Jibberjive's GT2860R-7 Build Log

[AudiA4_20T]

keep going man

[haus4]

nice progress, looking forward to the motor build.

[ThirdStrike]

i heard ronnie/slowgolf is selling you some DV's?
you will like em. perfect style and performance

[jibberjive]

i heard ronnie/slowgolf is selling you some DV's?
you will like em. perfect style and performance

Wow, word travels fast Do you work there? I think your pics were the ones that introduced me to them

[obijohn22]

Wow, word travels fast Do you work there? I think your pics were the ones that introduced me to them

those are sweet! they look like little hand grenades!

[ThirdStrike]

those are sweet! they look like little hand grenades!

they are supposed to do that :-P
http://4ringsftw.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=19601
pm slowgolf

Wow, word travels fast Do you work there? I think your pics were the ones that introduced me to them

no i dont work there.. but the EJ people are good friends of mine.

[SlowGolf]

Wow, word travels fast Do you work there? I think your pics were the ones that introduced me to them

Rob (Thirdstrike) is a real good friend. His car was the first car we ran the small DVs on.

[wdbdy2000s4]

I would consider meth, but it wouldn't likely do much when I'm running 115 octane E85 daily

Meth won't help advance timing with the E85 but ERs and a Meth kit will put your IAT deltas in the negatives.

[Trigger Happy]

whats it cost to do something like this after everything is all said and done?

[Bimmerchop]

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[jibberjive]

whats it cost to do something like this after everything is all said and done?

For the average consumer buying new and paying near retail, well north of $10k, and well north of $15k if you're including the built longblock and 2.8 heads.

Some new prices off the top of my head for some of the more expensive stuff
ER SMIC's- $1300-1400
RS6 turbos- $3600
Clutch and LWFW- $1400
Rods- $1000
supertech springs/retainers - $750
Inconel exhaust valves- $400-500
Inlets- $400
X-1 intake- $475
Bosch 044 drop-in fuel pump- $425

That's just about $10k right there and that is sorely incomplete, even missing some of the higher dollar items (downpipes, catback, 2.8 heads, motor/tranny mounts, wideband 02, fuel injectors, tune, all of the seals/bearings/bolts/pumps to replace while the engine is dismantled, short shifter, diverter valves and more). Also, that's not including any of the labor, which just for the regular KO4 swap is usually around $2000 (pull engine out, put on new turbos, and put back in). Other additional labor costs are for breaking down and disassembling the engine, hottank/clean/mic stuff and hone if you're replacing rings, balance the rotating assembly ($175-250), valve job and valves install ($600-700+), complete engine reassembly ($$), then bolting on the turbos/etc and reinstalling.

It all adds up for sure. I just don't want anyone to embark on this underestimating the cost (I'm way over budget.) On the other end of the spectrum, if you don't change a single seal or even touch the engine, you could do a base RS6 setup with an OTS tune for about the same as a new KO4 setup + ~$1000-1200 for the turbos + ~$100-200 for an inline fuel pump.

Most of the engine internals and a bunch of other components I got from 034 motorsport, or more specifically Issam on here (except for the rods, I got them from Pete at Integrated Engineering.) So if you need these parts, talk to those guys and they'll get you set up cause they were a pleasure to work with.

I've got some new goodies that I'm super stoked about, but haven't had time yet to take pics. I'll update soon

[Drinnen]

i heard ronnie/slowgolf is selling you some DV's?
you will like em. perfect style and performance

how much did those cost you? is his handle slowgolf on az? those dv's are sick.

[jibberjive]

how much did those cost you? is his handle slowgolf on az? those dv's are sick.

Look directly below his reply
They look even better in person

[Evilevo]

For the average consumer buying new and paying near retail, well north of $10k, and well north of $15k if you're including the built longblock and 2.8 heads.

