OEM K04 S4 vs. 700whp ASP GT28 3.0 S4 video

[generationjdm]

We also seen pjk04 cars make 500whp, so they make 25hp more then if you go by those comparisons.. Thats my point you cant look at numbers as all the dynos are diff, look at there mph

[AudiSportB5S4]

We also seen pjk04 cars make 500whp

who? must be marcs tune

[revhards4]

lmao! With Marcs tune you are gauranteeeeeed 500whp or more, lol

[S4rs6ss]

i wonder if he can milk 600whp out of full rs6 hybrids on a motor with rods

[ubermidget]

i wonder if he can milk 600whp out of full rs6 hybrids on a motor with rods

no....to even come close to 550whp you need built heads, full rs4 intake mani,fuel rail etc....rods of course, water meth....at that point you mine as well just go GT's for less money and make more power.

funny thing is thats comin from a guy puttin rs6's on my car

[Dr. Jekyll]

557 whp 550 wtrq

DAP's RS6 hybird (RS6 turbo with larger compressor wheel) dyno plot. vp109 and done in december. He's only got rods, valve springs/retainers, and a balance for engine work. IIRC he's doing 2.5ish FATs times on racegas in those temps.

And since dyno numbers are meaningless without a comparison, here are some other numbers from that same day



and a less fuzzy pic, but a blinding flash

[generationjdm]

All means nothing until the car gets put on the scales and runs a mph period, and still a lot of work and money for 50hp since weve seen 500whp pjk04s.. I no they willl never do 500whp but weve seen graphs also saying they can, thats why it means hardly anything without a run down the track

[ubermidget]

wow gladly proven wrong...hopefully next summer ill be up around those power levels, or more :)

[generationjdm]

Don't no how that proves anything seeings we've seen pjk04 cars make 500whp. Like I said means nothing until the cars make a run period. I dont care if someone posted a car making 800whp and showed a graph still means nothing...

[Dr. Jekyll]

No pjk04 cars making 500whp there. APR stage 3 making 385 on race gas and 2 epl stage 3's making ~400 whp on pump. Nothing too out of the ordinary there. Plus there are other cars in which to compare too.

Obviously you judge performance based on trap speed. That's fine, and I'm certainly not arguing that RS6's are better than GT's. I'm simply showing ubermidget that 550whp is attainable :-)

[BITRBO]

Damn, he dyno'd higher than 6 out of the 7 modded 996's, and the one that beat him had GT3071's

Stage III+ S4's FTMFW

[ubermidget]

that car isnt on k04 hybrids......there full rs6 turbos with a larger compressor wheel. fast car mid 2.5 fats times are very fast...i may be mistaken but i think marc's blue car was doing 2.4 fats.....i want to get my car around 2.8....2.7 range on meth

just got rs4 airbox & y pipe
running 60#'s
85mm maf
vast w/m
full rs6's
asp 3" dps
awe smic's
034 intake spacers
custom tune

also got
18x8.5 bbs black ch's
20% tint
couple extra goodies as well

[Clay @ Kinetic]

lmao! With Marcs tune you are gauranteeeeeed 500whp or more, lol

correction... 600whp or more

[Dr.Duct]

i find it funny how everyone is sitting here shitting on marc's ecu's, yet....... where are all of the other cars doing the same power levels, fats times, track times, etc.

Most people that post in here just e battle with non factual things.. Uber midget you really seem as if you went to a shop and was sold on a bunch of usually mods like rs4 intake mani, head, etc. They gain like 8whp.. Race. You dont really need rods with that set up.

Im sorry but i havent seen one person on here post negative results with the 10sec software.. Ive seen it in person.. Ive seen AWE get switched to 10sec, and road in before and after and their is a bigger difference on lower boost.. that says something..

[VastKo4S4WI]

i find it funny how everyone is sitting here shitting on marc's ecu's, yet....... where are all of the other cars doing the same power levels, fats times, track times, etc.

Im sorry but i havent seen one person on here post negative results with the 10sec software.. Ive seen it in person.. Ive seen AWE get switched to 10sec, and road in before and after and their is a bigger difference on lower boost.. that says something..

So, what is Marc's secret? Why have none his customers posted a "full" Ecu-X log? What is he doing that the other tuners have not done or won't do to create this Jaw-dropping file? Given the similarites on most PJ K04 setups where is all this power coming from??

[ubermidget]

im not doing rods.....and im not doing the rs4 intake mani etc....i got the rs4 components such as the y pipe and airbox for basically free from a friend. And no i wasnt swayed by any shop to do anything. I do things i personally feel will work. im building a setup to have fun with...not a race car. i still have full interior, nav, etc. dont mistake me for a nutswinger....i support the people with results and good work, not like the other 90% of AZ

[ubermidget]

btw if those rs4 components only gain 8whp on race then explain how jaybquicks car ran an 11.1 at 130 on pj's......those components must be making a difference b/c the average stage 3 isnt coming close to trapping 130 back to back on a full interior w/ shitty $99 tires

must be a fluke

[Clay @ Kinetic]

i find it funny how everyone is sitting here shitting on marc's ecu's, yet....... where are all of the other cars doing the same power levels, fats times, track times, etc.

