Lightweight pulley installed and Intake spacers..

[B6guy42]

Since I decided to cancel the build, (as so many members suggested - THANK YOU) I put on the spacers, and ported the heads, as well as put on JH Motorsports Lightweight pulley. I have to say this. SAVED 19K on a build that had no guarantees! First impressions were incredible. The spacers and the ported heads gave the motor bay a growl that I have never heard before. I will say this.....Picked up the car on Friday, and of course 3 weeks without the car and driving my 2.slow would enlighten anyone's mood. I could care less if the 2.0 has bluetooth, my blue S4 has POWER and RECARO's!!! Ok well here it is. As they were putting the motor back together, the spacers were NOT cut to fit on the intake manifold. They were not cut in the back where the timing cases were, they were just straight cut. (THIS WAS NOT DONE BY JAY!!!! I ordered these through VAST Performance, and THEY called JAY to send him the correct cut ones, which he overnighted, saving me more hours of labor on the car sitting there. The pulley's side by side OMG the difference in weight that the crank has to push is rediculous. NIGHT AND DAY. I brought the pulley to my machine shop and it was "PERFECTLY BALANCED with no couter weights needed" JAY wanted to make sure before I put it on..(he had previously been told, but wanted a second opinion which shows what a guy he really is, TRUTHFUL)

NOW for the results.

NO I do not have a before and after dyno for the car, so you will have to take my word for it. I was already out too much time without the car, and didn't want to be out longer and make Audi pay for me to go dyno the car.

First of all, the car PULLS when ESP is off, spins all four easily. Seems like big TQ gains to me, and you can definitely feel it. The car starts rough because of the larger ports and I don't have it tuned yet (besides for the APR download which is the wrong info) Sending out the unit to Jay for the tuning. The spacers make a HUGE difference in the volumetric efficiency of airflow. it feels like air is being crammed in there quicker than the motor can take it (should have done the cams, but hey theres always next time.) I timed the car (stopwatch time) and I run straight to redline (I am autotragic) before switching, and reach 60 by 4.9. I know its not a 0-60 race, but we did but dyno the car and it RUNS up top. 60-120 feels like nothing. I need a tune and cams, and this car will DEFINITELY break 12's if not mid 12's. Ran a couple of SRT8's up top and neck and neck until 120 where I started to pull on them. (2 1 Jeep and 1 Charger) shut it down at 150 (CLOSED AREA with people I KNOW)

END RESULTS>
The pulley is worth EVERY PENNY that Jay wants for it. He knows how to free up the V8 rotating weight wise, and can probably come out with enough stuff to get this car into STG 3 B5 times sooner than later. I am only waiting for the headers to come and then its ON.

To Jay:
Thanks for guiding me in the right direction here. Its greatly appreciated and if you need another car to TEST something out on (WINK WINK) LET ME KNOW. THE PULLEY is GREAT, you can definitely tell the difference butt dyno, NO QUESTION about it. The motor feels like it wants to jump out of the car.
Whatever you decide to charge for that pulley, the members should defintiely pay, its quality is unbelievable, and the performance you get from it is unreal. I had a pully set on my I35, and couldn't feel a thing, THIS THING YOU FEEL no question about it!!> Of course it's coupled witht he spacers and head port, but I need a tune also. Hopefully I am around 310AWHP/310TQ by now. I have no clue until i dyno the car, but alsoo going ot order your lightweight rotors to shed some rotating weight. THANK YOU JAY, you are a great guy to deal with.

[Bpitz15]

Very interesting post!! very informative. Do you have any plans to dyno??

and once again I <3 JHM!

[drew]

my head hurts reading that but congrats i guess lol

[chaos2984]

now what did they do to the heads. Im assuming they took them off the motor since you were without your car for 3 weeks. Now whose intake spacers did you go with What other mods do you have

[B6guy42]

Very interesting post!! very informative. Do you have any plans to dyno??

and once again I <3 JHM!

