Build thread of Tiptronic GTRS, Running 100%

[vinny.dtw]

So after not having the car for two weeks, I'm finally going to get it back on Friday. Went to the shop to do some work, and it finally starts. Now the main problem is, the fitment of the USP bumper with the ER sport FMIC. Whoever said that it was a direct bolt on needs to recheck how they installed this thing. Me and my mechanic hacked the bumper, and the lower grille to death in order to finally get it to fit.

On to the main reason why it took so long for me to get the car back. Let me first say, Shawn (a4ringedONE8t) from 1552 has given me awesome support to me and my mechanic. He answered our questions promptly, and the customer service was great. However, what ended up taking me this long was the overall fitment of this kit. There were many things I / Stefan (my mechanic) really thought would cause some issues in the long run. As this car is my daily driver, I wanted to insure that EVERYTHING works out perfectly. Here is a list of the things that has caused the delays, and I feel needs to be addressed with the GTRS.

1. Turbo to test pipe gasket, is NOT included in the kit. If you plan on ordering this kit, please source this first.

2. Neuspeed turbo inlet pipe is the Samco pipe that really doesn't fit all that great behind the fan. It will rub onto the AC condenser line, and your headlight mount bracket. I'm afraid in time, it will rub through after miles of vibration.

3. Evolution Racewerks Sport FMIC does not fit behind the ultrasport bumper easily. Lots of modification and cutting was needed behind the grilles, and parts of the foglight brackets to clear the intercooler and the piping itself.

4. In terms of plumbing, there were numerous hoses that we felt had to be trimmed, extended, or all together have a different hose / clamps. Some T-bolt clamps were too small, such as the inlet pipe ones, and some hoses were too short. Or a coupler was missing from the power steering cooler. I'll get into the specifics when I actually take the pictures of them.

5. ATP manifold, which seems to be a common problem amongst the eliminator crowd. Tightening this manifold require excessive cursing, lots of alcohol, and a decent amount of time. They really should make a custom wrench, or bit for this manifold, as that would save people a lot of time.

So far thats all I can think about. Everything else was pretty straight forward. Ryan's BT turbo on a4mods certainly helped a lot on my end. You may think all of these problems are small and insignificant, but I am personally anal about things, and I believe if you are paying a large sum of money, it better be done right the first time.

Now onto the pics.

The GTRS.


The GTRS in!


FMIC on, without the power steering cooler.


What it looks like as of tonight at 7 p.m.



I'll give a more precise review of this with the tiptronic transmission, along with videos and dyno's on the B6. Few more mods, coming. i'll keep updating just this thread, rather then starting a different ones. I'm out, a little buzzed and the gf needs my attention.

[davidlizard]

nice and fast!!

[FLACO X3]

sweet im doing a GTRS Elim on my tiptronic as well. what size injectors does your tune call for? I got Tapp tuning with 630cc injectors.

[AudiA4Turbo22]

FINALLY!!!! video/review of how it drives or ban.

[yung turbo]

subscribed. after i see your results ill save and pull the trigger.

[vinny.dtw]

sweet im doing a GTRS Elim on my tiptronic as well. what size injectors does your tune call for? I got Tapp tuning with 630cc injectors.

I went with 550cc injectors.

[dougyfresh]

4. In terms of plumbing, there were numerous hoses that we felt had to be trimmed, extended, or all together have a different hose / clamps. Some T-bolt clamps were too small, such as the inlet pipe ones, and some hoses were too short. Or a coupler was missing from the power steering cooler. I'll get into the specifics when I actually take the pictures of them.

5. ATP manifold, which seems to be a common problem amongst the eliminator crowd. Tightening this manifold require excessive cursing, lots of alcohol, and a decent amount of time. They really should make a custom wrench, or bit for this manifold, as that would save people a lot of time.

Vinny, Glad to see it is together and operational. Continue to work out the bugs and then go enjoy it!

Did you guys bend a combination wrench like Greg and others have done for that manifold? I have been told it makes life 10x easier to install.

The general consensus I have noticed is that a lot of the stock lines are re-used and/or lengthened. The Eliminator kit does not include full lines for coolant and oil and other such items to the TIP. While I have not installed an Eliminator kit yet (in the next few months I will be) I do not think it could be that hard. I'm sure with the resources you guys have at your mechanic's shop you were able to piece things together with little difficulty (as opposed to someone in their driveway making multiple trips to ACE).


PS. While that photo of the turbo installed may not have been taken at 100% completion, your EVAP line is missing some hose clamps.

[jrau13]

Can't wait for some reviews on what you think. I would love to do this at some point.

[infinitigor]

Can't wait for some reviews on what you think. I would love to do this at some point.

+1, almost exact same route i want to take

[UhOhQuattro]

More!

[Turbo1A4]

are you still running your stock tranny?

[Papachristou]

my racetec fit perfectly.. zero trimming.. im glad i didnt get the er sport now.... i wonder how the comp fits behind a usp bumper then?

