FAQ: VR6 -12V & 24V Info sharing

[GURUMAN]

But what's weird is that my fx850 withch basically is a Quartermaster clutch from Clutchmasters got better and better after all these races.

It started as you describe undriveable, on off switch, but slowly got better nfrom a race to an other.

At the moment, if you put the pedal pressure out of the equation, it has a friction point like a stage 1 clutch and is smooth a butter ????

I know it dosent make sense...

[Big Boost]

I completely disagree.. See my post above.. It was either pony up for the best clutch or hate driving the car with a sintered iron twin, or worry about the clutch slipping with some BS standard single disc.... We have gotten single disc clutches to hold 600+ whp on VR's but they were dual diaphragm, so the pedal was heavy as shit, and that was on way lighter volkswagens. This clutch i have now, pedal is soft like stock.. Like i said i tried to look back and see if i thought it was a waste of money, i personally think it was the best money i may have spent on this setup.. That or the ballin billet precision 6765..

Maybe you misunderstood me. I AGREE with you. Yes, it is a $5K package, but for my intentions, it will be a worthwhile investment. I'm just trying to get a grip on having to spend that much.

[NYCVR6]

Maybe you misunderstood me. I AGREE with you. Yes, it is a $5K package, but for my intentions, it will be a worthwhile investment. I'm just trying to get a grip on having to spend that much.

Ah gotcha.. It's definitely worth it.. Best clutch ive ever driven..

[NYCVR6]

But what's weird is that my fx850 withch basically is a Quartermaster clutch from Clutchmasters got better and better after all these races.

It started as you describe undriveable, on off switch, but slowly got better nfrom a race to an other.

At the moment, if you put the pedal pressure out of the equation, it has a friction point like a stage 1 clutch and is smooth a butter ????

I know it dosent make sense...

You dont have a sintered iron twin though. The fx850 is a twin kevlar 8.5 in clutch.. We dont have that option yet for the vr's.. Not to mention, id hate the stiff pedal, and have never really been a fan of kevlas discs.. But i would have definitely considered it had it been available for this application. I understand what you're saying by the way.

[O2VW1.8T]

The tilton carbon carbon setup is Just under $4000.. Plus $850 or so for the flywheel. Im running it in my car now, best clutch ive ever driven. Feels like stock, very streetable.

http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=18994

http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=18990

Damn that expensive, I really want to do this one so i'll just save up the money i guess. I had the FX700 in my gti and man that was like a one/off switch and just a pain if i had to daily drive the car.. Its all depending, If i do the VR swap in my 88 90q then its getting the 1300 dollar clutch if my B6 its the carbon one

Which brackets?

Motor mount brackets for the 12v

Would these work in a B6 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=14000

[Big Boost]

Ah gotcha.. It's definitely worth it.. Best clutch ive ever driven..

No doubt. You are ballin' though. I'm just sayin'.

[GURUMAN]

You dont have a sintered iron twin though. The fx850 is a twin kevlar 8.5 in clutch.. We dont have that option yet for the vr's.. Not to mention, id hate the stiff pedal, and have never really been a fan of kevlas discs.. But i would have definitely considered it had it been available for this application. I understand what you're saying by the way.

Mine is, twin ceramic... that's why it dosent make sense...

[Issam@INA]

Damn that expensive, I really want to do this one so i'll just save up the money i guess. I had the FX700 in my gti and man that was like a one/off switch and just a pain if i had to daily drive the car.. Its all depending, If i do the VR swap in my 88 90q then its getting the 1300 dollar clutch if my B6 its the carbon one

Motor mount brackets for the 12v

Would these work in a B6 http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=14000

Not if you want to rattle your teeth to shit.

[O2VW1.8T]

Not if you want to rattle your teeth to shit.

How so doesn't this bolt up to the stock engine mounts

[Issam@INA]

How so doesn't this bolt up to the stock engine mounts

No,the brackets from 034 bolt up to the aluminum base that the engine mount sits on.

[Evilevo]

Mine is, twin ceramic... that's why it dosent make sense...

Do you know what the ASP Tilton is? I dont remember off the top of my head. Not sure if i ever knew either

[NYCVR6]

Do you know what the ASP Tilton is? I dont remember off the top of my head. Not sure if i ever knew either

Sintered iron twin 7".. It sucks to drive..

[Evilevo]

Sintered iron twin 7".. It sucks to drive..

You know what the Exedy Twin HD for the Evo is? I had that in my Evo and it was pretty easy to drive

[GURUMAN]

Difference from 7.25 inch to 8.5 inch is night and day when compared

[NYCVR6]

You know what the Exedy Twin HD for the Evo is? I had that in my Evo and it was pretty easy to drive

I think they are cerametallic.. (not a real word, but that's what they use)

[CRAIG1MACK]

No,the brackets from 034 bolt up to the aluminum base that the engine mount sits on.

What is the proper mounting solution for the B6?

[Issam@INA]

What is the proper mounting solution for the B6?

Which engine? 12V or 24V?

[CRAIG1MACK]

Which engine? 12V or 24V?

24V

[Evilevo]

Sintered iron twin 7".. It sucks to drive..

Ehh, whatever. Ill deal with it. I dont think it will be that bad. I was used to reving the Evo to like 2k anyway.

[CRAIG1MACK]

Surge tank with fuel pump mounted


Most everything is done. Just need to finish back half of exhaust and tie up loose ends.