Im sorry but i havent seen one person on here post negative results with the 10sec software.. Ive seen it in person.. Ive seen AWE get switched to 10sec, and road in before and after and their is a bigger difference on lower boost.. that says something..

Haha, I am am 100% certain that one tuners software has been copied and used or used/modified, that is coming from a third party that was asked and begged numerous times to teach a new "tuner" the ways of software and ECUs. You can only squeeze so much juice from an orange.

I also remember some time ago someone sold an AWE ECU to an individual, and when the individual went to upgrade his AWE software it turned out that it was not original AWE software, if you can find out who sold that ECU to the individual or where that ECU came from let us know.

I can say is EPL has some pretty good tunes, I guess thats why Justins car full weight 3850lbs, full interior, with 19" wheels and 14" brakes, ran something like 11.6@127 on an EPL tune.

[Clay @ Kinetic]

So, what is Marc's secret? Why have none his customers posted a "full" Ecu-X log? What is he doing that the other tuners have not done or won't do to create this Jaw-dropping file? Given the similarites on most PJ K04 setups where is all this power coming from??

LOL, read my post above and you'll know... or... maybe there we have just watched an amazing breakthrough in tuning technology on the part of the newcomer and we will be seeing K04 S4s into the 9s soon! Or not LOL

On a side note, many tuners may be involved in a bit of unethical software development. Even damos files used are generally attained from rogue bosch engineers so there you have it. If you don't know what a damos file is, google it.


This thread is amusing

[Dr.Duct]

btw if those rs4 components only gain 8whp on race then explain how jaybquicks car ran an 11.1 at 130 on pj's......those components must be making a difference b/c the average stage 3 isnt coming close to trapping 130 back to back on a full interior w/ shitty $99 tires

must be a fluke

lots and lots of tuning.. You show me any dyno results that show they make anymore the 10-15whp and ill gladly eat my words. The average STGIII car is ots programming and their is obviously a great gain to be custom tuned.

[Das General]

I also remember some time ago someone sold an AWE ECU to an individual, and when the individual went to upgrade his AWE software it turned out that it was not original AWE software, if you can find out who sold that ECU to the individual or where that ECU came from let us know.

hahah I remember that. Didn't he sell the entire car to him, stating it was full AWE?

[Dr.Duct]

LOL, read my post above and you'll know... or... maybe there we have just watched an amazing breakthrough in tuning technology on the part of the newcomer and we will be seeing K04 S4s into the 9s soon! Or not LOL

On a side note, many tuners may be involved in a bit of unethical software development. Even damos files used are generally attained from rogue bosch engineers so there you have it. If you don't know what a damos file is, google it.


This thread is amusing

is this thread about how a software was developed?? I dont think so.. You terd's can say what ever you want about the tune and weight reduction's.. I know for a fact its stronger and have experienced it first hand.. Jake's car was noticably faster without a doubt on less boost.. Keep in mind this is the car his wife daily drives and also the car that he puts his child into. no weight reduction, stock wheels, full exhaust. Not only was it faster then his old file, but his old file was also an AWE tweaked out file, not just OTS file..

Why dont you log seekers come up with any solid proof before you post up your babble. Im SOOOOO sick of gt guys and nut swingers who just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk but dont show proof, dont have solid running, non problematic cars. Yet im the troll??? Because I show results, I proove with time slips?? get real lol.

yes from a roll a gt car is faster.. No duh. but this is about from a stop.. Gt cars trap higher mph.. AWESOME, they still crossed the line slower which is all that matters at the end of the day.

[Das General]

Actually, GT car is faster from a dig. We just saw that...and that was against the EPIC, tune of all tunes.

[Daft]

is this thread about how a software was developed?? I dont think so.. You terd's can say what ever you want about the tune and weight reduction's.. I know for a fact its stronger and have experienced it first hand.. Jake's car was noticably faster without a doubt on less boost.. Keep in mind this is the car his wife daily drives and also the car that he puts his child into. no weight reduction, stock wheels, full exhaust. Not only was it faster then his old file, but his old file was also an AWE tweaked out file, not just OTS file..

Why dont you log seekers come up with any solid proof before you post up your babble. Im SOOOOO sick of gt guys and nut swingers who just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk but dont show proof, dont have solid running, non problematic cars. Yet im the troll??? Because I show results, I proove with time slips?? get real lol.

yes from a roll a gt car is faster.. No duh. but this is about from a stop.. Gt cars trap higher mph.. AWESOME, they still crossed the line slower which is all that matters at the end of the day.

Why do you find it necessary to start insulting people? The insults were gone until you stepped into the picture. Cool it.

[VastKo4S4WI]

is this thread about how a software was developed?? I dont think so.. You terd's can say what ever you want about the tune and weight reduction's.. I know for a fact its stronger and have experienced it first hand.. Jake's car was noticably faster without a doubt on less boost.. Keep in mind this is the car his wife daily drives and also the car that he puts his child into. no weight reduction, stock wheels, full exhaust. Not only was it faster then his old file, but his old file was also an AWE tweaked out file, not just OTS file..