[RLB6]

Yes, you have to trim the lower part of your bumper, USP or not for the ER FMIC to fit. The racetecs and awe units do not require trimming because their cores are thinner BUT do not have the cooling capacity as the ER units.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

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Any reason you went with the GTRS and not the GT71r?

[vinny.dtw]

Vinny, Glad to see it is together and operational. Continue to work out the bugs and then go enjoy it!

Did you guys bend a combination wrench like Greg and others have done for that manifold? I have been told it makes life 10x easier to install.

The general consensus I have noticed is that a lot of the stock lines are re-used and/or lengthened. The Eliminator kit does not include full lines for coolant and oil and other such items to the TIP. While I have not installed an Eliminator kit yet (in the next few months I will be) I do not think it could be that hard. I'm sure with the resources you guys have at your mechanic's shop you were able to piece things together with little difficulty (as opposed to someone in their driveway making multiple trips to ACE).


PS. While that photo of the turbo installed may not have been taken at 100% completion, your EVAP line is missing some hose clamps.

Haha, i know, I was just taking a break. :P I didn't end up bending a wrench to tighten the bolts, but we did shave one and just did it very slowly. But yes, it was a lot easier to install it at his place, then in my garage. That would of been a nightmare.

The car is now home. Operational, no CEL, no leaks, and feels pretty interesting? I can't say I can phrase it properly, but the car is definetely a lot faster, however, it doesn't feel faster due to the lack of torque spike that I'm use to from the little K03. I actually haven't gotten on it yet. I've stayed below 15psi, on boost 7 and timing 5 (Sent by Shawn that way). And not entirely sure how long I should baby it. I asked several people and they say take it easy for at least 500 miles. hmmm... I need to figure out how to start logging to make sure it is running properly as well. But as of right now, all is good.

Exhaust is louder as well. There is more drone in the cabin, but nothing unbearable. I'll be taking videos most likely tonight, or this weekend after I get a few more miles on it.

Does anyone know more specifics about the break in period as well as logging, and what channels are required? Thanks.

Here are some pics.









Here is the list that has been done in terms of performance. GTRS Turbo / ER Testpipe / 550cc Injectors with adapters / ER Sport FMIC / ATP Manifold / Magnaflow Exhaust / Neuspeed,Samco Turbo Inlet Pipe / K&N Cone filter with Blinktek Heat Shield / Software is REVO's 440 Injector file.

[Howard Hughes]

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Any reason you went with the GTRS and not the GT71r?

Because it will hit soon in the RPM range... We don't have the benefit of reving much off the line...



And is the Revo file specific to the 550cc injectors.... or is this some SPS tweakery?

[dougyfresh]

Why baby it? Get on that gas pedal and run some logs to verify all is in check.

Fab up a heatshield for that intake. your filter is sucking hot air. I gotta do the same with my car.

Very nice Vinny!

[dirtybrd]

Both of ya'll beat me to it.

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Do you think the ER Sport will be enough to handle the GTRS? I thought going with the ER Competition was an automatic decision for anything over a K04.

I'm also surprised to hear about how much you had to hack up your USP. I know some cutting is insatiable, but still. You made it sound as if there was nothing left of your bumper. Did you replace the rebar?

[Molotov]

undo the tape holding that white clip on in the second picture of your latest post, looks dumb floating there haha. This makes me think back to when I did my gtrs and how fun/frustrating it was at times

[KPC1.8TQuat]

I just read your edited mod list in that last post...You have the exact parts list I'm going with except I want a GT71r and I'm skipping the test pipe and intake.

Same everything else i.e. magnaflow, 550cc, revo, etc...

All I need to know is if that ER sport will be enough to handle the GTRS...

[lookaught]

Why baby it? Get on that gas pedal and run some logs to verify all is in check.

Fab up a heatshield for that intake. your filter is sucking hot air. I gotta do the same with my car.

Very nice Vinny!

He said that he has a Blinktek heatshield, which should be sufficient.

There is one for sale in the classified now, I dont know if it'll fit your setep though. Its not hard to bend sheet metal anyway, I'd just make one myself like you suggested.

[dougyfresh]

He said that he has a Blinktek heatshield, which should be sufficient.

There is one for sale in the classified now, I dont know if it'll fit your setep though. Its not hard to bend sheet metal anyway, I'd just make one myself like you suggested.

I did not see that. Was posting from my phone. Good catch Jon!

[A4ringedONE8T]

Glad she is up and running, left my phone at home today, just got home and saw your missed call, sorry about that. If you need me again, give me a call, Ill be home all night and have my phone with me this time When I did my GTRS, the car did not feel much faster IMO (over the K04), not until you put it up against a car you know is faster will you realize what it can do!

For those asking about the ER Sport, for the average temps in the north, it will suffice for 90% of the year. In extreme heat/summer or anywhere in the south, it will heat soak time to time. The Comp is a better match for the GTRS but the Sport will definitely do the job as Vinny requested.

Dont worry about beating on the car, the worst things to happen will be any loose clamps or hoses will pop off, but really the GTRS/REVO setup is pretty much bulletproof, IE install and beat on it!

