B6 Dyno Thread

[actlsub9]

Post your dyno plots here with any information on the setup you would like to share.

No discussion in this thread.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

1) Stock 1.8t engine, ATP GTRS with ATP high flow turbo manifold, Neuspeed exhaust with Eurocode 2.5" test pipe, Neuspeed Xtreme turbo intake pipe and Ecode front mount intercooler.
2) Revo 440cc Big Turbo file with Bosch 440cc injectors.
3) Well suited for the stock engine and pretty consistent performance without pushing the limits of the stock rods to far.
4) Meth injection will unlock a great power increase allowing to run a significant amount more boost or timing.
5) 321whp/304wtq at 25psi on Sunoco GT100 recorded on a mustang dyno
6) 13.35@100mph best 1/4 mile on 93 octane 23psi and timing 5, 12.75@108mph best 1/4 mile on VP 103 25psi and timing 9.

Dyno graph


Race gas time slip

[maclem8223]

1) Stock Motor,ATP2871R, Revo tuned, 550 inj., testpipe, APR Exhaust, ER Comp FMIC, Nuespeed Tip
2) Revo tuned, 550 inj
3) Daily driven and very minimal issues. It's tuned conservatively and boost comes on smooth
4) Rods
5) Dyno numbers and boost level
6) Time slips: None

[RLB6]

1) Stock AMB 1.8T, 71R Eliminator turbo, 550 injectors, Neuspeed TIP, ER Comp FMIC, Full 3" custom exhaust, High stall torque converter.
2) REVO
3) Smooth linear & consistent power. Deceivingly fast, given the small displacement
4) 3" system from the turbo on down A MUST. If not, you're cheating yourself out of the full potential.
5) 24 PSI on 93 oct.: 283.4 awhp, 287.1 ft-lbs . word is that there's a 300+ awhp dyno sheet lurking around for the 'zine's baddest Tip B6
6) None

Dyno sheet:

[7speed]

1) I.E. Rods, 1.8T Engine, T3 Flanged GT3071R, SPA Manifold, Full 3" Turbo Back exhaust
2) Revo 440cc Big Turbo file with Siemens 630cc injectors
3) Does not work well with stock engine past 15lbs. The next evolutionary step up from a 28 series turbo.
4) I do not recommend this REVO BT software for anything larger that a 28 series turbo
5) 289awhp/278awtq on 93 octane @ 20lbs and timing 9 (Note I have bad compression)
6) 13.6 - don't know the speed

[7speed]

These are the Dyno numbers from the only other 1.8T to Dyno on REVO with a GT3071R

A4ringedone8t (#618)

1) I.E. Rods, GT3071R, ATP manifold, Full 3" turbo back exhaust
2) Revo 440cc Big Turbo file with Siemens 550cc injectors
3) Not recommendd for stock engine past 15lbs of boost
4) N/A
5) 256fwp/245wtq @ 18psi Timing 7
6) N/A

[bananas]

1) 1.8T, billet "GT2868" (GT28RS + 68mm aluminum compressor), ASP MAF housing, ASP FMIC, ASP 2.5" exhaust, gutted ASP High flow cat (essentially a test pipe now), "ASP" T25 log manifold (Treadstone), 60lb (630cc) injectors, Aquamist HFS-1 1.0mm nozzle 50/50 water/meth, forged pistons/rods
2) Unitronic Big Turbo software - Configured for 3"MAF, 93 octane + Water/Meth. -1.5 lemmiwinks
3) The "GT2868" spools faster than my old off-the-shelf GT28RS but holds boost much better. In 3rd gear, 25psi arrives at 3900RPM and holds 25 to redline (7000 in my car). My powerband is flat, hovering around 330whp from 4700 to 7000rpm.
4) Forged pistons/Rods
5) 93 octane, water/meth: 337WHP/348WTQ @ 25psi; 284WHP/292WTQ @ 19psi

6) Coming soon?

