1. I am no drag racer so my launch skills are less than great
1a. It was my first time ever in this car at 1/4 mile
2. I was at one of the slower drag strips in the US
3. My clutch was slipping (probably due to my poor drag skills see 1 & 1a)
FYI there was 3 stg 3 s4s (1 ASP, 1 APR, and 1 unknown) there that night. None of them ran faster than I did.
If the car is as fast as you saw I want a supercharged s4 wagon with rs4 widebody
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Just to answer someone elses question yea my car is faster than an rs4 it's putting down 300+whp and 300+wtq and weighs 400lbs lighter
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Just to answer someone elses question yea my car is faster than an rs4 it's putting down 300+whp and 300+wtq and weighs 400lbs lighter
Do you have any numbers? Dyno sheets? The RS4 is still putting down more power than you and you aren't 400 lbs lighter. Curb weight of RS4 is 3703, you are 3549.
I have never heard of a Stage 3 A4 coming even close to an RS4 in terms of performance. Have you ever raced your father?
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I'm making all that power at 7100rpm and that's pretty linear starting at 5500 and up. A stock rs4 puts around 330whp and 260wtq I have alot more torque. Every 100lbs is .1 seconds in the quarter so everything starts to even out. My stage 2 setup on stock turbo and 220whp ran a 14.0 with a busted cam
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Do you have any numbers? Dyno sheets? The RS4 is still putting down more power than you and you aren't 400 lbs lighter. Curb weight of RS4 is 3703, you are 3549.
I have never heard of a Stage 3 A4 coming even close to an RS4 in terms of performance. Have you ever raced your father?
I have the first stage 3 b7 so not many others out there to compare. My car at the track weighed 3580 with me in it and the rs4 with my dad in it was 4010. From a dig the rs4 is quicker but 2nd gear 40 pulls and 3rd gear 60 pulls the a4 is quicker. My actual carwill be on dyno next week. Mike@APR with my setup minus the front mount and pulley put down 315whp on a dyno jet
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But there is a down side to my car. I have no down low power, non supportive seats, not asreliable as a v8 aswell. I would have a hard time turning down an s4 for a trade but the a4 is a great car.
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there is no shot in hell your car runs rs4 numbers. you also thought your car was a low 13 second car before you did stage three until I saw you pull consistent 14.2's at Show and Go.
you cant just go by speculations on what your car could run just because everyone says "so and so" as well as "what and what" can get you that specific time. it does not work out like that, there are way too many other variables that come into play.
from my understanding this might be your first car, and like many, the first car always feels pretty fast, especially since you have that turbo kick, it feels alot faster than what it actually is. i thought my 91 jetta gl 1.8 8v 3 speed auto was pretty quick at one time.
also let me know whenever you want this spring, we usually get a nice sized group and we head to englishtown every other week. thats the only way to find out exactley what your car can do.
Again - not all cars let alone dynos are equal. Only a few a4s have dynoed better than the RS4. Peak horse power vs area under the curve is also the biggest difference. If your A4 did dyno on pump above 300awhp that'd be a plus, but you can't assume that what one person dynos is going to be the same for everyone else
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Okay, for those who don't know, Auditude likes to do a lot of talking, and doesn't hold information very well. If you do a quick search you can see it in a number of threads.
Also to reiterate, Todeshandler ran a 13.0 with a slipping clutch at +2000 ft above sea level which is a lot harder to do than in Long Island. Everyone likes to bench race, but few actually do it. My S4 makes over 900 AWHP and is faster than a Bugatti Veyron but I have no timeslips because I forgot how to read.
Back to the subject at hand, without the tooth fairy and visions of unicorns the reality is we don't really know what is possible. First we have to look at the difference between the S4 Avant and the RS4 was, and it was huge. Then you have to factor in the slipping clutch, and then factor in altitude. A rough guess would be somewhere in the low to mid 12's. Now let's get back on topic.
I expect to see 12.1-12.5 for a supercharged S4 with a good lauch. It's already been established via video that the S/C S4 will easily walk an RS4. RS4s can run 12.8 stock. You might see 400awhp too on the right dyno.
Not to pour gas on the fire, but Auditude's A4 is TIP and while it may be a very fast A4, just don't think it's going to be able to launch hard enough to see 12s. The TIP doesn't help on the dyno either. Maybe on a dynojet he'll see 300+ awhp, but on a DD or Mustang, I'd expect 280s. Which isn't going to stand a chance against a SC B6/B7 S4 or Stage 3 B5 S4, regardless of weight advantage.
