I have the first stage 3 b7 so not many others out there to compare. My car at the track weighed 3580 with me in it and the rs4 with my dad in it was 4010. From a dig the rs4 is quicker but 2nd gear 40 pulls and 3rd gear 60 pulls the a4 is quicker. My actual carwill be on dyno next week. Mike@APR with my setup minus the front mount and pulley put down 315whp on a dyno jet
Not to put you down, but just because you put a lot of money in the motor does not signify that your car is the shit. You may be faster in the straight line, but that's where the buck stops between your car and an RS4. The RS4 is a totally different animal than your run-of-the-mill A4. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Your Quattro system is set differently, not able to distribute the power your car puts to the ground properly therefore you will not be able to fully take advantage of what your motor puts out. Your suspension is set differently. There goes more money spent to upgrade. You have sub-par brakes (with the power you put out) so there goes more money on a bigger brake setup... and the list of performance upgrades that you will need goes on. In the end, you were better off gettin an RS4 and putting the supercharger on that. Keep in mind that the RS4 is an N/A motor and your bragging about power that was easily gained with a bigger turbo and a tune. The RS4 is a brute to be reckoned with and there are few cars in the Audi line-up that can even be compared.
"If no one has been offended by what you have done, you need a larger audience."
First, it was my first trip in this car launching on track. Street is no problem, track is different story, but yes my launches sucked all night (only 3 runs in 5 hours) as the tires were cold, it was 40 degrees out, we had to wait over an hour between runs all night (high IAT), and the car launched sideways on that run, I had to lift, and still ran a 13.1 @ 113.
Don't really care about the track to prove a point. It was just a bunch of us going out to have fun. If I wanted to have a dick-waving contest, I would just pull it out.
Hmmmm.... I've raced an AWE stg 3 and beat it and I've raced my buddies custom tuned ASP stg 3 several times (both cars were straight k04 cars) and he beats me by about a car length from 2nd to top of 4th gear. He's on this board (Silence) and will be than happy to back that up.
However your assumption that a normal stg 3 b5 puts down 400whp on pump gas is pretty far off base. Unless it's on the super happy dynojets. My car would put down considerably more on a dynojet than it did on GIAC's Mustang.
Also you need to consider area under the curve not just peak numbers. With the roots style blower I get immediate torque delivery. When I run silence from 1-3rd gears I'll win. When we run from 2-4th or 3-5th I'll jump almost a car while his turbos are spooling and then he'll gradually pull.
Yes and no. It was a lil more than a car length from middle of 2nd to end of third in my car, as well as I had a passenger, but nonetheless, your car is fast, much faster than a Rs4, and definitely OTS stage 3 S4 fast. It even suprised Anthony that you kept up with me until 3rd gear. The supercharger is instant delivery and sounds absolutely awesome coupled with the Stasis exhaust. That being said, I don't think you'd win against my car on a race from a roll. It definitely stays right with me thru 1st and 2nd though.
On the topic of the strip, what people fail to realize is that we had to wait in staging lanes for over a hour all night between runs. That made your intake manifold so hot to the touch that you couldn't hold your hand to it. Couple that with your clutch not holding the hard shifts ( I smelled it) = less than desired conditions. If anyone here thinks a bolt on car would hold a candle to your car under normal conditions, I've got some great real estate for sale on the moon I'll sell to them for dirt cheap.
Yes and no. It was a lil more than a car length from middle of 2nd to end of third in my car, as well as I had a passenger, but nonetheless, your car is fast, much faster than a Rs4, and definitely OTS stage 3 S4 fast. It even suprised Anthony that you kept up with me until 3rd gear. The supercharger is instant delivery and sounds absolutely awesome coupled with the Stasis exhaust. That being said, I don't think you'd win against my car on a race from a roll. It definitely stays right with me thru 1st and 2nd though.