[reapersa4]

Eurodyne Tuned
2.0l Stroker AWP block
AEG crank
custom 83mm JE pistons 9.5:1 CR 20mm wrist pin
Scat rods
AEB big port head
Supertech valve train w/ 1mm oversized INT and EXH valves
3658 Cat Cams
OE lifters
AEB INT runners w/ custom fabbed plenum and B5 S4 72mm TB
830cc injectors
Custom IC piping 3" cold side, 2.25 hot side
Custom Downflow FMIC (Garrett core good to 600+ WHP)
GT 3076R Turbocharger
Tial 44mm WG open dump
Tial BV50 50mm BOV
Custom 321 stainless tubular exhaust manifold with a standard T3 flange
3" Turbo Back exhaust w/ one res and magnaflow 14229 mufflers
Snow performance direct port meth (4 nozzles)
Third Gear Pulls

Air temp 73.9 degrees f , 30.11 in Hg barometric pressure, 29.3 % humidity, and a 3rd gear pull. Direct port meth, Chevron 94 oct. pump gas.





120 Leaded race gas, Direct port meth + 1 nozzle pre-TB, 26.5 psi, Air temp 64.8 degrees f, baro 29.78, and humidity 44.6





Maestro Tuned, 120 Leaded race gas, Direct port meth + 1 nozzle pre-TB, 26.5 psi, and 1000cc injectors.

[heateris]

mods in sig.

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[Tracee]

• 1.8T AMB 100K miles
• Stock Block
• OTS 71R Eliminator
• ER Comp FMIC
• 3bar Fueling Kit
• Lots O' boost

[CRAIG1MACK]

My 2002 A4 Quattro, 3L, 6mt. Stock, no mods.

[vdubstreets]

02 k04, 100 octane, intake, exhaust, 225 injectors

[martini]

Vinny's GTRS any my APR stage 3 at Speed Industry dyoned their Mustang Dyno. 4 pulls each. The guy at Speed Industry said he has taken cars off his dyno and brought them to the Mustang Dyno that was at Wheel to Wheel and found that his dyno typically reads in 10% low. Who knows if that is true or not, all we have are the plots..

Vinny: GTRS quattro tiptronic
Me: APR stage 3, quttro 5spd.


First plot: Torques and HP of our two best runs. I wish he would have rev'd the APR plot out a bit further as it almost looks like there is more power in the top end.




Second plot: Same two runs with AFR and Boost - the GTRS kit was boosting much higher than my APR kit





Third plot: Neither one of us had any real opportunity to sit around and tweak our sytems. My APR is very limited in what I can do, and Vinny literally got is SPS today so had no chance to fine tune anything. I did however, log my plots. On my last run I turned up the timing 5.5 degrees. The log still showed almost all 0 CF's. Either way, this is the plot of the baseline software and then turning up the timing 5.5 with lemmi.

for those that are interested... here is my log after bumping timing 5.5 degrees. This is the best run I had with the APR kit. Google Docs is not working from my job. I'm not sure what the lambda oscillations are all about. It looks like I could turn up the boost and still be pretty good since i start running a bit on the rich side.
http://www.a4mods.com/pics/random/dy...ull4_5pt25.csv

Dyno - significant gain with this small tweak - 12AWHP, 11 Ft-lbs

[AvanTTix]

MY03 B6A4 1.8T Avant - All dyno's performed on Mustang Dynamometers at either Matrix Integrated in Oregon or StreetWerke in Calif. Unfortunately both shops no longer have their dyno's.