Some new prices off the top of my head for some of the more expensive stuff
ER SMIC's- $1300-1400
RS6 turbos- $3600
Clutch and LWFW- $1400
Rods- $1000
supertech springs/retainers - $750
Inconel exhaust valves- $400-500
Inlets- $400
X-1 intake- $475
Bosch 044 drop-in fuel pump- $425

That's just about $10k right there and that is sorely incomplete, even missing some of the higher dollar items (downpipes, catback, 2.8 heads, motor/tranny mounts, wideband 02, fuel injectors, tune, all of the seals/bearings/bolts/pumps to replace while the engine is dismantled, short shifter, diverter valves and more). Also, that's not including any of the labor, which just for the regular KO4 swap is usually around $2000 (pull engine out, put on new turbos, and put back in). Other additional labor costs are for breaking down and disassembling the engine, hottank/clean/mic stuff and hone if you're replacing rings, balance the rotating assembly ($175-250), valve job and valves install ($600-700+), complete engine reassembly ($$), then bolting on the turbos/etc and reinstalling.

It all adds up for sure. I just don't want anyone to embark on this underestimating the cost (I'm way over budget.) On the other end of the spectrum, if you don't change a single seal or even touch the engine, you could do a base RS6 setup with an OTS tune for about the same as a new KO4 setup + ~$1000-1200 for the turbos + ~$100-200 for an inline fuel pump.

Most of the engine internals and a bunch of other components I got from 034 motorsport, or more specifically Issam on here (except for the rods, I got them from Pete at Integrated Engineering.) So if you need these parts, talk to those guys and they'll get you set up cause they were a pleasure to work with.

I've got some new goodies that I'm super stoked about, but haven't had time yet to take pics. I'll update soon

Agreed. It is ALOT of money. I am also over budget but at this point, so far in that you cant do anything about it.

BTW, from what i have found/been told, the stock intake valves dont like to be revved that high. IDK about you, but i plan to rev my car out to 8-8200. I just went ahead and got new intake valves too. But than again, i had 160k on all my motor parts, so it was also for Peace of Mind knowing all the parts going in are new.


Good luck on your build man, cant want to see the finished product!

[wdbdy2000s4]

I'd be worried about running stiffer springs on the stock intake valves...You're soo deep into this project you should just break down and spend the extra couple hundo so you can rev it out nice and high all day without any worries of a snapped valve. Although it's not really necessary to bump up your rev limiter that high with rs6s since they don't flow well at 8000. good luck with the build

[jibberjive]

You guys got me thinking...

[wdbdy2000s4]

after over $10k invested what the extra $500? Plus, if you ever want to upgrade to GTs you can hit 8400redline all day.

[jibberjive]

after over $10k invested what the extra $500? Plus, if you ever want to upgrade to GTs you can hit 8400redline all day.

That was my rationale with building the heads in the first place, I've just never heard of any issue with using the stock intake valves.

Did guru drop an intake or exhaust valve?

[wdbdy2000s4]

don't remember...I know he built the heads himself though.

[MarksB5]

I'm jealous of your setup to work on the car, look what I used on my previous engine pull

ouchh!! i hate that jack b.s
when i did my clutch

[diabolical1]

seems to be a well-thought-out, comprehensive - albeit expensive - build, but i like it. can't wait to see when it fires. good luck with it.

quick question: what's the deal with the 2.8 heads? just curious why those over the stock 2.7s.

[AMC]

seems to be a well-thought-out, comprehensive - albeit expensive - build, but i like it. can't wait to see when it fires. good luck with it.

quick question: what's the deal with the 2.8 heads? just curious why those over the stock 2.7s.

bigger, better air flow

[diabolical1]

i take it either:
(A) it's not common practice in the community to port 2.7 heads OR
(B) it's just cheaper to get 2.8 heads (which would be similar to porting 2.7s).

am i close? :)

[wdbdy2000s4]

2.8 heads flow better. There isn't that much room to work the 2.7 heads either

[A4 Meets 27t]

i take it either:
(A) it's not common practice in the community to port 2.7 heads OR
(B) it's just cheaper to get 2.8 heads (which would be similar to porting 2.7s).

am i close? :)

Yea you are, people then just port match the 2.8 heads. I'm gonna be doing that along with 2.8 cams since I had a 2.8 NA motor prior to my swap which are more aggressive than RS4 cams. You won't see a huge difference with cams unless you go with GTs. Also I the you have to weld shut a few coolant holes on the 2.8 heads as there are more than on the 2.7, I believe. Won't know for sure until I actually get around to that.