On the topic of the strip, what people fail to realize is that we had to wait in staging lanes for over a hour all night between runs. That made your intake manifold so hot to the touch that you couldn't hold your hand to it. Couple that with your clutch not holding the hard shifts ( I smelled it) = less than desired conditions. If anyone here thinks a bolt on car would hold a candle to your car under normal conditions, I've got some great real estate for sale on the moon I'll sell to them for dirt cheap.
my comment about 2-4th were with your old tune. even that night going to the strip we were damn close all the way to 130+. now with your updated super tune you'd pull probably another car or so through the end of 4th... no doubt your car is fast and much faster after Anth worked his magic! i'd like to go at it down at sea level sometime. Oh and that wasn't me keeping up with you 1st-2nd that was me beating you
I was agreeing with todshandler, saying that if there was a slip, i would see it happen more in 1-2 instead of from a dead start. It would be nice to have more news on the s/c though, facts. I'll be looking into getting one seeing as how I will have enough after coming back from my deployment. I'm in the Army, so I'm not one of those "ballers" who can just throw money at a car.
I'm not suprised with that, when you add that much power and run it through a stock clutch that puppy is bound to get fried. Hopefully there will be an upgrade ready for when this thing finally ships.
On a side note, VF if you are out there... any word on a Tip car in the future? I don't care about numbers, how it looks, or really pricing as of the moment, just if there are any plans for one.
tip cars will start going into beta once the 6 speed kits are available to the public. there is no reason it won't work other than we don't know if the tranny will hold the power. so if it works it should be a rather quick beta probably only a few cars. they'll need to stress test the tranny to see if it holds max power then will need to put some miles on it to make sure it can withstand daily beatings
It's not so easy to run at the track. My first pass ever was in a 700 rwhp Supra and I ran a 14.1 @ 127. I bogged off the line bigtime, but was sure I ripped off a low 12 sec pass .
First, it was my first trip in this car launching on track. Street is no problem, track is different story, but yes my launches sucked all night (only 3 runs in 5 hours) as the tires were cold, it was 40 degrees out, we had to wait over an hour between runs all night (high IAT), and the car launched sideways on that run, I had to lift, and still ran a 13.1 @ 113.
Don't really care about the track to prove a point. It was just a bunch of us going out to have fun. If I wanted to have a dick-waving contest, I would just pull it out.
First, it was my first trip in this car launching on track. Street is no problem, track is different story, but yes my launches sucked all night (only 3 runs in 5 hours) as the tires were cold, it was 40 degrees out, we had to wait over an hour between runs all night (high IAT), and the car launched sideways on that run, I had to lift, and still ran a 13.1 @ 113.
Don't really care about the track to prove a point. It was just a bunch of us going out to have fun. If I wanted to have a dick-waving contest, I would just pull it out.
That wasnt you in the vid silence, it was that guy thirdstrike.
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That wasnt you in the vid silence, it was that guy thirdstrike.
what?
Originally Posted by Silence
Couple things.
Don't really care about the track to prove a point. It was just a bunch of us going out to have fun. If I wanted to have a dick-waving contest, I would just pull it out.
nobody wants to see your wenis. keep your gayness to yourself
Originally Posted by Todeshandler
FYI there was 3 stg 3 s4s (1 ASP, 1 APR, and 1 unknown) there that night. None of them ran faster than I did.
dont bring my car into the mix.. i got one run in that night and that run was done in limp mode. (n75 valve failed that night)
if your car is keeping up with david's car thats pretty sick
Last edited by ThirdStrike; 02-24-2009 at 11:57 AM.