- Baseline [Location: Matrix Integrated (Or)]:

• Bone stock
• 94 Octane

- Bastard Stage [Location: Matrix Integrated (Or)]:

• DSMIC
• Milltek Catback Exhaust
• 94 Octane

- Bastard Stage (Baseline) [Location: StreetWerke (Ca)]:

• DSMIC
• Milltek Catback Exhaust
• 91 Octane

- Stage III [Location: StreetWerke (Ca)]:

• KO4-015 Turbo
• MTM Tuning Software
• MTM Injectors
• Milltek Catback Exhaust
• Milltek High FLow Cat
• DSMIC
• 91 Octane

- Stage III [Location: TBD]:

• KO4-015 Turbo
• MTM Tuning Software
• MTM Injectors
• Milltek Catback Exhaust
• Milltek High FLow Cat
• JetJockey Turbo Inlet Pipe
• DSMIC w/ Apikol SMIC
• ?? Octane

[akaEsCo01]

The car: bone stock

The charts: dotted line is stock, solid line is flash

Stage 1 on 93 octane


Stage 1+ on 93 octane and 380cc injectors


Stage 1 on 104 octane

[winston@podi.ca]

Tial dual Vband GT3076R turbocharger w/ custom Eurodyne software
TIAL 44mm wastegate
TIAL 50mm Alpha Q blow off valve
Built 1.9L bottom w/ forged 83.0mm custom JE Pistons and Pauter rods
AEB head with Supertech +1mm oversize intake & exhaust valves, springs and retainers
Custom intake manifold with 80mm throttle body
Siemens 780cc injectors
Blitzkrieg custom tubular exhaust manifold
Blitzkrieg custom frontmount intercooler
Blitzkrieg custom 3” exhaust w/ Magnaflow mufflers
Greddy Profec Type S electronic boost controller
Snow Performance Stage 2 water/meth injection with 375mL/min nozzle

The dyno graphs and all runs were done on Chevron 94 octane.

On this graph both runs are done at 18psi.

red line = no meth
blue line = meth injection using 175ml/min nozzle



blue line = 18psi with 175ml/min nozzle
green line = 20psi with 375ml/min nozzle



green line = 22psi with 375ml/min nozzle
blue line = 24psi with 375ml/min nozzle



and the final comparison which is most important...

pink line = 24psi, built AMB head, stock TB and intake (from November 3, 2008)
blue line = 24psi, built AEB head, 80mm TB and meth injection

How flat the tq curve is nuts!



boost level plot

[QuattroRocket]

AWE GT28r kit
AWE catback exhaust
EVOMS FMIC
TIAL bypass valve

[Jet Jockey]

Big difference in WHP and torque numbers between 3rd and 4th gear pulls.

Even bigger difference in WHP and torque numbers between the Dynapack and Dino Dynamics AWD chassis dynos.

Hope once and for all this dispels the belief there aren't any differences between the two gears and that third will provide higher WHP and torque figures...

First I'd like to thank Franz at Diebold Autosport for taking the time to do the testing on his new dyno. It was a learning experience.

Also there is a huge difference in the numbers between a Dynapack and Dyno Dymnamics AWD dynos. The pulls were done in nearly identical weather conditions, close enough anyway not to make a difference IMHO on the outcome. The dyno sessions were done a few days prior to my VIR track event. All pulls were done with fresh VP Racing MS109 race fuel.

Generally from our testing between the two types of dyno, the Dyno Dynamics returned numbers (WHP) that were around 15 to 17% less than the Dynapack depending in which gear the pull was done in.

As a reminder on the Dynapack after the corrections were made due to an error in programming the Dynapack my WHP numbers were approximately 440 WHP in fourth gear and calculated to be approximately 480 WHP in third gear.

The Dyno Dynamics properly calibrated and programmed for my car returned the following numbers at the wheels...

4th gear = 384.5 WHP (55.5 WHP less than the Dynapack).

3rd gear = 410.6 WHP (69.4 WHP less than the Dynapack).

On the Dyno Dynamics the difference between 3rd and 4th gear was still a rather big 26.1 WHP.

Take a look at the dyno graphs for the torque curve and how the gears affect the power delivery, interesting.