Yes I have plans to dyno the car but not for at least 3 weeks. I need to get the air out faster, go figure. She runs rough (not too rough) but runs rough. I would assume the basically brand new motor has alot to do with it also!! Frikin 4 timing chains, all new guides tensioners, seals, gaskets, etc etc. but the headwork was done RIGHT!!!! the pulley is INCREDIBLE. This wasn't even Jay's mistake that these spacers weren't cut right, BUT he got the dealer a set the next morning by 10:30AM so that I could get the motor back in and the car done before the weekend. The stock pulley in my left hand and the lightweight in my right hand WOW what a difference!!! PLUS the quality of the machining on the pulley was incredible. Perfectly balanced (the stock one uses counterweights which are hard to offset with ONE peice) and he did it! its sooooo light and durable..unbelievable!!!! Jay is the man, making up for others mistakes, and creating products for this car that there is a huge market for now.

[pinkslip]

Good call on not having those guys do a build. The second I read "low comp pistons" I was thinking WTF?! Good news on the butt dyno results. But I question your aspirations on power numbers. You'd have to be outperforming an RS4 to get 310hp/yw to the ground. Maybe after headers a tune, and full exhaust.

Btw, many people have expressed criticism about cams for this motor. I'd ask Jason what he's heard about them before pulling the trigger.

[40valve]

What's the pulley install like?

[B6guy42]

now what did they do to the heads. Im assuming they took them off the motor since you were without your car for 3 weeks. Now whose intake spacers did you go with What other mods do you have

FULLY ported, and yes they were off the car and sent out. The three week time frame was also including the R+I of the motor to do the timing chains and gears guides etc....I have JHM intake spacers on the car now. The other mods I have are AWE resonated cat back, straight pipe with VAST CEL eliminators, Disc italia Custom drilled rotors (heavy as sin) Carabino, bypasss mod, and one custom thing done. Now I have the spacers, the pulley, and the heads ported. Oh I also have the APR download.

[B6guy42]

What's the pulley install like?

Couldn't tell you, I had the motor out of the car, but you can get to it by taking just the nose off with the proper tools I guess. I am not tech here.

As far as making 300AWHP, I am just assuming it is. ALOT of other people have hit 260 with older bolt ons and no tune, so just taking a guess.

[speedydragon]

vids of the sounds!

[Robrich23]

vids of the sounds!

+1

[bsrpilot44]

Jesus every time I click on a thread it seems as if JHM is coming out with some new almighty power maker for our cars. The only question I have is why didn't any of the other tuners do this for our cars?

to JHM once again

-B

[chaos2984]

now the heads did they C&C the heads or just port the intake and exhaust runners out or did they also port the combustion chamer as well to match all of them

[MonkeyBiz]

$$$ estimate for the lightweight pulley from JHM?

[Devitan]

I am interested in seeing how much the ported heads helped. When my engine was rebuilt they just smoothed out the heads, not port them...I am kicking myself in the ass for it, but who knows.

[whartung]

Jesus every time I click on a thread it seems as if JHM is coming out with some new almighty power maker for our cars. The only question I have is why didn't any of the other tuners do this for our cars?

to JHM once again

-B

cause no one else cares as much.

In terms of the 300whp #'s. While not unreasonable, and not outperforming an RS4 (25% drivetrain loss means 400chp=300whp whereas the RS4 has 420chp), it is probably still a bit too high. Either way. This pulley sounds fantastic.

I think everyone on this forum should start pulling their engines and getting lightweight pulleys, flywheels, upgraded clutches, superchargers, and headers all installed in one clean R+I.

Then we'd get some respect from the B5ers

At least, thats what I fall asleep thinking about every night

[xzone909]

$$$ estimate for the lightweight pulley from JHM?

x2

[42of250]

just talked to jason at JHM and says they're doing some final oil testing just to make sure the cars run smoothly with the pulley so in the next month or two pulleys should be available to the public

[42of250]

[serumk]

Interesting.

[nimski62]

"spins all 4"

Sure.

[serumk]

"spins all 4"

Sure.

When he drops the clutch at 5K.

[pcasso87]

I want that pulley, i cant find it on the JHM web page, where can i buy it??