Not to put you down, but just because you put a lot of money in the motor does not signify that your car is the shit. You may be faster in the straight line, but that's where the buck stops between your car and an RS4. The RS4 is a totally different animal than your run-of-the-mill A4. You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Your Quattro system is set differently, not able to distribute the power your car puts to the ground properly therefore you will not be able to fully take advantage of what your motor puts out. Your suspension is set differently. There goes more money spent to upgrade. You have sub-par brakes (with the power you put out) so there goes more money on a bigger brake setup... and the list of performance upgrades that you will need goes on. In the end, you were better off gettin an RS4 and putting the supercharger on that. Keep in mind that the RS4 is an N/A motor and your bragging about power that was easily gained with a bigger turbo and a tune. The RS4 is a brute to be reckoned with and there are few cars in the Audi line-up that can even be compared.
I love the RS4 and its my favorite car but the facts are the facts. An A4 with coilovers puts an RS4 to shame on the track its lighter and that's the key fact so its not only in straight line performance were the A4 is better.
2010 Audi S4 DSG Revo Stage 1
2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT APR Stage 2+
1993 Audi UrS4 5MT VEMS
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2011 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6MT Rotiform/H&R
2005 Audi S4 6MT Revo/JHM Bolt Ons 295whp/302wtq
2006 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro AT6 APR Stage 3+ 318whp/268wtq
little late for that... i'm moving back to socal this weekend.
and as for bringing your car into the mix.. I didn't say anything other than there was no stg 3 s4 that ran faster than I did, which there wasn't. excuses or not doesn't matter and wasn't the point.
However your assumption that a normal stg 3 b5 puts down 400whp on pump gas is pretty far off base. Unless it's on the super happy dynojets. My car would put down considerably more on a dynojet than it did on GIAC's Mustang.
true and not true
conditions; dynojet, pump gas, 60 degree Celsius IAT's(vagcom logged), open dumps, 85 Degree F ambients, THIRD gear pulls (iat's sky rocketed on 4th gear pulls,) 1 degree timing added, ~8 degree timing pull, shitty rs4 intercoolers, apr ots stage 3
you are confused... i drive a pearl s4. david drives a silver s4
i got one run and went into limp mode before second gear.
im 100% down for this.
and for you people judging silences' car from that track run .. please dont. its a healthy stage 3. totally capable of low 12's
my bad on that, i get you guys mixed up some times. im in for some runs too if you guys get together. my buddy just got his turbo m3 back also and it makes my car seems very very slow
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dynojet... exactly what i said. my old B5 had no problem making that power on a dynojet either... take it to a mustang or dyno dynamics and prepare to have your heart broken. however every dyno pull any of my cars have done has been in 4th gear. But let's keep this thread on point not about B5s. thanks.
right. ... my point is it was done on pump gas, and 3rd gear. id guess on a mustang id probably be at ~390 right? who knows... numbers dont mean jack on the freeway
more 360-370 on GIAC's mustang. Mustang to mustang can vary as you can calibrate them. For my tests in my B5 I dyno'd at GIAC then drove straight to Harmann Motive and dyno'd on their dynojet. I saw a 40whp+or- difference. (4th gear)
more 360-370 on GIAC's mustang. Mustang to mustang can vary as you can calibrate them. For my tests in my B5 I dyno'd at GIAC then drove straight to Harmann Motive and dyno'd on their dynojet. I saw a 40whp+or- difference. (4th gear)
not that i dont believe you... i just dont care. people whine about dyno type all they want, but it doesnt make the numbers less truth. tq@5250 is tq@5250 w/less inertial load or not.
back on topic
op; if youre worried about getting beat in a DTM s4 by muscle cars then get a mk4 supra. in these days and times spending 30k on 150/200hp is just retarded, but i dont make a whole lot of money so my opinion is biased. please dont take that personally todes; id love to have a b6/7 with FI.. i wish i could get a joyride in your car
not that i dont believe you... i just dont care. people whine about dyno type all they want, but it doesnt make the numbers less truth. tq@5250 is tq@5250 w/less inertial load or not.