Also we wanted to see how the Dyno Dynamics software would work in its "estimated crank HP" setting so we did 3rd and 4th gear pulls for that too and the numbers are very interesting. It turns out to be pretty darn accurate.

Remember that on the engine dyno my car on VP109 returned approximately 520 CHP.


Third gear pull - Actual WHP.




Fourth gear pull - Actual WHP.




Third gear vs fourth gear pull overlay - Actual WHP.




Third gear pull - Estimated CHP.




Fourth gear pull - Estimated CHP.

[Sales@RAI]

2L - AEG Crank, Scat Rods, Wiseco 9:1 83mm Pistons
AEB Head - Supertech Exhaust Valves, Ti Retainers, Cat Gold Valvesprings, Cat 3652 Cams
Full Race Mani, Tial 44WG, GT35R .82, open WG, 3" exhaust, Vibrant 875hp core, 2.5" hotside 3.0" Coldside, RAI Intake Mani
Unitronic BASE file

15psi, ran out of fuel @ 6k, going on the dyno again soon

[boy412]

1) Stock 1.8t engine, dual SMIC, MTM downpipe/HFC, MTM exhaust
2) MTM Stage II with Bosch 386cc injectors, N75 "K" valve
3) 93 Octane fuel

Didn't have a baseline for this car before all of the mods...and I admit being a little disappointed with the dyno numbers. But its still really fun to drive!





Next step is to build the bottom end (or maybe the whole bloody engine, as it has 130k+ on the clock) and strap on a 2871.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

Well, I guess my car sucks. I found out about a new shop having a car show/dyno day today so myself and some friends went and 2 of us dynoed our car. The shop has the dyno dynamics aka heartbreaker dyno and it did its job

I am not sure if my car was running correctly or not because I did a log on the way there and the car was pulling a ton of timing for some reason. Here is the datalog from earlier in the day.




My laptop battery died so I was unable to log while it was on the dyno to see if it was still pulling a bunch of timing or not during the runs so I will never know.

I dynoed on 93 octane and my meth injection which was 2 bottles of heet mixed with some 0* washer fluid from Autozone. I am wondering if the meth wasn't working properly causing the issues earlier in the day, I don't know if that was my culpret or not. Boost was 28psi tapering to 26psi (it actually showed 29 for a split second but actually ran 28).

He could only graph 2 variables so I had him print the graph with hp/tq and then with a/f. My a/f seems to be running a little rich also and I have the crazy dip down when boost comes on so need some tweaking of the tune still. Also not sure why but my boost always tapers off like 2psi around 6500rpm, dont know if it is my mbc or maybe the .63 a/r housing of my turbo or what, but need to get that to hold boost as well.

Here it is 392whp. If the car was running correct timing during the pull then this is what kind of power according to this dyno that I am making and is how I ran the car to run 12.3@115mph and also trap 116mph on another run.







Once again

28psi tapering to 26
93 octane and meth injection (if it was working correctly)
67 degrees outside
Dyno Dynamics dyno

Here are some videos

dyno from rear of car

dyno from front


Oh and my friend dynoed his B5 A4 with GT3071r and Tapp tuning on 24psi with 93 and meth and made 322whp right before me. This is the car I ran 12.1@111mph in at 25psi and pull on hard running down the road.

Also an R32 stock other than an exhaust flapper mod dynoed 215whp, and SRT-4 on stock turbo with intake and exhaust and tune at 20psi put down 275whp and a bone stock E46 M3 with SMG transmission put down 270whp to get a reference from some other cars that were there.

EDIT: logged the car since the dyno and it is still showing terrible timing pull. Car was definitely not running correctly.