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1. I am no drag racer so my launch skills are less than great
1a. It was my first time ever in this car at 1/4 mile
2. I was at one of the slower drag strips in the US
3. My clutch was slipping (probably due to my poor drag skills see 1 & 1a)
FYI there was 3 stg 3 s4s (1 ASP, 1 APR, and 1 unknown) there that night. None of them ran faster than I did.
I was there that night with my M3 and Todeshandler is correct. The other 2 stg 3 S4's there were slower than him and the vegas track sucks balls!!! Heres a vid of one of the other stg 3 s4's (sorry for my buddies comments in the backround, he was more excited than i was )
?????? 107.3 = Me > 107.08=you and I have a auto. So you DON'T have the fastest trap... lol Im holding on to that like money cause I know it wont hold up too much longer. Well the longer you stay away from the track the longer it will stay good.
Bottom line the supercharger is a great way to go and is going to be a big part of the future. IMHO the only thing that can derail this is other companies RUSHING to market with there superchargers to try and compete. This will lead to disaster for sure. People can speculate about the supercharger all day. But VF is doing this right Todeshandler's car is still running with good performance. In the end that is the most important thing.
I only say that cause you know there are going to be posts in the future about wanna be XXX brand of supercharger or turbo that made crazy power in hopes of bring in hype sales. while the whole time there is just a ticking time bomb on top of there motor.
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I was there that night with my M3 and Todeshandler is correct. The other 2 stg 3 S4's there were slower than him and the vegas track sucks balls!!! Heres a vid of one of the other stg 3 s4's (sorry for my buddies comments in the backround, he was more excited than i was )
I was there that night with my M3 and Todeshandler is correct. The other 2 stg 3 S4's there were slower than him and the vegas track sucks balls!!! Heres a vid of one of the other stg 3 s4's (sorry for my buddies comments in the backround, he was more excited than i was )
I was there that night with my M3 and Todeshandler is correct. The other 2 stg 3 S4's there were slower than him and the vegas track sucks balls!!! Heres a vid of one of the other stg 3 s4's (sorry for my buddies comments in the backround, he was more excited than i was )
i'll give Todd a huge break if an HPF M3 and a Stage 3 S4 ran a 13.1 and 12.1 then his car is impressive.
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there is no shot in hell your car runs rs4 numbers. you also thought your car was a low 13 second car before you did stage three until I saw you pull consistent 14.2's at Show and Go.
you cant just go by speculations on what your car could run just because everyone says "so and so" as well as "what and what" can get you that specific time. it does not work out like that, there are way too many other variables that come into play.
from my understanding this might be your first car, and like many, the first car always feels pretty fast, especially since you have that turbo kick, it feels alot faster than what it actually is. i thought my 91 jetta gl 1.8 8v 3 speed auto was pretty quick at one time.
also let me know whenever you want this spring, we usually get a nice sized group and we head to englishtown every other week. thats the only way to find out exactley what your car can do.
Def i would love to join you man. Im not going to say my car is a 12 second car and it is my first car and it really fast but whatever we will see at the track. Just and FYI and not an excuse in any way but at show n go i had a bad cam and was getting fuel cut like crazy i have a dyno to prove that i lost all power at 5000rpm that day but i still put down 220whp.
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2006 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro AT6 APR Stage 3+ 318whp/268wtq
nice car that thing must be completely nasty off a roll, what are you racing these days airplanes lol
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Ray's M3 is amazing! I thought my supercharged M3 was pretty quick but Ray's makes my old one look like a ford festiva!
my car is only good on the highway and with this cold weather it sucks even more. tyson was kicking my ass all over the place from a dig a few nights ago lol.
when you moving? sucks that youre going.
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For the bmw, with that trap speed you must of been doing a little bit of spinning. What kind of 60ft was you getting?
As for todeshandler you say your clutch was spinnig but you still pulled out a 1.9 60 ft. If your clutch was spinning as bad as it was said to be, you wouldnt of been able to pull off a 1.9 60 ft. The clutch would slip in the lower gears not typically in the higher gears. Also your car only trapped the same as some other s4 with boltons. and mild ones at that. Not saying anything bad about your car or what not just some things dont seem to add up. I like the fact that vf is doing so much reasearch on the s/c kit that they have coming out. Hopefully we will see faster times from your car at sea level.
For the rs4 against the s/c s4. i would really like to see it done from a dig, as the rs4 runs 12.8s with a 60ft of 1.9. Which to me there is still some improvement there with a little better 60ft. With teh right driver i would think we could see a rs4 run 12.7s or better. Also the rs4 traps around the same as the s/c s4 on the 1/4 mile. Also for the videos i would really like to see both cars in the proper rev range. We all know the rs4 doesnt come alive until the upper rev range, while you guys done it from a really low rpm giving the s/c s4 the advantage. How about a few more runs where the rs4 is actually in the proper power band and run him. I beat the results will be different then.