back on topic
op; if youre worried about getting beat in a DTM s4 by muscle cars then get a mk4 supra. in these days and times spending 30k on 150/200hp is just retarded, but i dont make a whole lot of money so my opinion is biased. please dont take that personally todes; id love to have a b6/7 with FI.. i wish i could get a joyride in your car
the VF kit is $9500 retail I'll still be out here in Vegas every once and a while. Hopefully I'll be able to make one of the meets.
my bad on that, i get you guys mixed up some times. im in for some runs too if you guys get together. my buddy just got his turbo m3 back also and it makes my car seems very very slow
Wow. You're a crack head. We were talking in the staging lanes. Haha.
my comment about 2-4th were with your old tune. even that night going to the strip we were damn close all the way to 130+. now with your updated super tune you'd pull probably another car or so through the end of 4th... no doubt your car is fast and much faster after Anth worked his magic! i'd like to go at it down at sea level sometime. Oh and that wasn't me keeping up with you 1st-2nd that was me beating you
Gotcha. Ya, this new tune is definitely more powerful up top.
1-22nd I mis-shifted. It was the curse of the Orby. 1-2 synchro FTL.
I love the RS4 and its my favorite car but the facts are the facts. An A4 with coilovers puts an RS4 to shame on the track its lighter and that's the key fact so its not only in straight line performance were the A4 is better.
I suppose you have some proof of that too right? Sorry but I have a hard time believing that if you take an A4 off the lot at Audi and throw some coilovers on it that it's going to beat an RS4 around the track. Weight difference or not....Just because a car is lighter and has some coilovers doesn't make it a track car!!!
I suppose you have some proof of that too right? Sorry but I have a hard time believing that if you take an A4 off the lot at Audi and throw some coilovers on it that it's going to beat an RS4 around the track. Weight difference or not....Just because a car is lighter and has some coilovers doesn't make it a track car!!!
Anyways....back to the topic!!!
Haha. Let him think that. We all know a wider wheelbase and more advanced torsen do nothing.
true dat, wtf was i thinking. if i knew vf was gonna make a blower for the s4 i would have kept my b6 s4. it wouldnt have been as fast but i wouldnt be in debt either
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Gone but never forgotten: 2005 B6 S4
Ya, @ 113. As I said, we waited in the staging lanes for over an hour each time, so starting IAT were uber high and just killed power. If I could've launched the car right, it would've ran low 12s.
Oh and our track here is over 2200 ft ASL. That plays a good factor as well.
Ya, @ 113. As I said, we waited in the staging lanes for over an hour each time, so starting IAT were uber high and just killed power. If I could've launched the car right, it would've ran low 12s.
Oh and our track here is over 2200 ft ASL. That plays a good factor as well.
Well that would make sense, they say every .1 off the 60ft equals .2 on the big end. SO if you can cut a 1.8-1.7 60ft then low 12s are very doable. Heat soak will def hurt 1/4 times thats forsure.
I love the RS4 and its my favorite car but the facts are the facts. An A4 with coilovers puts an RS4 to shame on the track its lighter and that's the key fact so its not only in straight line performance were the A4 is better.
An A4 with coilovers puts an RS4 to shame on the track? It's faster in a straight line performance as well? Puff Puff Pass
was you on street tires? what kind of 60ft did you pull with your car?
i was on drag radials (some kind of hoosiers my friend let me borrow) but i didnt want to launch hard. i know a guy here that broke his rear end with a stock m3 and that makes me a little scared to go out and see what I can really do. I dont/cant afford to break anything on my car right now. heres the timeslip from that video i posted:
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Gone but never forgotten: 2005 B6 S4
i was on drag radials (some kind of hoosiers my friend let me borrow) but i didnt want to launch hard. i know a guy here that broke his rear end with a stock m3 and that makes me a little scared to go out and see what I can really do. I dont/cant afford to break anything on my car right now. heres the timeslip from that video i posted:
you deff picked up big time on the back half of the track. Get that 60 ft down and youll run mid 11s forsure.
Originally Posted by Auditude2.0T
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