[Info@EuroCode]

A EuroCode Tuning project for AZ Member Kwan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvtV8StrLC8

1.8T
AEB Head with Ferrea Valvetrain & Cat 36/51 Cams
T3 30-71R .63 A/R
ER Competition Front Mount Intercooler
EuroCode Tuning Fueling Kit to consit of:

• EuroCode Tuning XXX Fuel Pump
• EuroCode Tuning Inlet with OEM VW/Audi 3" MAF Housing
• EuroCode Tuning 3.0 Bar MAP Sensor
• EuroCode Tuning 72 lb/hr Fuel Injectors
• EuroCode Tuning R8 Throttle Body
• EuroCode Tuning/REVO Programming

All factory functions retained to include ABS, ESP, Cruise Control and Idle. This happens to be a pretty small A/R turbo and we squeezed it for pretty much all it is worth. We can support up to 500AWHP with this setup and still retain the factory N75 and OEM like drivability.

[bigblue]

Stock 05 1.8t Auto
APR stage 1 93 octane

[dewey527]

How about a punch in the gut...thought the car was running decent but I guess not.
K04, REVO, HFC, Neuspeed exhaust, Forge DV, FMIC, AFE intake

[cdn20valve]

2003 Audi A4 Quattro Avant
Frankenturbo F4h-l
W/m injection
Gutted cat 2.5 exhaust
APR K04 91 octane
Stock Intercooler

The inconsistent low run was with W/M turned off

[Jet Jockey]

You need to upload your pictures better... All we get are red Xs.

[reapersa4]

^^ Estimated CHP LMAO...

[bananas]

^^ Estimated CHP LMAO...

Read it in context... Jet Jockey has numerous actual engine dyno pulls. He was comparing the actual engine dynos with the dyno dynamics estimating mode. I have always appreciated that he posts all the data he has.

[Haenszel20v]

^^ Estimated CHP LMAO...

Because Franz has access to multiple in-house engine dynos, and an in-house chassis dyno he is able to calculate the percentage difference and apply it to the chassis results. Its NEVER been more than 3whp off from actual CHP results, even on 1200whp cars. So you can continue laughing, but I wouldn't make fun of anything that comes from Franz.

[cdn20valve]

You need to upload your pictures better... All we get are red Xs.

Can you not see my dyno plots?

[reapersa4]

Read it in context... Jet Jockey has numerous actual engine dyno pulls. He was comparing the actual engine dynos with the dyno dynamics estimating mode. I have always appreciated that he posts all the data he has.

Because Franz has access to multiple in-house engine dynos, and an in-house chassis dyno he is able to calculate the percentage difference and apply it to the chassis results. Its NEVER been more than 3whp off from actual CHP results, even on 1200whp cars. So you can continue laughing, but I wouldn't make fun of anything that comes from Franz.

Thats all wonderful fellas but YOU in-fact need to get the context right. I don't doubt the numbers, I'm laughing at the fact he has gone to such great lengths give out his "3rd gear #" stemming from the shit my build stirred up with him for whatever reason... do your homework people...

And tell me this smarty pants, if hes got such incredible access to dyno's and such why not just do a pull in third?

BTW I have all the respect in the world for all these people, but i'm not gonna get down salivate, at every curl of their lip and call them gods. The guys I work with, and who built MY car, are just as impressive, if not more, than any of these other guys I only hear about here. Especially since I see it first hand, Instead of read it on some public forum.

In case I haven't said it before (which I'm sure I have...) I'll say it again, Your car is sick JJ.

[Jet Jockey]

^^ Estimated CHP LMAO...

I don't know what is so funny. Perhaps you can explain and I/we can laugh along too.

[Haenszel20v]

I don't know what is so funny. Perhaps you can explain and I/we can laugh along too.

They've never met Franz. That is all.

[Jet Jockey]

I don't doubt the numbers, I'm laughing at the fact he has gone to such great lengths give out his "3rd gear #" stemming from the shit my build stirred up with him for whatever reason...

And tell me this smarty pants, if hes got such incredible access to dyno's and such why not just do a pull in third?

I don't understand what your beef is... Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

Going back to 2004 when I bought my car and after the break in period when we first dynoed to get a base line and after every mod thereafter I have always done 4th gear pulls on my car because I was told that 4th gear is nearly a perfect 1:1 ratio which is what should be used and not 3rd gear.

