S5 vs 335i VIDEO

[Queens4Banger]

I hope this isn't a repost. Fifth Gear (British automotive program) takes the S5 around the track against a 335i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4PPnOju34

[Howard Hughes]

God that chick was annoying.... give me Clarkson...

[smithm5]

great clip..jsut watched teh show!

[allen@simplytire]

That sucks... how can a RWD car outhandle a Quattro?

[jcll2002]

"three three five"

thats annoying

[Johnnie]

That sucks... how can a RWD car outhandle a Quattro?

yeah... also i thought the s5 was lighter than the 335

[raulg_usa]

yeah... also i thought the s5 was lighter than the 335

BMW 335i: Unladen (EU) = 1600 (1615) Kg
Audi S5: Unladen (Directive 80/1268/EEC EU) = 1630 Kg

First: I hate that women, never liked her since her first appearance in the show.

Second: She was probably afraid to start from 0mph since she did the test runs from high speed. Nobody tells us she had the same speed when crossing the START line with both cars, I find that at least confusing. I know it's hard to match the mph from 2 cars at high speed at the same line, even when you have the cars side by side, what about when u don't?

Third: she said she can't really feel the S5, how can she drive it properly if she can't adjust to different cars?

[raulg_usa]

That sucks... how can a RWD car outhandle a Quattro?

She is a women.

Just kidding. She might be an excellent driver, but I just can't get over that rolling/high speed start. Probably she can't launch a quattro properly. And she IS a women.

[cabelooo]

bull fucking shit

[vinny.dtw]

different forum, different responses. Its just a little comparison duo. But I do agree that the girl wasn't driving it in equal conditions.

[A4_Mike]

I would like to see how that comparison would have turned out with Tiff Needell behind the wheel.

[J@RO]

I would like to see how that comparison would have turned out with Tiff Needell behind the wheel.

Indeed Sir.

[Militant-Grunt]

Well first of all guys, the 335i is underrated as fuck, they're not 300hp like BMW claims, its closer to 340hp. Then second of all, shes a better driver than all of us here, and has been driving for a very very long time, she can really handle a car. I'd take a 335i over a S5 anyday.

[Anthony]

yeah... also i thought the s5 was lighter than the 335

The AWD version of the 335 Coupe is indeed heavier than the S5. They compared the RWD version.

[Calabria]

Well first of all guys, the 335i is underrated as fuck, they're not 300hp like BMW claims, its closer to 340hp. Then second of all, shes a better driver than all of us here, and has been driving for a very very long time, she can really handle a car. I'd take a 335i over a S5 anyday.

335 + chip/exhaust/intake = 400+whp/400+wtq...

[Tinman]

the BMW is made to handle. the engine sits back behind the wheels and it lighter than the one in the Audi. Audi has always pushed their engines to the front of the car hanging over the wheels. This allows for more interior spacer for passengers, but is not the best thing for the handling of a car.

the main benefit of quattro is the safety to make mistakes and not be off the track. if you aren't careful with a RWD car, you'll push it too hard around a turn and spin it into the wall. in a quattro car, if you push it too hard, it'll plow. just let off the gas, the wheels will come back into control, and you can continue through.

it's not surprised that the 335 beat it.


L8

[KokujinTensai]

the BMW is made to handle. the engine sits back behind the wheels and it lighter than the one in the Audi. Audi has always pushed their engines to the front of the car hanging over the wheels. This allows for more interior spacer for passengers, but is not the best thing for the handling of a car.

the main benefit of quattro is the safety to make mistakes and not be off the track. if you aren't careful with a RWD car, you'll push it too hard around a turn and spin it into the wall. in a quattro car, if you push it too hard, it'll plow. just let off the gas, the wheels will come back into control, and you can continue through.

it's not surprised that the 335 beat it.


L8

Ummmm. The S5 has a new Modular Longitudinal Platform that places the engine and transmission further back behind the axle and helps stretch the wheelbase without lengthening the car's exterior dimensions. The engine mounting position over the front axle, in favor of the powertrain being located behind the front axle - in an effort to achieve a more even weight distribution (55/45) between the front and rear wheels.