The question is WHY is it "stronger or noticeably faster without a doubt"? what are fundamental the differences??? I believe the burden of proof falls on some one with Marc's software.

[Trojan® MAGNUM]

is this thread about how a software was developed?? I dont think so.. You terd's can say what ever you want about the tune and weight reduction's.. I know for a fact its stronger and have experienced it first hand.. Jake's car was noticably faster without a doubt on less boost.. Keep in mind this is the car his wife daily drives and also the car that he puts his child into. no weight reduction, stock wheels, full exhaust. Not only was it faster then his old file, but his old file was also an AWE tweaked out file, not just OTS file..

Why dont you log seekers come up with any solid proof before you post up your babble. Im SOOOOO sick of gt guys and nut swingers who just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk but dont show proof, dont have solid running, non problematic cars. Yet im the troll??? Because I show results, I proove with time slips?? get real lol.

yes from a roll a gt car is faster.. No duh. but this is about from a stop.. Gt cars trap higher mph.. AWESOME, they still crossed the line slower which is all that matters at the end of the day.

All right, how about a couple of overlaid graphs to show what we are looking at?
Red and Pink is BBB tune, Dark Blue is ASP custom tuned

Desire Boost


Timing Curve *look at the shape of the curve*


Timing correction, *note* Red & Pink log, timing were pulled 7.5D, if you put that 7.5d back in, it will be identical to Dark Blue


here comes the best part, *Engine Load Specific, and look at after 6k the taper, this is something Mark@asp does on his programming*

[2001S4NY]

The question is WHY is it "stronger or noticeably faster without a doubt"? what are fundamental the differences??? I believe the burden of proof falls on some one with Marc's software.

Which one Marc or Mark lol almost same name but 2 diff people :)

[Dr.Duct]

Actually, GT car is faster from a dig. We just saw that...and that was against the EPIC, tune of all tunes.

did you not see that he missed 2nd??

[2001S4NY]

in those 2 runs he missed 2nd? The GT car was out on him.. Maybe you have to watch those 2 videos.

[S4rs6ss]

he did not miss a gear you heard the back fire which means he shifted fine

[AMC]

martins car is faster no doubt about it. but i do want to see a 2.7GT s4 run Rob

[VastKo4S4WI]

Which one Marc or Mark lol almost same name but 2 diff people :)

Marc or 10secS4 or BBB.

[AMC]

marc and 10secS4 is the same guy. mark@ASP is another

[AudiA4_20T]

this is the funniest thread ever...

Basically, Marc's tune is better because he takes off the shelf tunes that HAVE to be detuned so they dont blow motors, and tweaks them to be less safe but more power.

I think 99% of people on here underestimate how much tuning matters.

/thread

[exorcet]

All right, how about a couple of overlaid graphs to show what we are looking at?
Red and Pink is BBB tune, Dark Blue is ASP custom tuned

the ASP 'custom' tune - whose car is that? Wonder what an ASP 'OTS' overlay looks like.

i though you (and everyone else) always screamed it was EPL code..

[dougyfresh]

this is the funniest thread ever...

Basically, Marc's tune is better because he takes off the shelf tunes that HAVE to be detuned so they dont blow motors, and tweaks them to be less safe but more power.

I think 99% of people on here underestimate how much tuning matters.

/thread

Then, how does he around the encryption for these OTS tunes to tweak the maps? Which brings back a previous point made in post #298

[Trojan® MAGNUM]

this is the funniest thread ever...

Basically, Marc's tune is better because he takes off the shelf tunes that HAVE to be detuned so they dont blow motors, and tweaks them to be less safe but more power.

I think 99% of people on here underestimate how much tuning matters.

/thread

well not entirely correct, afaik, timing was pulled 7.5d via lemmi since they are not sure how Marc's tune would react on 91octane

and I dont understand where you are coming from "Marc's tune is better because he takes off the shelf tunes that HAVE to be detuned so they dont blow motors, and tweaks them to be less safe but more power." and the car running Marc's tune is slower

other graph from the same log, i was told the car running Marc's tune has a MBC in there to cap the boost spike, not sure why he needed it if it was a good tune, on the other hand, blue line car is running Straight up N75.

[Trojan® MAGNUM]

the ASP 'custom' tune - whose car is that? Wonder what an ASP 'OTS' overlay looks like.

i though you (and everyone else) always screamed it was EPL code..

may be you got confused, the file that pulled off from another EPL car is running Revolver cams and it doesnt not work on any other stage 3 cars without the same cam..........guess what, someone moved on and obtain other tuners' file.

is that clear enough for you?

[exorcet]

Trojan any chance you have O2 voltage overlays for both setups?

[Trojan® MAGNUM]

Trojan any chance you have O2 voltage overlays for both setups?

sure, since the car running Marc's tune is under mbc parallel, they sort of cap the boost a bit like 1psi under or so *probably due to the TOONer not sure how it would react on straight up N75*, hence you would see the changes on narrow band but look at the curve, you tell me if it is identical or not