FAQ: VR6 -12V & 24V Info sharing

[Haenszel20v]

How much would a shop most likely,charge to put a vr6-t into,my 00 a4 2.8?? I would read the whole thread but my house caught on fire n my laptop went with my room.. And im on audizine through my. Phone

I'm gonna say to do it right, with all the bells and whistles, you'll probably be over $20k with labor. And sorry to hear about the house.... I've been there. its the worst :(

[S4orgy]

Thanks, how long does it take for insurance to start replacing stuff like laptops,and other non clothing items that were burnt

[Haenszel20v]

Thanks, how long does it take for insurance to start replacing stuff like laptops,and other non clothing items that were burnt

Oh god, I don't even remember. It was in '99. I know we lived in a hotel for 6 months while they essentially rebuilt the house though.

[S4orgy]

That's exactly whats going on now roof is almost done and they finished the plumbing abd wiring

[NYEuroTuner]

O.k.. I finally made it home. Greetings from the west..lol

[Sales@RAI]

the swap is done on your car?

[NYEuroTuner]

Thanks, how long does it take for insurance to start replacing stuff like laptops,and other non clothing items that were burnt

Glad to hear no one got hurt.

I also had a house fire in 07...

Mine was a Total loss, rebuild/restoration depends on what kind of insurance you have. We had the best policy available in NY with ALLState, everything was covered from contents(tv,couchs,furniture, apliances,etc) to food for the first 6 weeks after the fire.. And since I dohave a large family, our package from allstate also paid for our temp rented house while our original home was being rebuilt.

And we recieved the "contents" money about 6 months after the fire, the value of thes items will depends soley on your Adjuster, hire a private one!!!! always good to have a private adjuster give a second opinion to the adjuster that the insurance company sends out!!

But to answer your question, after all the building departments approvals, and inspections, and re inpections and getting our CO (certificate of occupancy).. etc, total time it took for our house to be ready for us to move in was about 16 months.

I wish you the best, if you have any more questions about this topic, you can PM me if you like.

[NYEuroTuner]

the swap is done on your car?

No not yet, car needs alot more loving.. Now that Ive mad it home, give me a couple weeks to get settled, and then once I start turning the wrenchs again, ill start posting pics.

[Styleprojekt]

OK I read the whole thread and still have not seen any progress on B6 Level. So far less than a handful of B5 people have done/are doing the swap as well as a Utah guy in older Audis, correct? (In this thread at least)

- Is anybody currently doing the swap in a B6?
- Does anyone have any info on how mounts would have to be made? (can any existing mounts to be used/modified) for 24v VR6 in a B6?
- What has been proven to be the most effective management way so far? I only saw Stand alone in Justins car as of now?
Lots of people saying you can make the harness match up with some work? Would this also be as do-able on a B6?
- I saw the issue of the Cam sensors being brought up, would there be any difference between using a 1.8T (B6) platform opposed to a 3.0?

[NYCVR6]

the swap is done on your car?

Everybody's been talking about it, but nobody got it done like i did. A month start to finish, no weekend work, and still working my job (although it was a little slow at the time)..

[Issam@INA]

Just to update this,
I will have a full harness & ECU done by MAY2010.
Thats when the swap will be completed and the S4 ECU & harness tune will be available.
Testing will start in MARCH2010

George whats your new # mAlaka!?

[NYEuroTuner]

George whats your new # mAlaka!?

Call you in a couple days kiddo.

[Issam@INA]

Call you in a couple days kiddo.

Call me tonight
waiting for your call

[Sigma 3]

Just to update this,
I will have a full harness & ECU done by MAY2010.
Thats when the swap will be completed and the S4 ECU & harness tune will be available.
Testing will start in MARCH2010

George whats your new # mAlaka!?

What about a b5 a4? can this harness be used for that as well?

[Issam@INA]

What about a b5 a4? can this harness be used for that as well?