So no its not like traditional Audis. Audi claims that all new models will favor this geometry

And in all the reviews i've read and videos i've seen, i have yet to see the 335 or any other car 'beat' it.

[hyethug000]

so handling wise you guys think its right to say that the bmw out handles the s5???

[enigma1406]

I don't trust Vicky's opinion or driving. I'd trust Tiff's though.

[EuroA4]

The AWD version of the 335 Coupe is indeed heavier than the S5. They compared the RWD version.

This is the biggest problem with this comparison...not to mention the rolling starts...

[KokujinTensai]

so handling wise you guys think its right to say that the bmw out handles the s5???

No.

I don't trust Vicky's opinion or driving. I'd trust Tiff's though.

Yes.

[raulg_usa]

so handling wise you guys think its right to say that the bmw out handles the s5???

I honestly don't think so.

[enigma1406]

This is obviously from the new season...does that mean this is also the episode with Tiff in the Veyron?!

[Queens4Banger]

This is obviously from the new season...does that mean this is also the episode with Tiff in the Veyron?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnAaKlWqTco

[AudiSportB5S4]

Well first of all guys, the 335i is underrated as fuck, they're not 300hp like BMW claims, its closer to 340hp. Then second of all, shes a better driver than all of us here, and has been driving for a very very long time, she can really handle a car. I'd take a 335i over a S5 anyday.

+1... i agree. although the S5 is nice, i miss having rear wheel drive sometimes. if the 335 becomes a big tuner hit which it probably will it will destroy all these cars they throw at it. i love my twin turbo s4 because i take a lot of cars as is now, b4 doing big turbos. turbos are the way to go lol. my m3 that i had b4 the s4 was a lot of fun, but the power band is so much different than in my S. the S5 has some really nice features though and audi always seems to be on top with the interiors so they can have that. but that WOMAN, not WOMEN only 1 was driving ! was an excellent driver, im sure fifth gear wouldnt of had her do the comparison if she wasnt she'd probably take every single one of us on a track lol. maybe except a few, dont freak out !

[German Driver]

That was about right I'd say... Unfortunate but right. I'd still pay than addition $5k for the refined interior however.

[SirDaft1]

Or.... with the Stig.

I would like to see how that comparison would have turned out with Tiff Needell behind the wheel.

[enigma1406]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnAaKlWqTco

Yea, I actually downloaded the episode from http://www.finalgear.com/

Awesome.

That was about right I'd say... Unfortunate but right. I'd still pay than addition $5k for the refined interior however.

That's 5000 pounds. More like $10k.

[4-tified]

That sucks... how can a RWD car outhandle a Quattro?

Well, it's a BMW, they are made to handle quite nicely and they do.
The A5/S5 is a higher priced beauty, that cost's a lot for it's performance.
In the US the S5 will be quite a bit higher priced than the 335i, so the 335i wins yet again.
And, if you want to mod the 335i will be MUCH easier to extract power from.

You guys sound angry about the S5's loss on the track to the 335i, and you take it out on her.
She did very actually.
If you watch the video closely the S5 takes the corners quite solidly and you can see grip is quite nice as the car never seems to look like it's about to lose it. The 335i swings it's tail quite wildly and I can't believe that her fastest time was done in that manner.
Skidding rear ends and spinning tires don't make for fast forward thrust.
She looks like a competent driver, but maybe she lacks a bit in how to extract the best our of an AWD setup?

[quattrorally]

now make the track wet and the 335 will wet it's pants trying to keep up

[Germanfanatic]

I agree the speed at cross/finish line might not be the same , but 335i is still a better handling car than the S5. 335i might be slower, but don't forget, it's been compared to 'S' car and not an A4. It might be slower, but it's is very close to an S5.

It is sad for Audi that the regular 3 series is as good and even better in some areas than the S5. S cars are made to compete with M’s and not regular 3 series, but the S5 will be no match for the new E92 M3.

So you have this 335i which cost thousands less than the S5, but gives you the similar performance (better in some areas) and will have a better retail value than the Audi after 3 years.