[DuncanC]

I want that pulley, i cant find it on the JHM web page, where can i buy it??

try reading the whole thread...

[antic]

I'm anxious for some actual numbers and more reviews...interesting, though.
to JHM for taking some initiative!

[UberDave]

"spins all 4"

Sure.

LOL, I was thinking the same thing...

[Mr. Corey]

cause no one else cares as much.



I think everyone on this forum should start pulling their engines and getting lightweight pulleys, flywheels, upgraded clutches, superchargers, and headers all installed in one clean R+I.
At least, thats what I fall asleep thinking about every night

Hell Yes

[earhythmic]

I'm anxious for some actual numbers and more reviews...interesting, though.
to JHM for taking some initiative!

"Eager" is the word you're looking for.

sorry..grammar police. That's my one pet peeve.

[fitzS4]

I think everyone on this forum should start pulling their engines and getting lightweight pulleys, flywheels, upgraded clutches, superchargers, and headers all installed in one clean R+I.

thats what im saying...im going to start a collection of parts for when my chain tensioners go..

[42of250]

We demand videos asap

[Bravest NY S4]

Shit, my engine is dropped right now and Tyrol-sport is waiting for a chain-timing device they ordered from Audi....
I'ma try and see if some "thangs" can get done while the S is having open heart surgery. We'll see

[Slobo7x]

I can't believe no one has made a lightweight pulley yet, it was by far the best bang for the buck on any car i've had.

I will be ordering one too I think, did you have to get a different belt? How is the RPM drop when shifting, is it faster?

[cabracco85]

"spins all 4"

Sure.

My car will spin all 4 just letting the clutch go at 2k. And if you dont beleive me since you are in IN you can come on out i will gladly show you. Look at the JHM video of the 13.03 runs and youll see that jay get that car sideways on the launch.

[cabracco85]

I can't believe no one has made a lightweight pulley yet, it was by far the best bang for the buck on any car i've had.

I will be ordering one too I think, did you have to get a different belt? How is the RPM drop when shifting, is it faster?

The pulley on this car is complicated so its not like just make a pulley and you will be set. It takes some time to do all the weights and get the pulley balanced. The stock pulley is weighted from the factory.

[Justincredible]

The pulley on this car is complicated so its not like just make a pulley and you will be set. It takes some time to do all the weights and get the pulley balanced. The stock pulley is weighted from the factory.

2nd this. The motor is externally balanced. This means that the factory needed to move some of the weight from the crank to the pulley on the front of the motor. So you can't just go and make a lightweight pulley it won't work. The time and money that went into this CLEARLY was well thought out.

If your interested E mail J. I just did he said I will be put on the list to get the next available sets. He said they have 4 pulleys that are getting tested on cars or is about to be installed and tested before they ship out any more

[B6guy42]

I am auto, so "dropping the clutch @ 5K" means nothing to me, and YES I can spin all four. Skeptical, wherever you are, you are more than welcome to run me @ Etown, or wherever for that matter. Quattro is a great system, but you can put power to spin them with no ESP on.

[B6guy42]

