also precluded from claiming self defense. So yes, you will be charged with assault for "displaying" your gun unless your life is threatened.
If you pull your gun and the person approaches you (and they don't have a deadly weapon of their own) and you shoot and kill them, you will be charged with murder. They are threatening you with non-deadly force. You can't use deadly force against them. End of story. Applies to every state.
So like I said before... you can only pull your gun in a life or death situation. You can only use your gun in a life or death situation. So only pull your gun when you absolutely need to use it and make damn sure your life is in jeopardy.
On a more practical note, having a concealed weapon gives you the advantage of suprise. Why would you want to give that up by "displaying" the weapon? It will only give them the opportunity to disarm you or pull their own weapon.
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