[jibberjive]

i take it either:
(A) it's not common practice in the community to port 2.7 heads OR
(B) it's just cheaper to get 2.8 heads (which would be similar to porting 2.7s).

am i close? :)

2.8 heads have a way bigger intake ports to start with and come with more aggressive cams (almost the same as the RS4 cams). Also, the 2.7 head castings have bigger coolant ports in them, so you can't work them as much as you could 2.8 heads, though people are for sure also running 2.7 heads ported.

[diabolical1]

thanks for the replies, guys. i have a better idea of what's going on now. i thought i had read somewhere that the 2.7s we got here shared the same heads with the 2.8s - which is clearly not the case. that's pretty much why i was somewhat baffled.

sorry to venture a bit off the focus of your build with this stuff. :) i'm good now though.

[silky]

awesome! great work and updates

[jibberjive]

BTW, from what i have found/been told, the stock intake valves dont like to be revved that high.

Just curious, who told you that? Cause I've never heard anything about the stock intake valves, and I've talked to quite a few people.

Also, my intake valves and heads have less than 60k on them

[GURUMAN]

Just curious, who told you that? Cause I've never heard anything about the stock intake valves, and I've talked to quite a few people.

Also, my intake valves and heads have less than 60k on them

Trust me, CHANGE THE VALVES to at least stainless.


If you want to keep the stock ones, dont put springs. This is riciepe for diaster.

And you change your lifters too.

You neen to put at least 2k in your heads if not keep the stockers, or take your 2.8 heads an swap everything from your S4's. I really think it's useless tho.

Too hard to say what went wrong in my setup, the 5 valves are broken on cyl #1

[Evilevo]

Just curious, who told you that? Cause I've never heard anything about the stock intake valves, and I've talked to quite a few people.

Also, my intake valves and heads have less than 60k on them

haha, from him ^^^^^^^^

But than again, i had 160k miles, so i wasnt putting stock back in anyway. My turbos came in and lets just say that no one is running them

[jibberjive]

So I got these in the other day and I must say I'm impressed with the quality of the machining, packaging, and overall presentation. These look incredible in person, and I can't wait to get them on the car. Looking into one of the holes I see that they came pre-lubed, so it seems eurojet cares about the functionality as well, not just the good looks BTW these are the eurojet "Kugel" DV's
http://www.eurojetracing.com/Product...0&Redirected=Y

[TweetsS4Estate]

I'm going to say it before anyone else does. Those look like grenades.. bad ass man post pictures when they are installed. When is the car going to be finished?

[Cobrakiller08]

Sweet Dv's Jibberjive!

[jibberjive]

I'm going to say it before anyone else does. Those look like grenades.. bad ass man post pictures when they are installed. When is the car going to be finished?

Already been said a little ways up And they're made to look like grenades. I'll be hitting the build up more seriously after about April 23rd, I just hope I can get most of the rest of the parts by then.

Sweet Dv's Jibberjive!

Thanks Chris. You're setup running yet? If not, what's the holdup?

[antoanS4]

do you finish the project

[jibberjive]

do you finish the project

Is that a question? Past or present tense?

I'm going to, but haven't yet.

[Cobrakiller08]

I have been swamped with work and this bad weather! I am almost ready to put the motor back in the car, every thing else is done. somethime next week it will be up and running.!! I may have one an altenator you can have, i have two of them sitting around one my be a a bocsh I need to check it out. I will let you know. Btw what did you do about your heads? did you call my friend?

[SlowGolf]

Lookin good. Glad you like em! Im happy to see another S4 running these!

[ThirdStrike]

Lookin good. Glad you like em! Im happy to see another S4 running these!

where are my cool boxes?!


and you guys need to reproduce the smic's that are on my car for the b5s4 ppls!