Thanks for mentioning me and glad everything is finally done! Dont hesitate to call my cell if you need anything or have any questions!

[FourRings80]

The Blinktek heatshield is sold...

Vinny, IIRC Greg posted somewhere that it's a good practice to:

'' It is important to torque the bolts after the initial install about 500 miles after they go through a good heat cycle session. We have found that when this is preformed 8 out of 10 times they don’t back out unless the car is placed under constant heavy boost at or above 25psi. ''

Also some Neuspeed TIP collapse under boost, David used a hose clamp to help it keep it's shape. Planning on keeping it there just in case.

Just two little heads up you might want to keep in mind.

Happy to see quite a few people getting their cars back and some going BT. Yeah man looking foward to see a few logs of yours so I can compare with mine when the time comes... Can't wait .

[vinny.dtw]

Semi update, I just took down a 335i from a 35mph role up to 100. I was about half a car length ahead.

Another problem arose, at full boost (23psi) I get a stutter like a misfire, and flashing CEL too? Hmmm, not good.

[Siggiepop]

^ interesting.... not sure if you've considered this but i think wintson makes a metal TIP for GTRS might be worth considering. Spark plug changed?

[RLB6]

Semi update, I just took down a 335i from a 35mph role up to 100. I was about half a car length ahead.

Another problem arose, at full boost (23psi) I get a stutter like a misfire, and flashing CEL too? Hmmm, not good.

How many pounds are you boosting too? You're missfiring at only 23 PSI. Weird. I start misfiring only when I hit 28-29 PSI.

[Molotov]

I was under the impression that the eliminators push mostly hot air at 28-29 psi

[A4ringedONE8T]

Vince 38 degrees is damn cold, I think you might have the wrong plugs at the wrong gap for those temps and the power level. I dont have much (any) experience with anything under 55-60 so Im not much help, sorry. You might also try your OEM plugs over the Hitachi bolt downs if the problems continue. R's have a stronger spark

And nice kill

[A4ringedONE8T]

I was under the impression that the eliminators push mostly hot air at 28-29 psi

They do, way out of their efficiency range

[vinny.dtw]

Vince 38 degrees is damn cold, I think you might have the wrong plugs at the wrong gap for those temps and the power level. I dont have much (any) experience with anything under 55-60 so Im not much help, sorry. You might also try your OEM plugs over the Hitachi bolt downs if the problems continue. R's have a stronger spark

And nice kill

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.

[Molotov]

hotter plug for colder weather, I was misfiring and went to 6E's...which is hotter than 7's

[A4ringedONE8T]

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.

If you have 40k miles + and havent done a filter yet, do it ASAP. For colder weather, you would want a slightly warmer plug or larger gap. Too cold of a plug or too small of a gap in a temp range outside what the plug was meant for can and will cause misfires. Flashing CEL = misfires obviously. If it was flashing your car doesnt like 1 of 3 things: plugs, coilpacks, or bad gas. Try a different stations 93 when you fill up than your current tank

7E is the cooler plug of the 2

[vinny.dtw]

Tried different gas station. I had mobile in this tank, and now im running sunocco 94. I'll do plugs next since i have the hitachi coils. thanks Shawn.

[9744RR]

Generally speaking, for colder weather, do you use a hotter or colder plug? and is bkr6e colder or bkr7e the colder plug? Maybe i do need to get the OEM coils just to try. But i'll do one at a time. Did some searches and it could possibly be my fuel filter? I replaced my fuel pump already, so it can't be that.

I've been using the "7e's" year round gapped at around .027-.028. I live in Rockland county and do alot of travelling to upstate NY and Connecticut and have had not had any problems with cold starts or misfiring with the plugs below 3000miles. Once the plugs are on for more than 3000 miles the car starts to misfire a little at high RPM's depending on the load. My SPS settings are at B8 T7 during the winter using only 93 oct.

[9744RR]

BTW, where did you get the 94 oct. Are you in Canada?

[KPC1.8TQuat]

Is this misfiring enough to make me shy away from going GT71r on my TIP?

[vinny.dtw]

Kurt, seriously, this is probably a miniscule problem. I have no doubt that itll be fine in a week after I change the plugs, and fuel filter. Its almost like you are afraid and finding excuse not to do it. Just man up and do it if and when you have the money. Whats with the K names, Kirk and Kurt, are both afraid to go BT on the tippy. I know I'm no innovator in this category, but I can tell you that the car feels damn good when you open it up. You would have never thought that your A4 can be that much more fun.

BTW, where did you get the 94 oct. Are you in Canada?

No i'm in Michigan. Sunocco is the only gas station that has 94 octane. Rest of them are only 93's.

[9744RR]

Is this misfiring enough to make me shy away from going GT71r on my TIP?

Just go for it already you won't regret it. For me, anything less that 250hp in a car that weighs almost 4000 pounds with driver, passengers and junk in hte trunk, high driveline friction because of quattro and tip tranny doesn't cut it nowadays especially with cheap high horsepower imports, minivans, and angry soccer moms on the road.

BTW, the family minivan with its 240+ hp used to walk the A4 when it was at stage 1+.