+1 Rep. Thanks for taking this on and helping the rest of us!

[Issam@INA]

24V

Look @ what Justin has
that is what you will need for the B6.

[CRAIG1MACK]

Look @ what Justin has
that is what you will need for the B6.

Could you list the items that you sell to help support the 24v swap into a 2002 A4 Quattro, 3L, 6spd?
Please include item description and price.

I believe it's trans adapter, clutch, flywheel and wiring - but I'd just like to be sure.


Also, what products are in the works that would help support the B6 swap? How close are they to being available?

[CRAIG1MACK]

+1 Rep to Issam. This swap is the best news ever for us B6 3.0 guys.

[NYEuroTuner]

+1 Rep to Issam. This swap is the best news ever for us B6 3.0 guys.

And B5 guys

Well at least it is for me..lol

[calvin1.8t]

i wanna do a VR6 swap in my 2.8. anyone ever do that before? kinda dumb question but if i do the vr swap i can still have it quattro right?

[Matador]

i wanna do a VR6 swap in my 2.8. anyone ever do that before? kinda dumb question but if i do the vr swap i can still have it quattro right?

Um, dude, read the previous 14 pages.

[calvin1.8t]

Um, dude, read the previous 14 pages.

lol shit. never done a swap before or looked into it. i wanna do something sick. im thinking 5 cylinder A4 turbo. could it be done. maybe even a 2.0t swap.

[NYEuroTuner]

lol shit. never done a swap before or looked into it. i wanna do something sick. im thinking 5 cylinder A4 turbo. could it be done. maybe even a 2.0t swap.

With money, anything is possible..

[solowb5]

I hate when people ask 'can it be done?'
I mean hell. There are chicks walking around with dicks.
Of course it can be done.

[NYEuroTuner]

^ Nice avatar.

[wdbdy2000s4]

lol shit. never done a swap before or looked into it. i wanna do something sick. im thinking 5 cylinder A4 turbo. could it be done. maybe even a 2.0t swap.

...yes

[Issam@INA]

I believe it's trans adapter, clutch, flywheel and wiring - but I'd just like to be sure.

* Oil Pan
* Engine Mount brackets - 24V
* Engine Mounts
* Transmission Mounts
* starter motor
* Pressure Plate
* Clutch
* Flywheel
* manifolds

If you are serious about a B6 swap send me a PM.

[O2VW1.8T]

Issam you should make motor mounts for the 12v also, I know each time you convince me to go 24v but for some reason i want to do the 12v. I want to keep the engine simple.. There has to be a way to bolt up the a/c compressor and make the engine mount for the drivers side.. I emailed chris green and he said a/c should be able to work.....

[NYEuroTuner]

Issam you should make motor mounts for the 12v also, I know each time you convince me to go 24v but for some reason i want to do the 12v. I want to keep the engine simple.. There has to be a way to bolt up the a/c compressor and make the engine mount for the drivers side.. I emailed chris green and he said a/c should be able to work.....

What is the reason you want to go 12v instead of 24valve?

[Matador]

What is the reason you want to go 12v instead of 24valve?

x2

With the 24v block you can use the R32 head, which will outflow the 12v like a mofo.

[CRAIG1MACK]

* Oil Pan
* Engine Mount brackets - 24V
* Engine Mounts
* Transmission Mounts
* starter motor
* Pressure Plate
* Clutch
* Flywheel
* manifolds

If you are serious about a B6 swap send me a PM.

What is the price for 24v B6 engine brackets/mounts? Do you have pictures? When will they be available on 034?

[O2VW1.8T]

What is the reason you want to go 12v instead of 24valve?

Proven to make insane power, simple 12 valves and i can find 12v's everywhere. I can't find 1 local 24v for less then 2500 but 12v's can be found for stupid cheap

x2

With the 24v block you can use the R32 head, which will outflow the 12v like a mofo.

anything can outflow the 12v head. But yet it still made over 800awhp on e85

[NYEuroTuner]

Proven to make insane power, simple 12 valves and i can find 12v's everywhere. I can't find 1 local 24v for less then 2500 but 12v's can be found for stupid cheap

Bought my 24 valve for 1500 w/ harness with less than 70k miles. Just be patient, and you'll find one.

anything can outflow the 12v head. But yet it still made over 800awhp on e85

Yes Chris greens 12v made over 800 awhp....But do you even know how much work/money was thrown at that motor to make such power?

Nothing is wrong with the 12 valve, but unless you own your own shop or just hit the lotto, I dont see you making 800 awhp.. Green built a shop car, ask him how many Hours of labor, parts, and custom work went into his VrS4, and I bet you'll shit yourself when you hear his answer.

Save yourself the headache, buy a 24valve, and call it a day. Flows better, and like it was said couple posts before me, you can attach the R32 head as well.

[O2VW1.8T]

Yeah im looking i would like to go 24v for sure. Well see hopefully after the holidays i can make my B6 a vr6.

[NYEuroTuner]

Yeah im looking i would like to go 24v for sure. Well see hopefully after the holidays i can make my B6 a vr6.

A little piece of advice for motor shopping, dont only look local, look out of state or a few hours away as well.


I currently live in Queens and drove 6 hours to Rochester to get my Vr6.



Locally every VR6 for sale was either abused, or really expensive.