Dynos mean nothing unless you can back up your hp by doing some 1/4 runs. It is so easy for the dyno operator to skew the results. thats why i wouldnt go with given results from a tuner that has there own dyno in house. Dont get me wrong a dyno is a good thing to have to see if you are making power but i wouldnt go by claims of the tuner that has an in house dyno. You see it way too often where company X will claim XX amount of HP but in the real world nobody can see that same amount of gains.
As for a stage 2+ being able to beat a rs4, highly unlikelly unless the guy in the stage2+ car really drive and has alot more mods the just your basic stage 2+ car. Other mods like water/meth, race gas.... along those lines. Im not saying that every stage 2+ will lose to a rs4 but the majority of them will loose if the guy in the rs4 can drive. The fastest ko3 s4 went low 12s and that is with a guy that can drive the wheels off of it. Not your average guy that has the stage2+. My car stock runs a little faster then my buddies stage 2+ s4. he only catches up in the high gears, but down low i get him every time. And i only have a s4 not even a rs4. If i had a rs4 he would stand a chance and he knows that.
if you go back and read my original posts about the drag strip you'd read that the clutch didn't slip of the line the clutch slipped in the 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift. you need to take track and conditions into the equation as well. A stock RS4 can't even run a 13.5 here in Vegas with a good driver....
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if you go back and read my original posts about the drag strip you'd read that the clutch didn't slip of the line the clutch slipped in the 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift. you need to take track and conditions into the equation. A stock RS4 can't even run a 13.5 here in Vegas with a good driver....
I do understand that you have to take track into consideration. Do you have any time slips from the rs4 that cant break 13s? that will tell alot of the details. I only ask because i know you have a buddy that has a rs4 but im not sure if he was able to get to the track before it went under the knife. Maybe the guys you seen at the track with there rs4 couldnt really drive or something. I dont know i wasnt there. What kind fo trap speeds are these rs4 getting then?
I would think that if your clutch was going to slip, it would slip on a hard launch too. When does the new clutch setup go in? I would really like to see your car at sea level or close to it. Any other track that are somewhat local to you that you can run at?
I do have respect for you and everything you have shared with the community, i dont want you to feel like i am calling you out.
clutch, dps, and some intake mods going in later this month. I'll take it to famosa (http://www.famosoraceway.com/) hopefully sometime in March. It's one of the better tracks on the west coast. I'd like to take it to Sac but that's a bit of a drive.
No hard feelings I don't feel like you're or anyone else is calling me out. Honestly I wasn't even going to bother taking my car to LVMS as it's a shitty track and I didn't want all you guys to take the numbers as a realistic representation of what the kit will do because it isn't... but I went anyway and thought I'd share the results as I'm all about getting you guys the data... But I guess it will just be even better when I, or another VF car, pulls some mid 12s soon at a decent track
Just can't wait for this kit to finish. IMO any improvement in the power for the B6 and B7 S4 is a plus. Also, thank you Todeshandler for keeping us Ziners inform on the progress of the developement. I certainly appreciate you for taking the time to do what you do.
This is in my s4, I haven't done a 1/4 or anything, but do get a good launch I ride 1st gear a bit. I tried dumping it before, and it didn't feel or smell too good. I dump it in 2nd and the car feels like it pulls a lot harder than 1st, so I can definitely see it slipping the most in the 1-2 shift. Like I said, I'm no pro, but this is what I feel in mine. Out of the subject a lil, is the b6 or b7 faster, I know it's the same power, I just don't know if one weighs more than the other.
HAHAHA This is soooooo funny to read. If anyone wants to come run Brian lets do this!! Hopefully my RS4 should be done in the next month or so. At this rate I think I might just keep all the data to myself as that most of the people here don't understand. Oh well your loss.
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I was agreeing with todshandler, saying that if there was a slip, i would see it happen more in 1-2 instead of from a dead start. It would be nice to have more news on the s/c though, facts. I'll be looking into getting one seeing as how I will have enough after coming back from my deployment. I'm in the Army, so I'm not one of those "ballers" who can just throw money at a car.
Good god this thread took off, I had no idea in the amount of interest (not sure how many will actually buy the SC though). So have we established this will work for TIP, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere? So after reading correct me if my ESTIMATED "predictions" are off... or add something.
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1/4 mile Est. 12.5 seconds
$60.90 per HP
Will work with Tiptronic???
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I was there that night with my M3 and Todeshandler is correct. The other 2 stg 3 S4's there were slower than him and the vegas track sucks balls!!! Heres a vid of one of the other stg 3 s4's (sorry for my buddies comments in the backround, he was more excited than i was )
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? LOL a 129mph trap, now that is a very impressive car.
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