I saw and sat in the the S5 and yes it has a better interior than the BMW but looks wise, I gotta go with 335i. It's agressive and mean.

[4-tified]

I agree the speed at cross/finish line might not be the same , but 335i is still a better handling car than the S5. 335i might be slower, but don't forget, it's been compared to 'S' car and not an A4. It might be slower, but it's is very close to an S5.

It is sad for Audi that the regular 3 series is as good and even better in some areas than the S5. S cars are made to compete with M’s and not regular 3 series, but the S5 will be no match for the new E92 M3.

So you have this 335i which cost thousands less than the S5, but gives you the similar performance (better in some areas) and will have a better retail value than the Audi after 3 years.

I saw and sat in the the S5 and yes it has a better interior than the BMW but looks wise, I gotta go with 335i. It's agressive and mean.

I agree with some things you say. But, "S" cars are NOT to compete with "M" cars. RS is the label you want when taking on an M.
The problem with Audi is that they price their "S" cars much too high for the level of performance they give. Audi seriously needs to reconsider this.
For me, there is no need for an "S" and then an "RS".
The "S" should simply be a higher performance package for the base car it's based on. That way the "RS" is something really special.
The S4 is simply an A4 S-line package with a V8 engine. The S4 gets the nice sport seats that the Euro S-line gets.
So, for the added cost of the S4, you're getting a V8 and some suspension mods. Really, it shouldn't cost as much as it does.

By keeping the "S" cars a higher performance package, Audi wouldn't have to go so high in their RS pricing. They could compete better with the M cars and AMG's in their price to performance groups.

[enigma1406]

I agree with some things you say. But, "S" cars are NOT to compete with "M" cars. RS is the label you want when taking on an M.
The problem with Audi is that they price their "S" cars much too high for the level of performance they give. Audi seriously needs to reconsider this.
For me, there is no need for an "S" and then an "RS".
The "S" should simply be a higher performance package for the base car it's based on. That way the "RS" is something really special.
The S4 is simply an A4 S-line package with a V8 engine. The S4 gets the nice sport seats that the Euro S-line gets.
So, for the added cost of the S4, you're getting a V8 and some suspension mods. Really, it shouldn't cost as much as it does.

By keeping the "S" cars a higher performance package, Audi wouldn't have to go so high in their RS pricing. They could compete better with the M cars and AMG's in their price to performance groups.

For the most part I agree. The RS cars aren't too expensive though.

[raulg_usa]

For the most part I agree. The RS cars aren't too expensive though.

For the last review/test I found with the S5 it was compared to the new M3. Of course the S5 lost, the M3 has 420 hp, built to eat tracks, the S5 is more like a cruiser that looks good and drives good but not as good as the M3. My point is though about the price. It is in Euros, the test was done by a German magazine, they got their S5 at 55,000 and the (new) M3 at 71,000 (of course, with options, base price there is 66,000 euros). That is anywhere from 10k-15k cheaper!

So, the S5 is still priced fairly compared to competition. US S5 start at $50k, the M3 will be around $65k, the 335i starts at 40k. So the S5 is in the middle, that's were I also see the car as a total of track performance/interior/exterior/regular driving quality/etc ...

[KokujinTensai]

Heres something to chew on... the A5/S5 is the first coupe in a decade for Audi. I think they did an outstanding job with the car. No offense guys but you really really have to drive the car in an actual 'audi test ride' to appreciate it. Yes the BMW 3 whatever is a nice car, of course they are. They better be.

The S5 is really amazing. And! Guess what they're gonna only get better. I predict the next generation hands BMW's ass to them. I hope the RS5 redefines the luxo sport coupe. They may have got the 'heavyweight of the world' title back with the V8 M3. The S4's been whipping the M's ass for 10 years now but we'll get the title back with the next iteration Audi GmbH cars

[Germanfanatic]

If you ask me, I don't think they have done an outstanding job. Knowing your competition, they should have done better. An "S' badge car which competes with regular 3 series doesn't qualify for an outstanding job even though it is their 1st coupe in 10 years.