Yes

[Sigma 3]

Yes

Such a tease. Any troubles with the five speed (2.8) in terms of how much they can take.? I would like to get the 6 speed but in the case that one cant be found at a decent price I need to know my options. PM me the list of parts you have, or will have and a price please. TIA

[Issam@INA]

Such a tease. Any troubles with the five speed (2.8) in terms of how much they can take.? I would like to get the 6 speed but in the case that one cant be found at a decent price I need to know my options. PM me the list of parts you have, or will have and a price please. TIA

01A will support roughly roughly 450whp without breaking into bits.SHould be enough for a VR6.

[Haenszel20v]

01A will support roughly roughly 450whp without breaking into bits.SHould be enough for a VR6.

Not really. I went through 3 01a's in 3 weeks(literally) on 20psi on the 1.8. One of them was at about 80mph it tore up 4th gear. The car never put down over 400, not even 375 at that boost level.

I would HIGHLY suggest swapping to an 01e before doing this swap. It's 100% worth it if you use the 01a shifter with it.

[Issam@INA]

Not really. I went through 3 01a's in 3 weeks(literally) on 20psi on the 1.8. One of them was at about 80mph it tore up 4th gear. The car never put down over 400, not even 375 at that boost level.

I would HIGHLY suggest swapping to an 01e before doing this swap. It's 100% worth it if you use the 01a shifter with it.

Of course an 01E goes without saying but I made over 440whp on my 01A before I decided to give the 01E a shot.
What were you doing with yours? Was it the original A4 box?

[CRAIG1MACK]

OK I read the whole thread and still have not seen any progress on B6 Level. So far less than a handful of B5 people have done/are doing the swap as well as a Utah guy in older Audis, correct? (In this thread at least)

- Is anybody currently doing the swap in a B6?
I'm swapping a 24v VR6 into my 2002 A4 Quattro 3.0L / 6MT.

- Does anyone have any info on how mounts would have to be made? (can any existing mounts to be used/modified) for 24v VR6 in a B6?
Not sure yet. I'll post up my mounts once complete.

- What has been proven to be the most effective management way so far? I only saw Stand alone in Justins car as of now?


Lots of people saying you can make the harness match up with some work? Would this also be as do-able on a B6?
This is the route I'm going to try. Will post my findings.

- I saw the issue of the Cam sensors being brought up, would there be any difference between using a 1.8T (B6) platform opposed to a 3.0?
Don't know yet.

[NYEuroTuner]

^ Me Likey

[nefkntym]

^^^^Me too, I would love to know more about a VR in a B6.

Is the A4 6sp an 01E?

[Alkivar]

if anyone in New England is serious about getting this swap done and doesn't have the skills... my mechanic has put a VRT into all sorts of places it doesn't belong... f*cker could make you a VRT riding mower if you paid him enough.

be glad to refer you if interested... pm me.

[solowb5.1]

The a4 6 spd isn't a 01E

[Marios C4]

people how about a Inline 5 2.2L swap in the B5 S4 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????? what you guys think about that ?????????????

[wdbdy2000s4]

^there is a thread discussing this right next to this one.

[NYEuroTuner]

^^^^Me too, I would love to know more about a VR in a B6.

Is the A4 6sp an 01E?

x2 Indeed, would love to see a VR6 powered B6 ripping up a track. And the A4 6spd is not 01E to my knowledge.

BTW, hows Colorado treating you? Heard you guys got some more snow lately.

[Issam@INA]

BUMP
Please ask all questions in this thread.If you are PM'ing me asking me questions that I know I have answered before then please just take 5 minutes to read this thread over.If you are asking "what do I need" then this swap isnt for you.

[nefkntym]

Been treating us pretty good. Got a little bit of snow here. Not quite as much as Western Colorado did. B6 would still be good info, but I pulled the trigger a B5 S4 this past Saturday.

[Ldiaz12]

Sorry aBout that Issam just read through and I got the answers to my question. Thanks

[URHank]

I would guess later. It's probably a revision or "improvement" vw did, and this is a 99 vr6... so that would make some sense.