To answer you, Jay is putting together ALOT of things for our cars, but there is only 24 hours in a day. Why didn't other tuners come out with things? My guesstimate is that they did not have the knowledge, nor did they think that there was as big of a market as now. These cars were very pricey to begin with for the performance they were putting down IMO, but then again, it was not meant to be a strictly performance car. We have everything all around..luxury, class, performance, etc. And obviously people have changed their tune about me, otherwise no questions would have been asked to me...... I am just going by what is provided to me by people who supposedly know this car. Spins all four, guys, look at JHM's own car spinning all four on his launch, please don't count my car out spinning the four because he did it, and doesn't have as much work done YET. I am sure he is going to pull all the stunts to make sure our cars are faster, the headers as two other members know are being made....FACT!!!! They sound nuts on this car. Free flow and all. Jay should price these pulleys at 550.00 IN MY OPINION! The one I have on from him is TOP NOTCH QUALITY, it is not an Unorthodox Racing pulley, the craftsmanship and the finish are beautiful. I will try ad post pics up later IF I CAN GET A GOOD SHOT!!! It's hard to see it on the car (so close to the bay) but it definitely gave me alot of unexpected power. The butt dyno actually worked in this case! The heads, spacers, and the pulley are definitely 100WHP (joking) I would say CHP with the extra work that I had done, I am putting down close to 400CHP. I have one thing that I will NOT release until I have a proven dyno before and after otherwise I will get flamed, but I have one thing done that I am not listing. MAJOR PROPS to Jay because he made up for other people's mistakes (not bashing VAST, but it shouldn't have taken a genius to figure out that the spacers should be cut the same shape as the gasket!!!) And they had me waiting around for quite some time, called Jay up and since Jay knows me, he sent them overnight to me didn't charge me for the other company's mistake either!!!!) He is a crazy knowledgeable, stand up guy that is doing everything that he can for us. My ECU is going to go out to hi next week, and then the final stage happens in two weeks, and I will post results....time for E Town??? Hehehehehehee I would say this car will break 12's easily, especially with my weight reduction. By the way I don't have 25% drivetrain loss anymore...if interested in why, PM me. There is a solution ot the B6'ers that want 60/40 TQ split, even on auto's.

[B6guy42]

2nd this. The motor is externally balanced. This means that the factory needed to move some of the weight from the crank to the pulley on the front of the motor. So you can't just go and make a lightweight pulley it won't work. The time and money that went into this CLEARLY was well thought out.

If your interested E mail J. I just did he said I will be put on the list to get the next available sets. He said they have 4 pulleys that are getting tested on cars or is about to be installed and tested before they ship out any more

They are PERFECTLY balanced. Jay asked me to bring the one he sent me to the machine shop that I was going ot use for the build, and they said it was PERFECTLY balanced!!!!!!!!!! PERFECT is hard with these pulleys like Justincredible just said, they WERE counterweighted, and Jay has created a pulley that is balanced without using counter weights. The only issue I am having with it is that my motor is spinning ALOT faster now with the 4 lbs free from the crank, and the tranny is shooting STRAIGHT to redline (7.5-8K) then shifting. It is a smooth shift but scary when you aren't controlling it. I think the ECU will have to correct the shift pattern in time I put 100 miles on the car since getting it back, and it is a rocketship. I have driven the RS4 MANY times so far, and it feels CLOSE in terms of speed. Remember, the RS motor is a completely different beast than the B6 S4. Tuning for that car and the additional ECU's making timing and fueling/air flow more accurate helped achieve the additional HP they have, but in retrospect, they could have done better with the TQ. I mean our cars come with 307 TQ and the RS4 317TQ I THINK (I could be off and someone please correct me if I am) Long story made short, I FEEL the difference. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. On the way home yesterday, ran into a brand new Carrera S and pulled him out (some driving skill was required) but I could tell he wasn't going ot pull on me. Auto vs Manual also. Guy looked pissed at me. I will say this to road racers, don't do it on heavy traffic areas take it to the track!! (Hypocritical YES I AM) Another vehicle that kept REALLY good with me was an FX50S. That thing is a beast. 390HP I think!? Anyways, back on topic, BUY THE PULLEY, you just have to disassemble the nose but have the correct tools for the crank pulley. If anyone needs an OEM one, or any timing chains (they are still very good, let me know, because I kept all the parts they replaced and they are free to whomever wants or needs them)

[B6guy42]

At that, just an FYI, 2.7CHP to every pound is the formula, so in this case JHM made a pulley 5 lbs lighter than stock which would be......13.5CHP. not DRAMATIC, but REALISTIC for those who want it, it's a DEFINITE gain for 550 bucks? Come on, no brainer!! Everyone here spent at least 1000.00 on cat back (cheap side) for the same gains. IF (which I don't know what he is going to be charging for these, I just know what I Paid) it is a no brainer.

[KryptoniK]

is this a possible upgrade for the RS4 as well? I think the lightweight pully coupled with a lightweight fly wheel would feel amazing... =)