BMW knows how to do it right. This is their 1st turbo motor in 20 years and it is a screamer. Like someone said, it is underated as fuck. 335i is as good as the outgoing E46 M3. That tells you a lot of it's capabilities.

If you bring something back to the market after a long time, you just don't do an O.K job and depend on the next generation to beat the competition.

Another example of BMW... look at the 135i which is supposed to bring back the iconic 2002 memories... that's going to one hell of a car.

I'm glad BMW doesn't do like Mercedes and looks like Audi is doing the same thing... just putting a big motor and some minor suspension and cosmetic changes and slapping a AMG and S badge and calls it a high performance car.

Audi had to bring out the RS4 to beat the M3. Sure the S4's are faster than the M3's but M3 makes up in handling/braking/cornering and steering feel. It is most refined car out there and there's no doubt about it. Sure the new M3's can't be compared with the REAL E30 M3. E30 M3 was born on the race track and it's mission was to win championships and beat it's competition which it did very well... taking more than 1500 victories and still holds the record...

Anyway, my point is Audi should have done a lot better than what they have done here.

I totally agree with 4-tified, the "S" cars need to up their performance to match the M's as the RS are too expensive.

[gabi_s4]

if tif was driving, the audi would have done it faster :)

[QuaTTrings]

The 335 is good value in the area of price vs handling/performance. It's still a half second slower than the S5 to 60mph in this test and although it holds it's value well, it won't be quite as good as this S5. I've already seen discounts on the 335 at my local dealership. I will say that I do think it is a good looking car but the S5 is much more disctinctive with it's more Aston-like proportions. The S5 is so much a better all-around car comparatively speaking. Fully optioned the 335 can come in close to 50k. For the same price (50k) you can get an S5 that is safer, arguably more reliable, will hold its value better, looks better and is better built. Just one look at the body panel gaps is evidence of that. Sit inside and compare components and there is even more evidence. Look at Audi's S5 braking system next to the 335s comparatively inexpensive setup. No wonder the S5 stops far better than the 335. I'm not sure how you think the 335 is more aggressive than the S5 but looks are subjective. I passed on the 335 many months ago to wait for the S5 and I'm 100% glad that I did.

Did anyone see the new M3 vs the S5 on Autobild? Verdict was that the S5 won the test. Yes it was subjective and a lot had to do with price but it tells you that the S5 can hold it's own against the famous M3 also. Just wait BMW lovers when Audi releases the RS5 and new RS4...

I agree the speed at cross/finish line might not be the same , but 335i is still a better handling car than the S5. 335i might be slower, but don't forget, it's been compared to 'S' car and not an A4. It might be slower, but it's is very close to an S5.

It is sad for Audi that the regular 3 series is as good and even better in some areas than the S5. S cars are made to compete with M’s and not regular 3 series, but the S5 will be no match for the new E92 M3.

So you have this 335i which cost thousands less than the S5, but gives you the similar performance (better in some areas) and will have a better retail value than the Audi after 3 years.

I saw and sat in the the S5 and yes it has a better interior than the BMW but looks wise, I gotta go with 335i. It's agressive and mean.

[Vuel Egham]

The 335 is a better motor, no question. 335i + Vishnu software + PROced exhaust = 340whp and 400wtq.

BUT, the S5 is a competitor for the M3. Too bad a lightly modded 335i will outrun the new M3. ;)

[QuaTTrings]

Better motor? I don't think so. If you are talking about the cost vs. tuning ability sure. It is cheap to buy a chip and exhaust for the 335 but then you run into problems getting the power to the ground since the 335 doesn't even have a LSD. One wheel burnouts aren't for me, I'll take Quattro. It will cost more to supercharge the FSI V8 but in stock form it has greater torque and sounds great. This is my plan for the FSI V8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVIIWJPpc2A It won't exactly have the power output of the RS4 but 500bhp should be realistic, and no way that 335 will sound this mean...

The 335 is a better motor, no question. 335i + Vishnu software + PROced exhaust = 340whp and 400wtq.

BUT, the S5 is a competitor for the M3. Too bad a lightly modded 335i will outrun the new M3. ;)