EDIT. It bolted straight to the GEARBOX without an issue, but it woudlnt' mate to the engine without grinding the webbing on the timing cover. Then once I bolted the adapter on all was good, then went to mate up the trans and it was sort of "teetering" on the timing cover, not allowing a flush mount. Really probably about 1/4cm needed to be cut out to make it clear, i cut out about 1/2cm just to be sure. It's not a big deal, as there's no mounting bolts there. Took an extra half hour or so to get the whole thing sorted out.

Hey, I am contributing some info I learned today. I pulled an 0bd2 out of a Jan 2000 build date Jetta today(well actually, it as already pulled, I just had to put it in the wheel cart.. gotta love 12v motors. 85$ out the door)

It had this timing cover on it(the left cleaned up one.)







I didnt have time to put it on with the adapter plate and bolt it up to an 01e or an 016, but it appears to be the solution to not having to grind the webing off the older 12v covers, and then having to grind a section off the tranny. It is pretty neat as the new cover seems to complete the o1e flange that was missing on the adapter plate. My guess is that audi/vw did it to work with the vr5 in Europe with one casting.

Anyway, somebody with more vr6 knowledge can probably chime in and tell me what years exactly will have that part.

Swap is getting close.









And for the 12v haters, this guy is making 540whp with a 42r on E85 using a stock engine... completely. Stock CR, stock longblock, stock hardware, and a bigass turbo(tuned with a nice standalone) Dollar for Dollar, the 12v is hard to beat.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...169614&page=11


Hank

[URHank]

I confirmed all that above mating the adapter to the engine and 01e. It is the way to not have to grind everything and make it plug and play.

Hank

[Haenszel20v]

good stuff Hank.

[NYEuroTuner]

Nice.

[URHank]

Getting closer. All the oil lines/waterlines are run, engine is in for good, exhaust is at 100% with the tial valve, Fuel rail is done and lines almost done. and still loving all the room the vr6 provides. It is nice to be able to get to everything with such ease. There is no hard to get at spot on the entire engine.

THe IIc got sent back to get the new firmware from 034MS and should be back in time for startup then. Turbo has changed for the last time. 75lb injectors with a 35r on e85 should make some good power.

Ground up Custom radiator is almost done, IC is ordered, heat wrap lines, and finish up some wiring and vroom vroom. We will probably have to do -8an lines all the way back before turning up the wick for the goal of 500whp/500tq, but at that point we will have to throw in an 01e for longevity reasons.







Hank

[emenny81]

Forget GT set ups...this is a chalk and cheese comparison.How many labour hours you need to even TOUCH a turbocharger on an S4?
You know how many hours on a VR6? ..... 15 MINUTES.

This is insane....

[URHank]

This is insane....

Yes, here lies the beauty. One could easily daily drive a vr6 car with a mild 35r tune, get to the track and throw a 42r on for kicks and giggles. This is more or less what 034ms is doing at these mag showdowns. They use the 35r with a billet wheel for the road course and then swap over to the 42r for the drag and dyno events. When changing a turbo is like putting in new injectors, or checking spark plug color, it is easy to do.

I could literally have a turbo swapped in under 15 minutes. I joke with a coworker that it would be fun to have a hitch on the car and pull up to a track event with consumeables such as tires, a drum of e85, and a spare longblock inspected and ready to throw in. If one blows in a long weekend event, you are 2 hours tops of having a new motor in with fluid and back on track.

Whats the going rate for a 2.7tt engine complete on the market right now?? :) :) :)

[Haenszel20v]

This is insane....

Not really, it's just that the s4 setup is retarded as far as a maintenance aspect. Many many other cars are just as easy as this.


Also, my first start is tonight :) neener neener.

[URHank]

Also, my first start is tonight :) neener neener.

Good work!!!!!! I am in complete envy.....

Making 8 of everything has held me up a bit :)

Hank

[Haenszel20v]

Good work!!!!!! I am in complete envy.....

Making 8 of everything has held me up a bit :)

Hank

yeah i saw an intake manifold you sent to a friend in buffalo, looks good. And no worry, I made 3 intake manifolds, but they were all revision development. Only 1 final product.