Since we all know some "tuners" were using 3rd gear pulls to get higher numbers thus skewing the results I decided after this built to do 3rd and 4th gear pulls on both the Dynapack and the Dyno Dynamics to see the differences between these two gear ratios on both types of dynos. Please note that the Dyno Dynamics used for the pulls as the older software in it which makes it render lower WHP and torque numbers. It's like a MAHA in that sense, which is also known as a "heart breaker". The newer software on the newer Dyno Dynamics gives higher numbers in the order of about +12% (perhaps more) IIRC.

So it is very clear that a 3rd gear pull will return higher numbers on both types of dyno and again 3rd gear in our cars is not the closest to a 1:1 ratio. On a Dynapack the difference between the 3rd and 4th gear is about 40WHP but only 26.1 WHP on the Dyno Dynamics.

As for the "estimated CHP" you seem to laugh about well my tuner wanted to see how good the Dyno Dynamics estimated CHP software would perform. In fact it did remarkably well. Remember on his engine dyno we got approximately 520 CHP and the Dyno Dynamic's estimated CHP software while we did some pulls in 4th gear gave us 509.4 CHP and in 3rd gear 519.5 CHP which is pretty darn close to the engine dyno's number.

And that was all the points to that post. Hope it clears up some misunderstandings.

[Jet Jockey]

They've never met Franz. That is all.

Franz is meticulous and a perfectionist. He's like a computer with a wealth of knowledge stored in his head and I mean this in a very positive non condescending way. I am sure there are other very capable tuners out there but I feel very fortunate some people lead me his way.

[winston@podi.ca]

No discussion in this thread.

Can you guys read?!?!?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

I agree, all these posts should be removed. ^^^

[Jet Jockey]

Can you guys read?!?!?

No!

[Jet Jockey]

I agree, all these posts should be removed. ^^^

Come to think about it... I agree!

[reapersa4]

They've never met Franz. That is all.

I feel like I should know him, you sure talk about him alot.

I've already said I give him respect but I don't understand why YOU have this chip on your shoulder about some other dude? Why should I take your word for it? And even if you have some clout around here why do you need to act like your the man? Be humble.

I don't understand what your beef is... Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

Going back to 2004 when I bought my car and after the break in period when we first dynoed to get a base line and after every mod thereafter I have always done 4th gear pulls on my car because I was told that 4th gear is nearly a perfect 1:1 ratio which is what should be used and not 3rd gear.

Since we all know some "tuners" were using 3rd gear pulls to get higher numbers thus skewing the results I decided after this built to do 3rd and 4th gear pulls on both the Dynapack and the Dyno Dynamics to see the differences between these two gear ratios on both types of dynos. Please note that the Dyno Dynamics used for the pulls as the older software in it which makes it render lower WHP and torque numbers. It's like a MAHA in that sense, which is also known as a "heart breaker". The newer software on the newer Dyno Dynamics gives higher numbers in the order of about +12% (perhaps more) IIRC.

So it is very clear that a 3rd gear pull will return higher numbers on both types of dyno and again 3rd gear in our cars is not the closest to a 1:1 ratio. On a Dynapack the difference between the 3rd and 4th gear is about 40WHP but only 26.1 WHP on the Dyno Dynamics.


As for the "estimated CHP" you seem to laugh about well my tuner wanted to see how good the Dyno Dynamics estimated CHP software would perform. In fact it did remarkably well. Remember on his engine dyno we got approximately 520 CHP and the Dyno Dynamic's estimated CHP software while we did some pulls in 4th gear gave us 509.4 CHP and in 3rd gear 519.5 CHP which is pretty darn close to the engine dyno's number.

And that was all the points to that post. Hope it clears up some misunderstandings.

No beef, thank you for clarifying. You are very thorough.